Effects of Israel's New Weapon: Photos from Gaza »
Posted By dissent 10 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsDoctors said that, unlike traditional combat injuries, there was no large shrapnel found in the bodies and there appeared to be a "dusting" on damaged internal organs.
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dissent10 months, 3 weeks ago
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when we bombard each other with words it's easy to insensitively neglect and callously forget what happens when bombs meet human flesh.
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we and israel possess some of the most advanced and sophisticated technology capable of doing the most primitive and brutal damage.
pictures tell a story far more bluntly than any number of words or however clever a prosaic turn of phrase may be. it's no surprise journalists are today banned from gaza while the massacre continues to unfold
remind yourself of the reality of what is really going on today. see for yourself just some of what today's weapons from one of the most advanced military forces in the world are capable of.... even.... as..... we...... speak
and reassess the validity of your own moral position on this crisis or any other such conflicts we, as a nation and as individuals, are either directly involved with or indirectly complicit in.-

Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> ...reassess the validity of your own moral position on this crisis or any other such conflicts we, as a nation and as individuals, are either directly involved with or indirectly complicit in.
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Oh yes, yes, validity of moral positions, sure. Did you assess YOUR "moral positions" in order to realize that the ONLY way to stop violence is to stop those willing the violence to continue? -

Mutainia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Amazing how Muhammadans can ONLY see explosions caused by non-Muhammadans, NOT those caused by fellow Muhammadans. Why is that? I mean, you try to get a Muhammadan to see that this was started by missiles and rockets being shot from territory that was traded for peace, and, it doesn't even register. It's truly amazing.
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Would a collection of pictures of Jewish victims be any less compelling? Would it make a difference if they were the first casualties caused by unsolicited attacks by Hamas? Can you imagine what would be happening to Israel if Hamas had the weapons Israel has? But, I guess for some... Jewish lives are not important to consider in this picture:
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kobzikov10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Would a collection of pictures of Jewish victims be any less compelling?"
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Are you saying that the new weaponry has been used on Israelis? If so I'd like some evidence of that and yes, pictures will do. Or is this simply an attempt to change topic?
"Would it make a difference if they were the first casualties caused by unsolicited attacks by Hamas?"
Again are you saying that Hamas is also using the DIME munitions or is this another red herring?
"Can you imagine what would be happening to Israel if Hamas had the weapons Israel has?"
No, and neither can you, since until that is the case all you have is speculation. Either way, two wrongs do not make a right, and using a hypothetical crime to defend actual and ongoing crimes is if nothing else rather absurd.
"But, I guess for some... Jewish lives are not important to consider in this picture"
Are you speaking here for someone other then yourself? If so, who and when have they agreed for you to speak for them?
What concerns your little piece of propaganda, then can you explain why it doesn't mention that following election of Hamas Israel imposed a crippling blockade on Gaza, which is in itself an act of war? Or refused to engage in dialog with any Palestinian unity government formed after election of Hamas? Will you regale us with stories of how conducive that was for peace for which Israel so ardently strives? -

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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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If Hamas had the ability to do so, it would already have wiped out Israel. Israel is doing what it thinks it must to prevent this. Hamas is a symptom of something very destructive. They do not have the Palestinian people in mind when they perpetrate attacks that have caused them to be unwelcome even in other Arab countries or when they mix military targets in with civilians. The really dark side of this is they were elected by the Palestinians, who probably did so out of ignorance and desperation.
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altnrg10 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is always sad and shocking to see these kind of pictures and to know that many people suffer BUT in order to solve this bloodshed we must understand what is the source of this violence in order to eliminate it.
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From http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2...
"...intent in this war no longer matters. Every Hamas unguided rocket is launched in hopes of hitting an Israeli home and killing men, women and children. Every guided Israeli air-launched missile is targeted at Hamas operatives, who deliberately work in the closest vicinity to women and children."-

Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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I can only say that as long as the Palestinians in Gaza support their leaders who are willing the violence to continue it will continue and no amount of complaints will change this simple truth...
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Only when the vast majority of the Palestinian PEOPLE will decide that they've had enough they will force their leaders to stop violence and ask for peace negotiations. Only then peace will become possible. -

kobzikov10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"BUT in order to solve this bloodshed we must understand what is the source of this violence in order to eliminate it."
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It seems that source of violence on Israeli side are rockets launched by Hamas and source of violence on Palestinian side are Israeli air raids. Now that we understand that, are we ready to solve the bloodshed?
Concerning the quote that you cited,
The statement is self-contradictory. If intent no longer matters. Then IT DOESN'T MATTER what Hamas hopes for when it launches its rockets and at the same time it also DOESN'T MATTER if Israel hopes to avoid civilian casualties or that Hamas will offer a ceasefire if Israel kills enough of its members or enough Palestinian civilians. When someone states that "intent no longer matters", it implies that we are to look only at the facts, not at hopes.
What concerns Hamas deliberately working in close vicinity to women and children, then considering that Hamas has become the sole provider of majority of services in Gaza since Israel barred all UN humanitarian access to Gaza, then it seems somewhat disingenuous to blame Hamas for that when that is a direct result of Israeli policy. Not to mention, that is essentially what Hamas did even before they were elected. If you want Palestinians to get welfare from other sources then I suggest getting them access to Gaza.
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Ciera-Marie10 months, 3 weeks ago
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My first thought upon seeing the effects of the weapon were did we help Israel make it? Or did we sell it to Israel? Followed by are we using similar or same weapon?
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If Hamas had this weapon and used it against Israel, is a very good question. One that needs answering as we are Israel's biggest Ally (US). Would we come to their aid military at a time when ours is stretched thing? Would it be via Air Force bombing Hamas and Palestinians off the map? In which case would we then be in WWIII?
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DrMoon10 months, 3 weeks ago
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First off there is no actual proof that any such DIME weapon exists outside of a laboratory. Chances are the bodies of the dead and children have been staged inside a Palestinian hospital or morgue. The barbaric Palestinians will go to any lengths including maiming and murdering their own so as to blame Israel and the US of having a weapon like this. These wounds could even be from a fire instaed of a bomb that killed Arab children and families. The Arabs know how gullible the Western Media and people are so they are experts at making up lies that will be broadcast all over the World.
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Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The Arabs know how gullible the Western Media and people are so they are experts at making up lies that will be broadcast all over the World."
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Actually, most recent news stories from the Western media point out the lies and propaganda concerning the IDF and Israel's release of video. Such as the recent propaganda being spread about their "super-accurate weaponry." -

dissent10 months, 3 weeks ago
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if you look under each picture you will see its source. dime was developed by the us air force and designed for attacks in densely populated areas..... such as the palestinian territories. it doesn't take much reseach to clear up much of your skepticism
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here is an article from the israeli newspaper, haaretz, on italian television investigating the story.
"The Italian reporters sent samples of the particles found in wounds of injured in the Gaza Strip to a laboratory at the University of Parma. Dr. Carmela Vaccaio said that in analyzing the samples, she found "a very high concentration of carbon and the presence of unusual materials," such as copper, aluminum and tungsten. Dr. Vaccaio says these findings "could be in line with the hypothesis" that the weapon in question is DIME.
The report says that the weapon is not banned by international law, especially since it has not been officially tested.
It is believed that the weapon is highly carcinogenic and harmful to the environment.
The non-governmental organization Physicians for Human Rights has written to Defense Minister Amir Peretz requesting explanations for the aforementioned injuries to Palestinians. Amos Gilad, a senior adviser to the minister, is supposed to meet with the group on the matter in the near future."
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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DrMoon, I hate to agree with you, but it's all theater, and Hamas knows this. In fact, they scream about the women and children killed by the West while hiding militants and weapons among them. It's all about framing, as people in the West like Karl Rove and George Soros both know firsthand.
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This is a bait-and-switch--to focus attention on the weapons and off the terrorism.
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dpanzerman10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I applaud Israel for having the courage to outshine the whiners, and the do nothings! Terrorism, (Hamas IS a Terrorist organization) knows no boarders, and it does not care about any victims it makes, they exist only to kill, and further their "Cause".
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It takes great courage to stand up in the face of this. You can only tell someone to do something "(stop sending rockets into my country)" before something must be done. Israel is no more brutal than the United States, Britain, or any Terrorist group out there. Images like this are heartbreaking, however, while the people are in some ways victims, in others they are not, same with Iraqi's, Iranians, Afghanis, and North Koreans. The question is raised, that if this is not how you as a people feel, why do you not stand in open revolt of a government that is leading you down a path of destruction? War is Hell. Deal with it. Signed...a Combat Vet.-

dissent10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Terrorism, (Hamas IS a Terrorist organization) knows no boarders, and it does not care about any victims it makes, they exist only to kill, and further their "Cause"."
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look at these photographs, read about the weapon used, and explain how israel has cared for them and other civilian casualties, and just how this does not constitute terrorism, or more specifically, state terrorism.
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some are fooled by the propaganda war waged by terrorists, their sympathizers, and those that think they are justified in condemning Israel for retaliating against aggression from Hamas.
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Hamas gunmen hide in hospitals and mosques purposely using innocent civilians so when they become victims, they make sure the photos get out to the world. They know they will sacrifice innocent Palestinians by stockpiling weapons in mosques and hospitals. A sad and miserable tactic; one that Israelis have never used.
Many naive western armchair liberals are suckers for this kind of propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHbihJImGo
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edwels61010 months, 3 weeks ago
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Israel will always be at war, its mostly their own fault. They are trying to do to the Palestinians what the U.S. did to the American Indians. Unfortunatly this will never work because their are way too many crazy/tough Arabs/muslims, and Israel has very little might compared to a first world country. Its a shame, innocents dying on both sides.
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wvblondechick10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Israel has every right to retaliate after rockets hit inside their country. Hamas started it. Let Israel end it. The Arabs are not always the victims. Believe it or not...they can be the ones in the wrong--the ones who actually cause the harm to others. Why does the world have to always side with the Arabs when it comes to Gaza? The Jews have a right to live without fear of rockets, suicide bombers and other attacks.
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Let Israel squash Hamas. It is about time someone dealt with these damned terrorist groups. Let's move on to Hezbollah next. Terrorist groups serve no good cause in this world except to bring sorrow and pain to all.-

Ratskii10 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you want to go way back, wvblonde, google Deir Yassin. Yes, in 1948 and after, the Israeli militias frequently engaged in terrorist acts.
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But that aside, war will continue as long as the use of violence continues. Israel's use of violence is unquestionably far more effective than that of Hamas. I guess there are basically two kinds of people in the world: 1) Those that believe the use of more and better violence (even genocide) is the key to solving conflicts. 2) Those that believe we have to give the other side of the conflict reason to want to stop.
And no, killing more of your opposition isn't an effective method of giving your opposition reason for wanting to stop. Didn't work on the Jewish people (or any others) during the 1930s and 1940s. Why do you think it will work on the Palestinians? -

Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Hamas started it. "
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June 19 - A truce begins between Hamas and Israel. It calls for Hamas to stop cross-border rocket fire and for Israel to gradually ease its embargo on Gaza. Aug 2 - Factional fighting kills three Hamas policemen and six pro-Fatah gunmen in the Gaza Strip in the worst fighting since June 2007.
November 5 - Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel after Israeli forces kill six Palestinian militants in an eruption of violence that has disrupted the four-month-old truce.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUKTRE4BS1...
Guess what? Hamas didn't break the truce until AFTER Israeli forces crossed into Gaza to kill Palestinians.
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wvblondechick10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Did you know the original Palestinians were JEWS not arabs? Hmmm....wonder why the arabs chose to call themselves Palestinians---sympathy???
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Oh, one cannot make the comments about an Israeli killing other Israelis and the Prime Minister when Americans kill Americans and have even assassinated presidents....
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Natureboy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Did you know the original Palestinians were JEWS not arabs? Hmmm..."
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Actually, an alternative spelling of Palestine would be Philistine. Both Jews and Philistines came to the area with the crumbling of the Egyptian rule in the area. Jews were NOT the original inhabitants of the area, hence the rich old testament accounts of the Jews laying waste to various other tribes.
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Edmar1410 months, 3 weeks ago
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How would you like to be a shish k bob standing in Sderot while the rockets fall on the city. Want first hand experience in Hamas' "rain" of rockets whose only purpose is to kill civilians? I will gladly pay for your airfare and all expenses if you will go to Sderot and stand in the streets while the rockets from Gaza fall. Or are you just a spout off your mouth coward? It's easy to sit back in the safety of your house 6000 miles away and condemn something which you yourself haven't experienced. Nothing like wanna be generals.
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truthiness10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Palestinians receive most of their support through Egypt and Jordan, who in turn receive most of their support from the United States (2006 Egypt $1.7 billion, Jordan $461 million, Palestine $150 million) . Israel, of course, receives most of its support directly from the United States (2006 $2.5 billion). We are funding both sides of this conflict. It is within our power to end it.
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bonjourola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wrong.
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Get some facts
1. Egypt hates hamas...they came out of a islamic terror group that is anti-Egypt government.
2. Hamas = Iran, Hezbolla = Syria and Iran (now)
3. Jordan hates Hamas
4. ****ie terrorists in Iraq = Iran
5. Sunni terrorists, Al Queda = Saudi
But intelligent, well educated, moderate peace loving arab countries like Jordan, Egypt, and many gulf states live in fear of Iran and Hamas. Hamas is a group of savage killers.
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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dissent:
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Your rhetoric is polarizing and demonizing. (How many times do you reference you comments with "cattle to the slaughter.")
What kind of rhetoric would you like to use in describing innocent civilian Jews who were recently killed by terrorist missiles launched by Hams terrorists?
How would you describe their deaths? Would you use the words like "exterminate" Jews in Israel?
You can fool some people with your propaganda, but I know that it lacks a fair perspective. The violent deaths of Israelis and Palestinians are equally important; more so to their loved ones they have left behind. The blame game that you have chosen to play will not work with those of us who can see past it.
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THOMNH6210 months, 3 weeks ago
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I just hope we stay the hell out of this one, I know everyone will argue that we are already in it by providing weapons to Isreal but we need to just stay out of this one. Let France help they have taken such a hard line on the violence, don't you love the French. By condemning both sides the in effect have already surrendered.
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lobo12114810 months, 3 weeks ago
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The new weapon is doing what it was designed to do, limiting the casualties from shrapnel which can go far beyond the intended target. But since Hamas has such callous disregard for their "people" they put their weapon depots and fighting positions in heavily civilian areas. Strategically they have no other choice, with Israel holding the air superiority. It's also a blatant and condemnable action to put your fighters in areas, KNOWING full well the Israeli's will get the blame for killing innocents which is unavoidable under the circumstances. Hamas is like the kid that starts the fight, then holds his little brother in front of him, knowing he'll get punched, and HOPING you'll look like the bad guy! They rather see their people die, than stop lobbing rockets into Israel, doing little damage other than killing a few unlucky civilians. The people need to re-think their allegiance and go back to supporting the more moderate PLO.
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canadianrancher5710 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have see pictures of the concentration camps were millions of Jewish people were killed and it caused me much pain, I saw pictures of the dead in Rawanda and it cause me pain, I saw pictures of mass graves in Serbia and this too cause me pain, and now with a ground war on in Gaza I know that many innocent people will die. I use the word innocent because even if a person supports a group or belongs to a religion or a race if they cannot defend themselves they are the innocent. Even in my lifetime I have heard the saying that we must never let this happen again a couple of times and yet when it does mankind stands by waiting because we cannot ever be as evil as others. on the news only a few moments ago they said of the leaflets that were dropped telling people to leave and in the very next sentance they said that all crossings were closed and reporters were not being allowed in. As I sit here I wonder if no one else can feel inside of them what I feel. I do not care if soldiers or terrorists die but I hope that if there is a God he takes care of all of the innocent whenever or were ever things like this happen.
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dissent10 months, 3 weeks ago
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i hear you cr57.
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i saw the leaflet thing too telling them to leave because they were about to be hit. one palestinian man was asked if he was going. he said he wasn't. he said nobody was leaving. i thought it was going to be an act of defiance, but then in the next breath he said nobody was going because they had nowhere to go to, nowhere to hide. the scene behind him was already a war zone of shattered and leveled buildings
when the bombs are falling people don't say things like that for propaganda purposes because there's a camera in their face for the next few seconds. they say it because they mean it.
but i won't use the phrase "fish in a barrel" or "cattle to the slaughter" lest i offend spadecaller
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toyzinmyattik10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Look....Isreal handed the Gaza area back to the Palestinians in a totally peaceful manner with hopes the move would allow for better diplomatic relations. The Palestinians in Gaza decided to place Terrorists in charge to do their bidding in their name. I sympathize with the civilian population and my heart5 aches for those injured or killed. But what were they thinking when they allowed these people to make such decisions for them? During the six-month cease fire, thousands of shells were launched from Gaza into Isreal terratory. For the most part, the Isrealies held their tongue and maintained a fair amount of decorum. But once the cease fire expired, the leaders of the people of Gaza decided it was a green light to escalate. "And fire will rain down from the skies". Duck or head for the sea.
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bonjourola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hamas, the Iranian backed terror group must be destroyed.
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The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist - whether they are Hamas = Hezbolla = Al Queda. They murder arabs, jews and christians. They attack Israel, London, Madrid, Bali, their own people. Radical Islam must be destroyed by any means possible. Ony the Western nations, United States and Israel try to limit casualties to civilains. Radical Islamic terrorists target them. Hamas attacked Israel as did Hezbolla.
They dont care about their own civilian population, the dont care that their cities are destroyed or that the causalities are 300:1 militant fighter vs Israeli soldier. They invite death and destruction to all of us. We must all join together to destroy them.-

Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"They murder arabs, jews and christians. "
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And Christians murder Arabs (and Jews murder Arabs). Ask the citizens of Iraq about that.
Or ask why the Israelis crossed into Gaza to murder six Palestinians in violation of the truce for which the response was the rockets into Israel.
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bonjourola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hamas, the Iranian backed terror group must be destroyed.
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The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist - whether they are Hamas = Hezbolla = Al Queda. They murder arabs, jews and christians. They attack Israel, London, Madrid, Bali, their own people. Radical Islam must be destroyed by any means possible. Ony the Western nations, United States and Israel try to limit casualties to civilains. Radical Islamic terrorists target them. Hamas attacked Israel as did Hezbolla.
They dont care about their own civilian population, the dont care that their cities are destroyed or that the causalities are 300:1 militant fighter vs Israeli soldier. They invite death and destruction to all of us. We must all join together to destroy them. To reach world peace, we must destroy them.
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Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"They dont care about their own civilian population, the dont care that their cities are destroyed or that the causalities are 300:1 militant fighter vs Israeli soldier."
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You're projecting. Obviously YOU don't care when 25 innocent Palestinians die for every one innocent Israeli. The fact that you take obvious joy in death is frankly quite alarming, though. But then I guess that's typical from someone who lives in a culture steeped in death, murder and violence like the US.
"To reach world peace, we must destroy them."
Words like that must sit like old vomit in your mouth.
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frctm510 months, 3 weeks ago
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There is reason to be sympathetic to the innocents killed on both sides of this conflict. This conflict has gone way beyond who started what or who did what to whom. Israel has been heavy handed in their responses to Palestinian violence, but the surrounding Arab states inflame the internal violence between Israel and the Palestinians by their support of Palestinian extremist groups within Israel and their threats to destroy Israel. No one among the gulf states has thrown down the welcome mat to the Palestinians because their cause is useful as pawn for outrage against Israel and the west. Meanwhile, we in America tend to give Israel a blank check and blanket approval for their actions. Their culture is more European and more similar to ours so we identify with them more. However, Israel has been very abusive towards the Palestinians. You can find video footage of Israeli soldier breaking the arms of Palestinians with rocks. Palestinians live in deplorable conditions.
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The problem with this conflict is that both sides have taken on this mythology that they alone are the victims and the other side is the perpetrator when neither claim is true. Whats more is this is a regional problem involving outside agitators who have no interest in seeing this conflict resolved. Regional diplomacy is the key as well as a sincere effort by our own country to help broker a peace deal from a position that is less biased.-

most_reasonable10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"No one among the gulf states has thrown down the welcome mat to the Palestinians because their cause is useful as pawn for outrage against Israel and the west."
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Prior to the first Gulf war a number of Palestinians were invited to Kuwait where jobs awaited them. Upon the invasion by Saddam, they turned into a fifth column and helped attack the Kuwaitis. After the overthrow of Saddam. the Kuwaitis showed their displeasure for this betrayal.
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