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Posted By Spadecaller 11 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentFeaturing art and paintings by Rembrandt, Rubens, Hirschberger, and Spadecaller, this music video entitled, “Unholy Union” dramatizes the fusion of religion and government as it was expressed during Hitler’s Third Reich.
Other than the paintings presented in this video, all the other artwork is derived from actual photographs of Hitler, the holocaust, the church, and clergy. Those who attempt to revise history and to pretend that Hitler was an atheist are not just mistaken, they have failed to extract one of the most valuable lessons from this horrific period of history; the marriage of church and state provided the Nazis a method to exploit and manipulate a nation to carry out unconscionable crimes against humanity.
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." As a boy, Hitler attended Church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude prevalent in his religious education. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.
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To deny Hitler’s perception of Christianity and its influential role on the Nazi empire is a grave mistake. Without this awareness, one must ignore the source of German anti-Semitism and how the motives to commit atrocities were kindled by Hitler's exploitation of religion.
What are the dangers of fusing religion and government? Our nation has been suffering with these same issues especially during this last decade. This issue should be looked at carefully in light of the dark history that stems from the meshing of church and state.
Eleven years after it was first promised, the Vatican issued a document on the role of the Catholic Church during the holocaust that left many observers wondering why it had taken so long.
The church called for an act of repentance on behalf of those individual Catholics who wronged Jews during the period, either by collaborating with the Nazis or by staying silent. But the document neither raised nor answered the question of whether the Catholic Church itself, as an institution, did anything wrong.
There are great benefits for the nation that keeps religion and government separate. The tragic past should be enough to convince anyone that religion should remain a private affair -- one that should remain separate from political power and influence.-
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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What sparked my interest in putting this video together was Greenmac's recent story, "U.S. group wants religion pulled from Obama's inauguration ceremony."
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Greenmac led the dialogue off with: "I don't see any need for religion to be part of the ceremony. Religion and politics are two separate things. Why the USA brings religion into the equation when choosing a leader is beyond me. In Canada we say who cares. If a candidate runs in the USA I guess they can just join a religion to promote an image.... I believe this happens a lot as seen by the actions of those that are elected and claim to be a person of faith. So maybe all religions and beliefs should be represented on the stage.... then equality will be shown."
Which was soon followed by the fascists and fundamentalists on Propeller who think they are qualified to determine what religion and faith should be representative of our nation, in addition to insults against the Canadian government. What a group!
I need not identify those who insist they know what is best for the rest of us. Their usual prefabricated comments surely followed:
"This country was started by Christians as the early settlers and the creators of the Constitution were almost all Christians."
Just in case you want to read those that would be the first to support the rise of the fourth Reich:
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icono111 months ago
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For what it is worth; Hitler, and to a degree Stalin, understood that 'religion' controlled the masses not political ideology.
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So Hitler 'had God on his side' which he later leveraged into a state mandated pathological hate of Jews and 'the others' like Gypsies, homosexuals, intellectuals and etc, while Stalin used 'religion and family' whenever necessary to keep the young Bolsheviks and the largely 'traditional values' non-communist population under control. -
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Well Spade, this has to be your ultimate hypocrisy. Have you stopped advocating "if it is my tribe, it can't be wrong" racism and are now willing to apply your platitudes to your own tribe? Are you now ready to join with honorable American jews who support American democracy? If not, perhaps you should go live in your country of first loyalty and stop trying to dupe americans.
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The American Council for Judaism
Religion and Nationalism: A Dangerous Mix Throughout History
...It is past time for American Jews to make it clear to those who speak in their name that religion and nationalism must be separated, and that Judaism is a religion of universal values dedicated to God and not to the interests of any state, including Israel. Our American experience of religious freedom and separation of church and state should be instructive. Whenever religion and the interests of a sovereign state are mingled and confused, religion is the loser. And by placing a religious imprint upon policies which may be unjust and counterproductive, the state involved may be the loser as well.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Well Spade, you ought to at least get your history right before posting such things. The basis of Hitler's "christianity" was the Reichschurch, a Protestant group excised from amongst the various protestant churches in Germany and directly sponsored by the Nazis. It was never a majority even amongst protestants. Probably because of this effort by the Nazis, a majority of protestant christians voted in favor of Hitler, whereas the German Catholic church and catholic voters opposed Hitler. Being transnational, the catholic church was less subject to "nationalistic" propaganda.
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Frankly we should now demand similar "recantations" from Israelis and from other jews worldwide who have supported similar abominations in Palestine in the name of the jewish religion. Some jews have made a start on this.
Welcome to Righteous Jews.
RighteousJews.org was begun in 2003 as a way to commemorate the memory of those Palestinians who have been, and continue to be depopulated, dispossessed, humiliated, tortured, and murdered in the name of political Zionism and its quest to create a Jewish state in the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. From its founding in 1897 the Zionist endeavors to "pump in" Jews and "pump out" Palestinians from this land have been the root cause of bloodshed and conflict. These racist endeavors have also been deeply problematic for those who believe in the basic tenets of Judaism of the prophets, namely justice and a duty to heal the world. RighteousJews.org was created to honor those who consider themselves to be Jewish and who have worked for the human rights of non-Jewish Palestinians.
RighteousJews.org was inspired by the website of the most famous Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem, located on Mt. Herzl on the lands of the Palestinian village of Ein Karem 1,400 meters south of the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin....
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Endoscopy11 months ago
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Here you go again. Tying Hitler to Christianity. I demonstrated to you before that Hitler was not a Christian. He publicly said things like he was but to the close people in the Nazi party he told them he was not. He was into spiritualism. You ignore that evidence in order to defame Christians and Christianity by your reprehensible attacks.
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Your hate of Christians sticks out all over. You try to turn the words of the constitution from what they say to what YOU WANT them to say. You must be a bitter old man to keep doing this attack over and over again.
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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Thanks engineer.
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I have heard enough of the revisionists, neocons, and fundamentalists here on Propeller attempting to rewrite history to suit their own selfish and shortsighted agendas. It's about time that the obvious facts are put out there for everyone to consider.
Obama would be smart to drop the invocation with Pastor Rick Warren altogether and opt for a nonsectarian moment of silence. What can be said about a moment of silence? Some jerk will find something... but the bottom line is that we have had enough division because the lines of separation between church and state have been sullied and blurred by religious zealots who should have no place in the governing of our nation. -
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Well engineer., you have not yet shown yourself willing to own up to the role of religion and nationalism in the zionist abomination, so you have little credibility. Are you now willing to condemn the role of religion in zionist crimes against humanity?
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Top Israeli rabbis advocate genocide
Yesterday I wrote a piece entitled "Israel's House of Horrors" about the openly murderous statements of Israeli cabinet ministers. Just when I thought it couldn't get worse, I read a news article on the website of The Jerusalem Post that Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu -- one of the most senior theocrats in the Jewish State "ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings" ("Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza," The Jerusalem Post, 30 May, 2007).
The Jerusalem Post reported that Mordechai made this ruling in a letter to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert citing biblical authority. The letter was published in a weekly journal distributed in synagogues throughout Israel. ...
... This kind of genocidal hatred of Palestinians is not unusual in Israel. What used to be unusual was for it to be spoken so brazenly and openly. Of course we know what would happen if a Muslim or Palestinian religious figure made such a statement. We know the international outcry when Iran's President Ahmadinejad made statements calling for the elimination of Israel. Will all those EU officials who curried favor by condemning Ahmedinejad take an equally strong and public stance against Israel's former chief rabbi? Will they demand that Olmert publicly repudiate the letter he received?
A Muslim making such statements about Jews would certainly be banished from traveling to the United States, and could end up in Guantanamo for much less.
Under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide adopted in the wake of the Nazi holocaust, "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide" is a punishable act. One wonders whether the UN Security Council, which created an international tribunal to investigate the killing of one man in Lebanon, will pay any attention to the indiscriminate state- and theocratically-sanctioned massacres of Palestinians by Israel....
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6987.shtml
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alakazam11 months ago
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Apparently that's true.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee
"He admits, though, that the thugs had certain group-specific superstitions and rituals"
Oh yeah, God is the most used excuse.
That way no one has to provide any reasons other than "God said so!"
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not2needy11 months ago
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Thanks SC.
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You know? I have never understood the hatred of any group of people based on religion, race or political party. My brain just doesn't compute that.
There are things in this world i hate. Bigotry, discrimination, torture, things like that! But human beings? For their beliefs, or lack thereof? Their race? Their choice of political party? I can't comprehend the mind set it takes to have such strong adverse/negative emotions against my fellow human beings.-
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Endoscopy11 months ago
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I agree but you like to agree with Spadecaller when he attacks Christianity with lies. Hitler was into spiritualism not Christianity. Spadecaller knows this because I gave him references quite a while back. Therefore Spadecaller has hatred of Christians for some reason.
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chevydog11 months ago
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Nice music Spade. I really don't know where you find all of the visuals, but they never cease to amaze me.
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On the subject that most people seem to be addressing-- I kind of think that most politicians, especially if they're trying to pull off things that they know the public may not feel secure with, seek validation. On this forum, we get vaildation from Thomas Jefferson, Ronald Reagan, Albert Einstein, whoever. And what better validation to get than that of God? Hitler, who was a master manipulator of people if nothing else, understood this well. And in the end, priests, ministers, and bishops, are only people. They may have a far greater feel for theology than we do; but they're subject to the same pressures, lapses of judgement, and human frailities that we are.
The world has long wondered how Germany, who after all isn't historically that much different than its European neighbors, could produce a Hitler. I'm certainly not wise enough to know--I kind of wonder whether anyone is. While I couldn't seriously propose forgetting what was done under him, I'm not sure we do ourselves any favors by trying to draw parallels with any current developments.
In the early 1960's, the Mitchell Trio did a humorous song called the "I Was Not a Nazi Polka". In a humorous way, it poked some fun at the Germans who were trying to figure out the same thing themselves. -
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months ago
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Well put together spadecaller. The idea of religion and state intermingling was abominable in the eyes of the founders of this nation and that is a fact. It is very "un-American" to suggest otherwise. From time to time we must be reminded that fascism in reality, is a union of State, Corporate, and indeed religious power. This is well represented in your video.
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ameliog11 months ago
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The words were hard to follow - is there an English version available? ;)
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Where do you find all these pictures? I'm just always impressed how you can stitch them all together to tell stories and impart messages. Good topic. Thanks SC-
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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ameliog:
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Growing up in a culturally diverse community in New York, where often I would run into parents of friends who did not speak the English has certainly helped me. I learned at a young age to find ways to communicate with people who did not speak English or who were just learning to speak English. My mother and father often laughed when I would find a way of conveying or discerning the meaning from a person who spoke a language that I did not know.
I was once hospitalized and had an Italian roommate who had just arrived in the country. The nurses assumed I spoke Italian, because we found through various gestures ways to converse. The nurses would come in and ask me to tell my roommate this or that. My wife, who teaches Italian and Spanish and speaks it fluently could not stop laughing. "How come they all think you speak Italian." Beats me!
As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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slate11 months ago
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Dionys11 months ago
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"If there were no religion and everyone on the planet were Atheists does anyone think that the same problem would disappear"
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No. The problem wouldn't disappear if everyone were atheists.
The problem isn't with Religion, faith or spirituality. The problem is human nature. People just use religion or faith to cover or justify their human actions. Proof in the pudding is China under Mao where millions died, were slaughtered and where Maoists did such horrific things as murdering and eating babies. -
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smithichie11 months ago
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South Park examined the issue you raise with a couple of episodes in which the world was populated by 3 groups of atheists, each fighting one another over what name atheists should go by.
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I tend to agree, if the world were populated by atheists we would find other reasons to fight than religious ones.
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slate11 months ago
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Well from what I see in humans is they need ‘something’ to believe in that they can fight about even kill/go to war about.
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Like the two kingdoms in Gulliver’s Travels that were at war over which end you crack an egg on.
Interestingly enough, the atheists here seem to think they are above it all, with the name calling and such. However, in my opinion I’d hazard to guess that if they were around in great enough numbers and had the power and resources they would be having their own blood baths going as they forced their will of No God on the planet. In fact, it’s happened 100% of the times that atheists ruled countries.
If every human on the planet did not believe in a God/Gods/Spirituality and only in ‘science’ we would still be warring but most likely over some scientific theory or any number of ‘human’ conditions that no amount of science can make man feel, such as the want of dominance, envy, racism and so forth. -
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memestryker11 months ago
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Indoctrinating people with ancient dogma that teaches them they are right and others are wrong about various imagined supernatural entities is not a good long-term strategy, though. I think we have a better chance with honesty and reality. Even if we disagree, I think the truth is a better choice with better potential for a more sustainable positive outcome.
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greenmac11 months ago
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I see it this way Slate .... If all the world were one....denomination... whether it be Jewish..Catholic or atheist I believe we would have a more peaceful existence. Would it eliminate all conflict...no... as power..territory and money are are catalysts for conflict as well
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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I am not advocating anyone from abandoning their personal beliefs in religion; nor do I consider myself an atheist. And I do believe in the rights of individuals to practice their religions or their beliefs in atheism as it pertains to their personal lives. That does not mean, the government is the place to express their parochial ideologies.
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Will this stop war? Probably not; but it will certainly help unite us in the common effort for peace without as much bickering over differences that only impede cooperation among us.
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greenmac11 months ago
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I am a big fan of OBama... I think he is just what the world needs today. Now this issue of having religion as part of the ceremony leaves me wondering whether or not it is politically motivated. Has the tainting of his image by those that called him a Muslim...or maybe the actions of his old minister motivated him to peruse this. If it is just his strong beliefs that lead to this then ...for him and many others it is right.... for me I don't agree... but...it still does not taint his image in my eyes... I can look beyond this. I still believe religion and politics are two separate entities that should be held apart.
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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Sharing differences in forums, where respect and common purpose is cherished more than the unresolved bias and ideological differences can provide an avenue of hope that can transcend stubborn feuds and senseless bickering. The question remains; is isolation, harsh judgment, and the politics of division fostering constructive change in this country? I think not.
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Our nation and world is in peril and we have a new leader facing overwhelming odds and dangerous enemies; hope and support for his triumph during these treacherous times will require unprecedented support. Is Barack Obama a leader who can demonstrate by example that interaction with even our most bitter rivals can bring new opportunities for change -- change that we can all believe in? Are Americans too entrenched in their parochial fears and beliefs to allow this new opportunity to unfold?
Though Obama appears to have chosen his path regarding his selection of Pastor Rick Warren, I still believe that our nation will benefit from keeping religion and government separate. Hopefully, this message may get through at some point.-
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alakazam11 months ago
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They have to be kept separate...otherwise you would have people talking about "God given rights of kings" and all the rest of that nonsense.
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Whatever else America was intended to be...it was founded upon the idea of strong moral order.
It is said that Jefferson cut out all the parts in a New Testament about Jesus. He left out all the "miracle" parts and posted them in a new book. I see this as a test of sorts. I think he wanted to see if the moral compass found in "real" Christianity could stand on it's own.
I agree Spadecaller we should put our differences about who and what God may or may not be behind us.
It was never intended that America be ruled by any religious doctrine other than to have the strength of accepting all religions for the better good of all.
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gamahuche11 months ago
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Thanks for the heads-up, SC!
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I've got a work marathon on right now and can't hang out but as someone born in a Nazi-occupied land, with enough Jewish blood to be in perpetual danger I have lived the story and opinions are secondary..
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Will131311 months ago
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Good one Spadecaller .. you are very talented....
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I know it came up yesterday or the day before.. that Hitler was an Atheist....even thou his own writings and speaches would seem to indicate otherwise....
however there is no disputing the FACT....
that Christianity was the religion of the majority of the people that participated in the systematic extermination of MILLIONS OF JEWS... not just during the holocost.. the Spanish Inquisition... also comes to mind....
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Dionys11 months ago
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"all thru history men have butchered one another IN THE NAME OF GOD."
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All through history, people have butchered one another for various reasons, sometimes masking what we know is basic human behaviour in religious ideology.
How many have been butchered IN THE NAME OF LAND!
or IN THE NAME OF MONEY!
or IN THE NAME OF MATERIAL GOODS!
or IN THE NAME OF ANGER?
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Natureboy11 months ago
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Good one, Spadecaller.
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Wherever you see fascism, you will see the religious orthodoxy supporting it.
The reason, I think, is that fascism transparently benefits the rich and the corporations at the expense of everyone else, and the only way to get a sufficient number of working class people to back fascism is to dupe them with the irrationality of organized religion. In return, organized religion gets the support of the state, and can make belief compulsory.
Hitler had both protestant and catholic churches behind him. Mussolini had the support of the Catholic Church. The apartheid South Africans developed an apartheid theology from the Dutch Reformed Church.
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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Interesting how you describe each nation followed by a religion and then you refer, "of course," to Israel having it Zionism. Zionism is not a religion. I have never seen a term more abused, misrepresented, and incorrectly defined.
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Nevertheless, glad you enjoyed the video.
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icono111 months ago
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Good one Spade.
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This made me think of the following.
Friedrich Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil
Chapter 3 'The Religious Mood'
paragraph 51;
The mightiest men have hitherto always bowed reverently before the saint, as the enigma of self-subjugation and utter voluntary privation-why did they thus bow? They divined in him-and as it were behind the questionableness of his frail and wretched appearance- the superior force which wished to test itself by such a subjugation; the strength of will in which they recognized their own strength and love of power, and knew how to honor it; they honored something in themself when they honoured the saint. ........
Chapter 4; Apophthegms and Interludes
Line 67;
Love to one only is a barbarity, for it is exercised at the expense of all others. Love to God also.
IMHO: The facade of Christianity will be used by OBama, as it has by other politicians in the past and will be in the future, to show tolerance and unity when in reality it is nothing more than a shallow and devious political ploy.
Also I agree with the posters above in that religion should be kept out of politics and politics should be kept out of religion. Which, as we know, does not happen to the degree it should.
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Sageparadox11 months ago
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Come on now. If that wasnt a desperate attempt to reach out and ask for help, I dont know what is. It has been atleast 2 months since the election and you would think the medical community would have some kind of medication from these poor people suffering from Obamaphobia.
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memestryker11 months ago
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automan909, let's hope you are wrong. Obama seems to be learning as he goes, and his platform today is light years from where it was even six months ago. He may just open his eyes about more issues. If we keep pushing our ideas out there, they might take hold.
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Eagle_Eye11 months ago
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laugh my azz off!!!!!! automan is a sock puppet.........only pulled out to make insulting comments.
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BTW, another great production Spade, i love how you come up with these wonderful and thoughtful videos
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CrazyDiamond11 months ago
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WOW, that was really nicly done, what a great artist you are and you do really wonderful videos. What a nice contribution your making to the world while imortalizing your work, that's really cool.
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The world is a really Crazy place full of Crazy people doing Crazy things!!! I fit right in here at Propeller, there are a lot of Crazy people here, but there are a lot of really good people here to. -
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xddy4ux11 months ago
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We HAVE "Separation of Church and State", and we are trying to bring into Law something that Hitler would have placed that person or persons before a firing squad for suggesting such, "SAME SEX MARRIAGE". If Hitler was so terrible, why did Russia, the United States, France and Great Britain had a falling out right after Hitler was defeated? It was over who was going to get the Scientific Studies, and Doctors from the Concentration camps. The US of A got most of them, and that (p)issed Stalin off, and the two countries never were friends afterward. We also got most of the
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Technology on Jet Engines and Missiles. When you go into an operating room, remember all the operating procedures are the procedures that came out of Hitler's concentration Labs. This Country is the last to talk about what Hitler done. A black soldier would have been lynched if he had refused to give Hitler's POW soldiers their seat on the train. Right now, who are the most despised in this Country? The Jews and the Blacks, the same races that Hitler despised. All this is under the separation of Church and State. Things can't be any IMMORAL, so combine the two, maybe decency will have a chance. -
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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"Things can't be any IMMORAL, so combine the two, maybe decency will have a chance."
After deciphering that sick comment and reading your praises for Hitler,and the contributions made by the Nazis who used Jews and other people like guinea pigs, I can only be grateful that the world is not infested with people like you. Of all people to be preaching about morality, a Nazi!
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