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Posted By Mutainia 11 months, 3 weeks ago in ReligionTerror through the eyes of former Hamas member and son of its founding member. He rejects Islam and becomes a Christian when he studies both the Qur'an and Bible, making it so he has to go into hiding in America to protect his new life.
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earthlingerer11 months, 3 weeks ago
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So now that the guy is a christian, he's worth listening to? He goes to a christian church, now gets lots of attention, and can actually stand in front of large crowds of worshipers and tell them the truth about the holy land... maybe about how his people have been there for thousands of years?
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"I know people who support Hamas but they never got involved in terrorist attacks, for example ... They follow Hamas because they love God"
"I love my people. They have the right to live like any other nation on Earth. But at the same time, I want to help them [get] on the right track."
Mosab Hassan Yousef .
He could probably mention that before israel was invented, more than 1/3 of the population was christian... of course christians haven't fared so well under israeli rule, either.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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How many Christian Palestinians shoot rockets and missiles willy nilly into Israeli neighborhoods like the Muhammadan ones do? If they do, do they hide their rockets and weapons in their homes and churches LIKE the Muhammadan ones do also?
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Ah my! More zionist propaganda form Fox News. What else is new? It is particularly noteworthy that we never heard one word from the "supposed" former Hamas member, but only "opinions" from talking heads. We have no way of knowing whether the "young man" in the pictures is even who they claim. Keep in mind that because you see a video, it does NOT mean that it has any credibility.
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Footage of 9/11 Celebrations An Israeli Fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuvscDkrs3U
Here is a report froma western journalist that was in Gaza only days ago.
We must adjust our distorted image of Hamas
Gaza is a secular society where people listen to pop music, watch TV and many women walk the streets unveiled
Last week I was in Gaza. While I was there I met a group of 20 or so police officers who were undergoing a course in conflict management. They were eager to know whether foreigners felt safer since Hamas had taken over the Government? Indeed we did, we told them. Without doubt the past 18 months had seen a comparative calm on the streets of Gaza; no gunmen on the streets, no more kidnappings. They smiled with great pride and waved us goodbye. ... Less than a week later all of these men were dead, killed by an Israeli rocket at a graduation ceremony. Were they “dangerous Hamas militant gunmen”? No, they were unarmed police officers, public servants killed not in a “militant training camp” but in the same police station in the middle of Gaza City that had been used by the British, the Israelis and Fatah during their periods of rule there....
Who or what is Hamas, the movement that Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defence Minister, would like to wipe out as though it were a virus? Why did it win the Palestinian elections and why does it allow rockets to be fired into Israel? The story of Hamas over the past three years reveals how the Israeli, US and UK governments' misunderstanding of this Islamist movement has led us to the brutal and desperate situation that we are in now....
Palestinians did not vote for Hamas because it was dedicated to the destruction of the state of Israel or because it had been responsible for waves of suicide bombings that had killed Israeli citizens. They voted for Hamas because they thought that Fatah, the party of the rejected Government, had failed them. Despite renouncing violence and recognising the state of Israel Fatah had not achieved a Palestinian state. It is crucial to know this to understand the supposed rejectionist position of Hamas. It won't recognise Israel or renounce the right to resist until it is sure of the world's commitment to a just solution to the Palestinian issue.-
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The political leadership of Hamas is probably the most highly qualified in the world. Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals - doctors, dentists, scientists and engineers. Most of its leadership have been educated in our universities and harbour no ideological hatred towards the West. It is a grievance-based movement, dedicated to addressing the injustice done to its people. It has consistently offered a ten-year ceasefire to give breathing space to resolve a conflict that has continued for more than 60 years.
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The Bush-Blair response to the Hamas victory in 2006 is the key to today's horror. Instead of accepting the democratically elected Government, they funded an attempt to remove it by force; training and arming groups of Fatah fighters to unseat Hamas militarily and impose a new, unelected government on the Palestinians. Further, 45 Hamas MPs are still being held in Israeli jails.
Six months ago the Israeli Government agreed to an Egyptian- brokered ceasefire with Hamas. In return for a ceasefire, Israel agreed to open the crossing points and allow a free flow of essential supplies in and out of Gaza. The rocket barrages ended but the crossings never fully opened, and the people of Gaza began to starve. This crippling embargo was no reward for peace.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/03/we-must-...-
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually I don't read Hyperbola's posts much anymore. He's as much of an extremist as you are and about as believable. Though he does tend to support his claims with actual links and published articles rather than the assertion that what he says is true simply because he says it.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Actually I don't read Hyperbola's posts much anymore."
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Mut: Finally understanding that it's always "Israel and America-- bad, Muslims and Palestinians-- victims". Gee, I came to that conclusion from him in his first paragraph, I think. I could ONLY continue reading such taqqiya IF I was a Muhammadan, I'm thinking. Or, one who greatly hated Israel and America for other reasons.
"He's as much of an extremist as you are and about as believable."
Mut: What have I presented that's not believable? Do you think this latest is NOT the son of a Hamas founder, or, not?
"Though he does tend to support his claims with actual links and published articles"
Mut: Published articles by Muhammadans? Well, you'd have to agree with them. Which is it? You seem confused. IS he about as believable as you feel I am (which, apparently, is zero), or, do you feel he "tends to supprt his claims with actual links and published articles". Again, be more clear, or, are you afraid you'll show that you agree with me?
"rather than the assertion that what he says is true simply because he says it."
Mut: So, again, AM I as believable as Mr. hyperebola, or, did you just get caught al-taqqiya-ing us all again? Which is it?
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MRCOFFEECAKE11 months, 3 weeks ago
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So why don't these "geniuses" take a true leadership role and put forth good
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proposals instead of calling for the demolition of Israel and continuing on a never ending bloody impass?? Aren't they smart enough to do that??
I don't believe any of them anymore because with each act of violence they are both victimized..
So, where's the genius leadership?
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most_reasonable11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I wonder if they are also ignoring this:
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Hamas 'planned to murder Abbas'
Tensions between Fatah and Hamas have soared in recent months
The Palestinian Fatah faction has accused the ruling Hamas movement of plotting to kill Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and other officials.
A Fatah spokesman said tunnels laden with explosives believed to be aimed at senior Fatah members have been unearthed in Gaza.
He said the party believes they were dug by the militant group Hamas.
The group dismissed the claims, saying the tunnels were intended to defend against Israeli incursions.
This comes amid an ongoing power struggle between the two rival factions in Gaza.
At least 30 people have been killed in fighting between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza in recent weeks.
'Malignant intentions'
Fatah spokesman Abdel Hakim Awad said about five tunnels had been discovered over the past few days.
Mr Awad said some of the tunnels started underneath mosques and one ran under the home of a senior Fatah man in the Jabaliya refugee camp.
Another was found underneath a road used by Fatah leader and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
"Because of the gravity of this action, which we think represents malignant and premeditated intentions to assassinate leaders and symbols of Fatah and the authority, including President Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas]... we in Fatah hold Hamas completely responsible for any such action," Mr Awad was quoted by the Associated Press news agency as saying.
Hamas dismissed the allegations, denying there was any conspiracy planned.
A Hamas spokesman suggested that Fatah was deliberately manoeuvring to further sour the atmosphere in Gaza.
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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And soon enough this person is going to realize Christians have killed just as many people (in the name of christianity) as muslims (in the name of islam) have. Maybe this person will then convert to Hinduism or Buddhism and find some sort of peace with the world.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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If Christians HAVE killed as many in the name of Christianity, can you provide the scriptures from their Bibles they might have used? Please don't resort to those from a different dispensation, (i.e. Old Testament) that Christians aren't supposed to follow in this day and age. Please provide those scriptures on par with, say, Quran 9:29.
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
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All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey, O "im not a Muslim and served in Afghanistan". Yes, Christians believe in the Old Testament, and, believe it's a part of God's Word, but, WHERE is it commanded of them IN the New Testament to still kill witches and infidels? Christians are to now love their enemies and pray for those who despitefully use them. DIFFERENT dispensation, O "I'm not a Muslin". Try hard to find those Bible scriptures that match the evil ones of the Quran like say, Quran 9:1-5, 29 and, of course 4:24 (allowing a slave master to have sex with a married slave). By the way, is Mark 7 telling CHRISTIANS to kill those who curse father and mother?
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I know you don't care, because you feel the fault lies with the individual NOT the religion. By the way, how come Christians of today are no longer acting like Muslims of today? I believe it's because Christians are "rightly dividing the Word of God" finally. Unfortunately, in Islam, if you are a Muhammadan and you study the Quran, you either become an infidel who just ACTS like a pious Muslim to keep from paying the jizyah (or worse), or, you join up with Al Qaeda.
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Unfortunately, in Islam, if you are a Muhammadan and you study the Quran, you either become an infidel who just ACTS like a pious Muslim to keep from paying the jizyah (or worse), or, you join up with Al Qaeda. "
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That's why all studies show that extremist Muslims make up around 5% of all Muslims world-wide?
What a hateful little boy you are. How sad for you that all your self-hatred and anger at the world has to manifest against someone else instead of yourself.-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I bet you don't read the writings of Saint Paul, DO you, O "I served in Aghanistan under George Bush but won't say if I shot at my fellow Muslims"? DID you shoot at Muslims why serving for the George Bush and the Dick Cheney while being in Afghanistan? And, if you didn't, WOULD you have, if ordered?
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Still waiting for any quotes from the Bible, including from John, that say the Old Testament should no longer be followed and that OT Law no longer stands for Christians.
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Anything to refute the following quotes from Jesus or others:
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)"
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I believe it's because Christians are "rightly dividing the Word of God" finally."
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Are christians destroying hindu temples because God told them to? Are christians in Germany carrying a "Heil Hitler" sign because God told them to? Are christians burning down synagogues in Germany & France because God told them to?-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I KNOW you are trying to bring down Christianity to the level of Muhammadanism. When Christians hijack a plane and shout "Jesus is Great!" before hitting one of those towers in Dubai, I'll start looking for scriptures in the Bible that might support something on par with those scriptures that turn MEDICAL doctors into Scottish airport destroying terrorists.
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Christians invaded, occupied and purposefully destroyed a country killing thousands in the process. They build churches in a country that is non christian, and forced non christians to convert into christianity.
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Guess they must think "Jesus is great," and according to christians every non believer is doomed to hell. Must be rapture.-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Christians invaded, occupied and purposefully destroyed a country killing thousands in the process."
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Mut: Dressed as Sunnis as they set off car bombs in Shia market places and shrines? MOST were killed in Iraq that way.
"They build churches in a country that is non christian,"
Mut: Why that's just TERRIBLE. I bet they don't even take care of the poor, huh? :)
" and forced non christians to convert into christianity."
Mut: Say it ain't so. :)
"Guess they must think "Jesus is great," and according to christians every non believer is doomed to hell."
Mut: That's for damn sure. Most certainly do.
"Must be rapture."
Mut: Not yet.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You probably got such information from those who believe the sky is canopy held up by the powers of Allah, and, is well guarded by stars in our atmosphere that will shoot missiles (meteors) at you if you try to leave the bounds of the earth without Allah's authority as said in the Quran.
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You forgot to mention that all of the monotheistic religions have records of genocide. Some of them have "journalists" calling for genocide in American newspapers this very day - as this Israeli jew notes about Charles Krauthammer and the Washington Post.
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Mamilla Pool
... By 614 Palestine was a part of the Roman successor state, the Byzantine Empire. It was a prosperous, predominantly Christian land of well-developed agriculture, of harnessed water systems and carefully laid terraces. Pilgrims came in flocks to the Holy places. The Constantine-built edifices of the Ascension on the Mount of Olives and of the Holy Sepulchre were among the man-made wonders of the world. The Judean wilderness was enlivened by eighty monasteries, where precious manuscripts were collected and prayers offered. The Fathers of the church, St Jerome of Bethlehem and Origen and Eusebius of Caesarea, were still a living memory. One of the best Palestinian writers, on a par with the Minor Prophets, blessed John Moschos, just completed his Spiritual Meadow.
There was also a small, wealthy Jewish community living in their midst, mainly in Tiberias on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Their scholars had just completed their version of the Talmud, the codification of their faith, Rabbinic Judaism; but for instruction they deferred to the prevailing Jewish community in Persian Babylonia.
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In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught. The Great Laura of St Sabas, tucked away in the bottomless Ravine of Fire (Wadi an-Nar) was saved by its remote location and steep crags. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked.
This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:
They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.-
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Oxford Professor Henry Hart Milman's History of the Jews describes it in stronger terms:
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It had come at length, the long-expected hour of triumph and vengeance; and the Jews did not neglect the opportunity. They washed away the profanation of the holy city in Christian blood. The Persians are said to have sold the miserable captives for money. The vengeance of the Jews was stronger than their avarice; not only did they not scruple to sacrifice their treasures in the purchase of these devoted bondsmen, they put to death all they had purchased at a lavish price. It was a rumour of the time that 90,000 perished.
...In plain prose, the Jews ransomed the Christians from the hands of the Persian soldiers for good money to slaughter them at Mamilla Pool, ‘and it ran with blood’. Jews massacred between 60,000 and 90,000 Palestinian Christians in Jerusalem alone, almost 1.5 million in today’s values (the total earth’s population was according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica about 300 million, twenty times smaller than today). A few days later, the Persian military understood the magnitude of the massacre and stopped the Jews.
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To his credit, the Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich does not try to shift the blame for the massacres onto the Persians, as it is usually done nowadays. He admits that ‘the Persian Empire was not based on religious principles and was indeed inclined to religious tolerance’. This good man is clearly unsuitable to write for the Washington Post. That paper’s correspondent in Israel would have had no trouble describing the massacre as ‘retaliatory strike by the Jews who suffered under Christian rule’.
The holocaust of the Christian Palestinians in year 614 is well documented and you will find it described in older books. It has been censored out of modern guides and history books. Elliott Horowitz described, in his brilliant expose of the Jewish apologia[ii] how almost all Jewish historians suppressed the facts and re-wrote history. The cover-up continues even now....
....The tragic events of 614 should be returned into historical narrative, for it will help the Jews to heal their paranoid delusion. Without this knowledge one cannot understand the provisions of the treaty between the Jerusalemites and Caliph Omar ibn Khattab, concluded in year 638. In the Sulh al Quds, as this treaty of capitulation is called, Patriarch Sofronius demanded, and the powerful Arab ruler concurred to protect the people of Jerusalem from the ferocity of the Jews.
The genocide of the AD 614 was the most horrible, but not the only, genocide wreaked by Jews in those troubled years....-
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Modern Jews do not have to feel guilty for the misdeeds of Jews long gone. No son is responsible for the sins of his father. Israel could have turned this mass grave with its Byzantine chapel and mosaics into a small and poignant memorial reminding its citizens of a horrible page in the history of the land and of the dangers of genocidal supremacy. Instead, the Israeli authorities preferred to demolish the tomb and create an underground parking-lot in its place. That did not cause a murmur.
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The guardians of the Jewish conscience, Amos Oz and others, have objected to the destruction of ancient remains. No, not of the tomb at Mamilla. They ran a petition against the keepers of the Haram a-Sharif mosque complex for digging a ten-inch trench to lay a new pipe. It did not matter to them that in an op-ed in Haaretz, the leading Israeli archaeologist denied any relevance of the mosque-works to science. They still described it as ‘a barbaric act of Muslims aimed at the obliteration of the Jewish heritage of Jerusalem’. Among the signatories I found, to my amazement and sorrow, the name of Ronny Reich. One thought he might tell them who obliterated the vestiges of the Jewish heritage at Mamilla Pool.
Censored history creates a distorted picture of reality. Recognition of the past is a necessary step on the way to sanity. The Germans and the Japanese have recognized the crimes of their fathers, have came to grips with their moral failings and have emerged as humbler, less boastful folks, akin to the rest of human race. We Jews have so far failed to exorcise the haughty spirit of the Chosen-ness, and find ourselves in a dire predicament.
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Haaretz published an ad on its front page[vi], a fatwa, signed by a group of Rabbis. The Rabbis proclaimed the theological identification of Ishmael (the Arabs) with the Amalek. ‘Amalek’ is mentioned in the Bible as the name of a tribe that caused trouble for the Children of Israel. In this story the God of Israel commands His people to exterminate the Amalek tribe completely, including its livestock.... In plain English, the Rabbis’ fatwa means: our religious duty is to kill all Arabs, including women and babies and their livestock to the last cat. The liberal Haaretz, whose editor and owner are sufficiently versed to understand the fatwa, did not hesitate to place the ad....
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It would be unfair to single out Haaretz. Another prominent Jewish newspaper, The Washington Post, published an equally passionate call to genocide by Charles Krauthammer[viii]. ... Krauthammer wants to repeat this feat in Palestine. ‘It’ is already cut off, divided by the Israeli army into seventy pieces. Now it is ready for the great kill. ‘Kill it!’ he calls with great passion. He must be worried that the Persians will again stop the bloodbath before the Mamilla Pool fills up. His worries are our hopes.
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dissent11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Early CIA Involvement in Darfur Has Gone Unreported
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Jay Janson - 10/1/2007
There has been a glaring omission in the U.S. media presentation of the Darfur tragedy. The compassion demonstrated, mostly in words, until recently, has not been accompanied by a recognition of U.S. complicity, or at least involvement, in the war which has led to the enormous suffering and loss of life that has been taking place in Darfur for many years. In 1978 oil was discovered in Southern Sudan. Rebellious war began five years later and was led by John Garang, who had taken military training at infamous Fort Benning, Georgia. "The US government decided, in 1996, to send nearly $20 million of military equipment through the 'front-line' states of Ethiopia, Eritrea and Uganda to help the Sudanese opposition overthrow the Khartoum regime." [Federation of American Scientists fas.org]
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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That's like me asking Dionys about his saying that he served in Afghanistan. No WAY will he admit that he shot at Muslims for George Bush. Of course, I have a HARD time believing that he served under Bush. More likely, he served under the Taliban, and, I'm not being funny, either.
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Please don't resort to those from a different dispensation, (i.e. Old Testament) that Christians aren't supposed to follow in this day and age."
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Gandhi stood for peace, wether he suceeded or not is another problem. I haven't forgotten what happened in Mumbai, but it seems you've forgotten what the British did? Was that in the name of christianity? I recall the British claiming they are church going christians, so they build churches in India.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yep, I'm sure the British in India claimed to be Christians. I'm betting that the Hindus would rather have the British with their "Christianity" than the Islam that FORCED Ghandi into creating an Islamic state, (Pakistan), FOR them. How about you? I mean, after all, the "Christian" British aren't pointing nuclear missiles at them now, are they?
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The hindus would not rather have the CHRISTIANS British occupiers in India. The hindus prefer the India they have now. Does that answer your question?
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Gandhi did what he had to do under the circumstances. Nothing the muslims have done justify's what the christians did in India. And, let me emphasize, hindus prefer the India they have now, compared to the way it was under "christian occupation." Today, India is the largest Democracy in the world. Under "christian" rule, India was a wasteland.-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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How come the British Christians didn't carve out a piece of India (like the Muhammadans did to make Pakistan), then threaten what was left of India with nuclear destruction LIKE Pakistan of today? I think when you say Hindus would rather have Muslims ruling over them rather than "Christian British", you are performing a bit of Muhammadan al-taqqiya. Besides. Did "Christian British" ever do anything as dastardly as what happened in Mumbai recently? If they did, WHAT part of the New Testament were they following to bring about such evil?
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Did "Christian British" ever do anything as dastardly as what happened in Mumbai recently?"
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What? The "christians" destroyed India completly & turned it into a wasteland. It took years to build India after the christians were finally kicked out. What happened in Mumbai can't even be compared to the evil the christians perpetrated in India. India & Pakistan both have nuclear weapons, neither has ever used them.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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My Indian girlfriend FROM Mumbai, would disagree with your assessment about "Christian" British in India. Sure, they could have treated the Hindus better, but, if they treated them badly, I WONDER what scriptures they were using from the NEW Testament (which is what they are to follow in THIS dispensation) to make something you would say is worse than what the Muhammadans brought to Mumbai recently? Which scriptures, sir? WHICH scriptures that would bring something on par to what Muhammadans do to set off car bombs in Shiite market places and shrines in Iraq?
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dissent11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"My Indian girlfriend FROM Mumbai, would disagree with your assessment about "Christian" British in India."
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you cannot be serious! this shows exactly how out of touch with reality you are mutania. who gives a rat's ass about your indian girlfriend? the indians threw out the british "christians" after the british "christians" grew rich and powerful from 400 years of screwing the indians into poverty.... and you cite your indian girlfriend as an authority..... who disagrees? big-freakin'-deal!
the british "christian" empire would never have existed if not for the wealth it exploited from india. that's why india was "the jewel of the empire". get a clue-
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dissent11 months, 3 weeks ago
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you hid behind your "indian girlfriend" as your defense to justify "christianity" against pcknowledge's correct summation of india's history under british "christian" rule. you may not have said they treated them well, but, what is important here, is you said they did not treat them as badly..... which is ALWAYS your belabored and unsophisticated point
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most christians take the easy wacko way out and say that it wasn't christianity at all but only evil taking a christian form. but as that argument applies equally to islam, and your purpose is to demonize islam, that obviously wouldn't work for you at all as it would stop you dead in your tracks. so you opt for a tepid defense, ie. "didn't say they were good, just not as bad".... weak, very weak-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"most christians take the easy wacko way out and say that it wasn't christianity at all but only evil taking a christian form."
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Mut: What? Muhammadans don't do that when shown a terror link to Muhammadism?
"but as that argument applies equally to islam,"
Mut: So your point is?
"and your purpose is to demonize islam,"
Mut: Which Islam makes very easy, face it.
"that obviously wouldn't work for you at all as it would stop you dead in your tracks."
Mut: True. Because a Muhammadan is supposed to kill those who question Islam.
" so you opt for a tepid defense.... weak"
Mut: Hey, just reporting what I've witnessed , heard and read. Doesn't mean it's right, just what I've observed.
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ur-land-is-my-land11 months, 3 weeks ago
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hey stay away from that transvestite girl. Is she your source of information about India and its history?
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I have a Pakistani friend in US who really tried to convince me that Indians if looked at carefully look like pigs and
I have Hindu friends in US who have tried to convince me that if Pakistan sneezes India catches cold plus some other stuff that i would not want to bring up here.
which one of these people should I use as my source of information?
btw none of them is my girlfriend since I am a man , heterosexual and very very hairy .-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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No. I call her "deHoany". "DeHoany" will do. Oh, by the way, IF you got it from me that I said my girlfriend was my source on what's going on in India and Pakistan, you'd be wrong. But, I'd bet you'd like to believe that I am. You can call it disinformation all you want, but, in this case, I'm going to believe her.
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ur-land-is-my-land11 months, 3 weeks ago
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alright kid I was just busting your bal ls...no disrespect intended toward your girl friend.
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you were a good sport though I must admit :)
But just let you know form my personal dealing with Pakistanies and Indians, there is unbelievable amount of distrust , disrespect and almost hatred between them, Hindus and Pakis, alike,
but in US when they meet each other they have learned how to fake it, both sides,
i was really good firends with Indians, professors and students and I was really good freinds with Pakistanis but could never bring them together and the sad fact was people on both sides were really good people.
But you believe what you want, just wanted to let you know of the incredible , abnormal distrust and deep disrespect between these two people that has absolutely nothing to do with Islam or Hinduism.-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"abnormal distrust and deep disrespect between these two people that has absolutely nothing to do with Islam or Hinduism."
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Mut: Well, I've presented my girlfriend's point of view (she's not Hindu, by the way), and, it could be a wrong view. Being so the case, what do YOU think could be causing the strife IF it isn't due to people, Muslims, following a book that has surah 9:1-5 and 9:29 in it's pages?-
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ur-land-is-my-land11 months, 3 weeks ago
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There is absolutely nothing in those verses of Quran that could possibly lead to the distrust between Hindus and Muslims in that conflict. It has to do with the fanatics on both sides being in charge. By being in charge I don't mean the government I mean the ones who move the crowd, who whip the crowd's emotion into frenzy.
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Where in Hindu book says that you go destroy a Mosque or run pigs inside it?
where in Hinduism says that you go and kill Muslims only because they are Muslims, where does in Hinduism say that you go kill Sikhs?
where does in Hindusim say that you go and kill Gandhi because he did nt hate the Muslims enough? The man who killed Gandhi was a Hindu fanatic.
Fanatics of any religion will interpret their teachings in a way to fit their dogma with the exception of jews since the books of Talmud and Torah have clear instruction for savagery and it divides the world into jews and Gentiles (second class) . I have not read Hinduism but I have had mannnnnnny Hindu friends and good friends and I doubt Hindusim would allow such a division.
The fact remains, the distrust and hatred between the average citizens of these two countries is enormous by anybody's standard.
The fact remains that neither country's government word is wroth the paper it is written on,
The fact remains that none of the governments in these two countries are trust worthy, I rather trust devil and I would be comfortable with that than trust India or Paklsitani government no matter who is in power.
The fact remains that these two countries are full of LOT of good people.
To me this is a big mess.
Iran has been trying to break this mold by having an Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipe line that goes to India pass through Pakistan, an economic step that would bring the two nations closer together since Iran has a good deal of cultural influence among both nations, (many Iranian words are in Hindi language, and Farsi is taught as a second language n Indian high schools,ask your girl what is the meaning of "mera del kherab ast" this is a complete Farsi sentence used in its entriety in India, the same with Pakistan, BiNazeer Bhto 's mother was an Iranian and Pakistanis have a great respect for Iran and its culture, just look at the words of praising Iran of Allameh Iqbal of Pakistan and the physics noble prize winner Abdussalam, a Pakistani )but for years this project has been bogged down by the fanatics of both India and Pakistan.
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ur-land-is-my-land11 months, 2 weeks ago
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agree on the situation between Paksitan and India, disagree with Islam being the roots. In both cases the land is the root causes. Indians get along with Bangladeshis no probelm , but not with Pakistanis. LAND + FANATICS on boths sides is the fanning the flames offire now.
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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ur-land-is-my-land11 months, 3 weeks ago
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it took you two comments to post a "deflection", to my post. Are you ok?
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Let me post my comment again :
"Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu fanatic just like you and that transvestite Hindu girl sitting next to you in your youtube video."
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jmopinion11 months, 3 weeks ago
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From another ex-Muslim:
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It is very important to understand that Muslims in general will mostly deny that any Muslims are ever involved in Islamic terrorism around the world. Muslims in general and pure Muslims in particular will spread some awkward conspiracy theories blaming America, Israel and India about Mumbai incident.
Still today, a large portion of Muslims believe that 9/11 was an American-Jewish conspiracy --only to harm peaceful Islam. Many of them may condemn terrorism, but they do not condemn any Islamic terrorists’ gang by name and identity and they will always smell some conspiracy theory and will outright disbelieve western media.
Most importantly, a large portion of Muslims will never condemn any Islamic terrorism whole heartedly, period. Islamic terrorists are continuously getting a silent “nod of consent” from millions of gullible Muslims and hypocritical Islamists. Devout Muslims, (especially in Arab nations, Pakistan and elsewhere) have two-faces: to the western media, they profess to oppose terrorism, while in private, they espouse Islamic jihad, which is Islamic terrorism. Keep in mind that Muslims are allowed by Allah to lie for the sake of Islamic success. This is what we call Islamic deception to fool the western people. I hate to say it, but Islamists are getting great successes in this practice of fooling westerners.-
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avoth11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Islamists are getting great successes in this practice of fooling westerners."
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If the "westerners" you speak of are liberals, I must take exception. Liberals are never fooled as they've told us Conservatives so many times. Could there be another reason for their "tolerance" of "radical" Islam?
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pcknowledge11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Mutainia
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When you & Dionys communicate, can you stop using your "And yet, YOU, O "I'm not a Muslim..." remark? It's very repetitive & comes across as a personal attack. When disagreeing with someone on Propeller, why don't you stick to facts instead?
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is a personal attack. But it's okay. Mutainia just does it because she thinks it "gets under my skin." But it's better as a representative of the kind of person she is.
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Can't you just see her (well -- I mean him I guess) living in mommy's basement scratching on a notepad all these clever comments and then high-fiving himself every time he posts?
"nd yet, YOU, O "I'm not a Muslim" fought under George Bush in Afghanistan? Really?"
Yes. Because I know that being someone who "loves America" isn't sitting in front of your computer staring at some propaganda film and making snippy comments while sucking down a diet coke hoping you can still sit in your chair tommorow.
It's serving your country so that those people who cannot, or those people who are too lazy to do so, can live their lives safely and freely.
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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No doubt about it. You should see some of her other rants when he's OFF medication. It's as though English isn't his first language and he's trying to process deep spiritual thought through the lense of Kellogs brand advertising slogans.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey, O "I served in Afghanistan (shooting at Muhammadans?)". You aren't insulting me by calling me a "her". Unlike Muhammadans, who have to believe Mr. (pbuh) that women only has HALF a brain, MOST non-Muhammadans are knowledgeable in anatomy now to realize your prophet was wrong, and that women, like men, actually have a complete brain. So, try to think of some other way to insult me, ok?
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"What an odd world you live in where only Muslims are causing wars, conflict and murder."
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Mut: Oh, it's not only Muslims, but, hey, when it comes to terrorism, yeah, it's mostly Muslims, thanks to the Quran, no doubt.
"You'd think you've never in your life read a newspaper,"
Mut: Have you read one NOT written in Arabic?
" listened to news reports"
Mut: Al Jazeera?
" or read any actual history."
Mut: That ISN'T written by an al-taqqiya-ing Muhammadan? Why should I read or watch ANYTHING coming from someone who follows a religion that says "war is deceit" and views the world divided between war and peace, and, anything NOT under "the house of peace" (Islamic territorial control) is "the house of war" (where Islamic deceit and deception is allowed)? If interested, people, go to YouTube and type into your web browsers "Pallywood" and, you will see what I mean, where a corps of a Palestinian falls out of a coffin paraded down a street and gets itself back INto it. That's "al-taqqiya, thanks ot Quran 3:28 and 16:106.
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, I don't think I'll call him that much anymore. Instead, since he talks like an anti-Israeli, anti-American, pro-Jihadi Muslim, yet claims to have served in Afghanistan as a volunteer soldier, I think I'll now call him "O 'I served in Afghanistan under George Bush (and won't say if I shot at Muhammadans)", because, well, he never does say if he was fighting the Taliban over there or not. He COULD say, "Yes, I shot at the Taliban", and, I'd probably go back to just calling him O "I'm not a Muslim" (since he seems to defend Muhammadism like a Georges Danton in court trying to keep from going to the guillotine with his words). I mean, really, I've NEVER seen ANYone NOT a Jihadi Muslim try to defend such a barbaric faith so desperately as Dionys has.
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And, since you are probably a Muhammadan yourself (hard to tell when, in Islam, a Muhammadan is allowed to lie), I can understand why you'd be more in favor of him over me.
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Dionys11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Really? From all your posts, I easily concluded that you support Hitler's ideology."
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You can conclude whatever you want, but like most of your conclusions this one, too, is inaccurate. I think Hitler's ideology was horrific and caused untold suffering for millions of people, including the millions of Jews, homosexuals and Rom he killed in concentration camps. It is on par with the policies of Mao in terms of destruction of lives that last into the present time.
"But I can understand why you don't America. "
Why I don't America what?
Support America's ideology? Not all of it. Who does?
Love America? I love America, otherwise I wouldn't have served in the armed forces as a volunteer. How did you prove that you love America? By buying Chinese crap to furnish your house so you could be comfortable in the country I kept safe for you while you sat on your ass?-
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Mutainia11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I love America, otherwise I wouldn't have served in the armed forces as a volunteer."
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Mut: Armed forces? So, when you were in Afghanistan, you would have fired on the Taliban (Muslims), if given the order to? REALLY?
"How did you prove that you love America? By buying Chinese crap to furnish your house so you could be comfortable in the country I kept safe for you while you sat on your ass?"
Mut: I take it you only buy American? But, again, YOU served, as a volunteer IN Afghanistan, shooting AT Muslims? REALLY? You, Dionys, REALLY did that?
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ChefEOD11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Too many here are missing the point, which is this guy has an insiders knowledge of what Hamas is.
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