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Posted By tehranchik 10 months, 1 week ago in Political News
Opinion: Pity worst form of patronizing, will ensure Gazans continue to whine instead of acting
The residents of Gaza, and the Palestinians as a whole, say they would like their own state. Yet such state must be earned. And earning a state – a piece of land to call your own – takes much more than incessant whining to the international community coupled with a desire to drive out the Jews. It requires inner strength and the ability to create rather than destroy. This is what Israelis proved time and again for over 60 years, and this is what Palestinians have yet to prove.
Yet before the people of Gaza are able to build, Hamas must be obliterated. Moreover, Hamas' ultimate defeat must not be at the hands of the IDF, but rather, it is an endeavor that must be undertaken by Gaza residents themselves. After all, Hamas is the true reason for their misery.
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tehranchik10 months, 1 week ago
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rimbaud10 months, 1 week ago
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Thinker2210 months, 1 week ago
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You're right, Tehranchik.
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It's not the obliteration of Hamas that is the road to peace, it's obliteration of Islamist terorrists no matter how they call themselves.
Only when the Palestinian Arabs will be ABLE AND WILLING to negotiate a peace agreement will peace become possible. -
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tehranchik10 months, 1 week ago
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I'd like to refer rimbaud to lie #2.
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AnteUp10 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks for posting this one, tehranchik.
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Who th heck is this Adi Dvir..............the Ann Coulter of Ynet news?
What disgusting sentiments. Even rightwing extremists in Israel
need a cheerleader - huh?
And thanks for mentioning that Hamas WAS elected. The news likes
to pretend that they ever participated in a Democratic process. I have
heard the news mention the bloody ousting of Fatah in Gaza that took
place LONG after the US and Israel convinced Abbas NOT to form a
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injest10 months, 1 week ago
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When was Hamas elected.........?
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January and May 2005, in which it took control of Beit Lahia and Rafah in the Gaza Strip and Qalqilyah in the West Bank. The January 2006 legislative elections marked another victory for Hamas, which gained the majority of seats in the first fair and democratic elections held in Palestine,[35] defeating the ruling Fatah party. The "List of Change and Reform", as Hamas presented itself, obtained 42.9% of the vote and 74 of the 132 seats
Seriously, why is this even a question?
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Spadecaller10 months, 1 week ago
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rimbaud10 months, 1 week ago
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Hamas must put the ideology that prevents them from accepting the State of Israel on the back burner, in Allah's hands, and begin building an economy in Gaza. They should send students to Israeli and Egyptian universities. With peace, they may find Trade and Travel across their borders, and prosperity, instead of charity and martyrdom, and find they exert a greater influence over their neighbors.
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tehranchik10 months, 1 week ago
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rimbaud,
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How would you suggest that students travel to foreign universities?
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hyperbola10 months, 1 week ago
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Well Rimbaud, you have not been paying attention. Hamas offered a long year truce to Israel immediately upon being elected (over 2 years ago). Israel (and the US) never even answered, but instead set up a blockade of virtually all economic activity in Gaza of the kind you advocate. It sounds like you have succumbed to the zionist propaganda effort. It would be more accurate to say the present situation is another example of the blundering of Bush and his zioncons, espècially in kowtowing to Israel.
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We must adjust our distorted image of Hamas
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/03/we-must-...
Gaza is a secular society where people listen to pop music, watch TV and many women walk the streets unveiled
Last week I was in Gaza. While I was there I met a group of 20 or so police officers who were undergoing a course in conflict management. They were eager to know whether foreigners felt safer since Hamas had taken over the Government? Indeed we did, we told them. Without doubt the past 18 months had seen a comparative calm on the streets of Gaza; no gunmen on the streets, no more kidnappings. They smiled with great pride and waved us goodbye. ... Less than a week later all of these men were dead, killed by an Israeli rocket at a graduation ceremony. Were they “dangerous Hamas militant gunmen”? No, they were unarmed police officers, public servants killed not in a “militant training camp” but in the same police station in the middle of Gaza City that had been used by the British, the Israelis and Fatah during their periods of rule there....
Who or what is Hamas, the movement that Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defence Minister, would like to wipe out as though it were a virus? Why did it win the Palestinian elections and why does it allow rockets to be fired into Israel? The story of Hamas over the past three years reveals how the Israeli, US and UK governments' misunderstanding of this Islamist movement has led us to the brutal and desperate situation that we are in now....
Palestinians did not vote for Hamas because it was dedicated to the destruction of the state of Israel or because it had been responsible for waves of suicide bombings that had killed Israeli citizens. They voted for Hamas because they thought that Fatah, the party of the rejected Government, had failed them. Despite renouncing violence and recognising the state of Israel Fatah had not achieved a Palestinian state. It is crucial to know this to understand the supposed rejectionist position of Hamas. It won't recognise Israel or renounce the right to resist until it is sure of the world's commitment to a just solution to the Palestinian issue. -
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hyperbola10 months, 1 week ago
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As for recognizing Israel, no country in the world would recognize an "Aryan master race" country in Germany, or a "white" country in South Africa. Neither should any country (or Hamas) recognize a "jewish" country in Palestine. That is just pure racism and the world should certainly not be condoning racist regimes. Here is a good analysis from an Israeli jew.
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Why Israel Has No "Right to Exist" as a Jewish State
By OREN BEN-DOR
http://www.counterpunch.org/bendor11202007.html
In fact, if the goal is peace in Palestine and the mideast, what the world should do is tell the Israelis it will NEVER recognize them as a jewish state. The zionists will never stop killing jews, christians and moslems for racist ideology otherwise. With that phony issue off the table, then some real progress towards peace could be made. -
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AnteUp10 months, 1 week ago
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Well yeah - that would be good advice since Israel bombed their University.
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And you have GOT to be kidding about the Palestinians focusing on building
their ECONOMY??.....................as if Israel would allow trade to function!
Not in a million - might give the people of Gaza some faith in their future.
Take my word for it - until some of Israel's "friends" tell them "NO" .........
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dissent10 months ago
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"Hamas must put the ideology that prevents them from accepting the State of Israel on the back burner, in Allah's hands, and begin building an economy in Gaza."
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how, pray tell, can gaza build an economy when the door is locked and israel holds the key? -
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Pecossam10 months ago
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rimbaud,
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Right on target and well stated. There are presently Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage benefiting from their PEACEFUL participation in the State of Israel, INCLUDING its government. Why doesn't the World Press show this side more often? Is it less news worthy than show-casing the rabble that comprises Hamas, perhaps?
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Leemck0210 months, 1 week ago
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My concern is the U.S. position, as it is tied to "goodwill", or rather the inspiration for more not less terrorism. Correct me if I am wrong, but seems the cross border violence, even if it is a Hamas member is not an official Hamas/Palestinian government act, but in fact against the "rule of law" (realizing the latter is mostly non-existent). What make sense to me is having a FBI type capability to bring such people to justice and locate weapons of mass destruction from the streets. The U.S. and Israel both have this capability. If Hamas refuses good faith negoticiations to accept assistance, from their choice, bringing in the French, Brits, U.S., Russia, or other nation(s) who are competent in this capacity then I can see Israel take a Scorched Earth approach. I don't think an invasion is appropriate yet. Even if we have such an act here, we employ these agencies and they bring the culprits into the system for fair handling. So, have Israel tried to be a part of the solution, or the U.S. ,who is furnishing weapons to one side, going after rouges of the government, as they do for themselves? I know the situation is complex, but the world is aware that Israel would "wipe out" others, whether they stated it as boldly as say Iran, or not. The U.S. who is the light of democracy should be more responsible. The silly analogy to the situation by the New York Mayor, will lead to a disaster like 'W', going to the wrong nation for WMD that did not exist. If we wants to give advise, let it be wise council, not that Republican lock step all the way to chaos.
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Thinker2210 months, 1 week ago
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> What make sense to me is having a FBI type capability to bring such people to justice and locate weapons of mass destruction from the streets. The U.S. and Israel both have this capability.
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No country on the planet has such capability. This is the reason wars are being fought using MILITARIES and not intelligence agencies.
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jdhatl10 months ago
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I'm sorry but collective punishment of a population group for whatever reason is immoral and wrong. I understand the position of Israel supporters in this, but collective punishment is collective punishment. We should all love and support Israel but this is just stupid and crazy. Hamas is just going to get stronger and more popular, more in control. They know how to deal with military force politically, they thrive in this environment. Real peace would kill their organization, war and violence never will.
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From the 4th Geneva Convention:
Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. -
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JBauza5210 months ago
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Hamas starts by firing rockets into Isreal, and they are supposed to take it?? I don't think so. To get rid of the rocket sites Isreal meeds to bulldoze that entire area. Then see if they get hit with rockets.
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The palestinians are always crying poor us. Well they need to get a government that doesn't go around promoting terrorism. -
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Leemck0210 months ago
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It is not "Pity" for the Palestinians that tops my list of concerns. It is stupid policy and blind leadership that may cause nukes to pop, good will loss and this nation's ability to enter into commerce for all the economic, political and destabilization reasons. I may have stretched it a bit, I am very concerned about people being killed needlessly . . . and someone inviting me to be indifferent is offensive. What is 'W', "still the President" saying? Was his statement giving the go ahead? I think this nation can do better.
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Endoscopy10 months ago
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Listen to all of the Muslim type propaganda. The avowed aim of Hamas is the replacement of Israel with a Sharia government. Absolutely nothing less is acceptable. Their stated view is that after Islam conquers a place it is Islamic forever. (Does this include Spain.) They view any group outside Islam trying to broker peace as foolish. They use the Quran and ahadith to prove what they say.
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Go search "Hamas charter" to read it for yourselves. The other terrorist organizations have similar charters.
With this as a backdrop how do you expect there to be peace. The only acceptable solution for Hamas is obliteration of Israel while Israel just wants to live in peace. A few years ago the bleeding hearts kept telling Israel that if Palestinians had a place where they had their own government there would be peace. Well bleeding hearts look at the result. Gaza was used as a place to send suicide bombers from and to launch rockets from. Is that your idea of peace? Foolish libs being sucked in by the al tiqiyya (acceptable lying) of the Muslims.-
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antibrainwasher10 months ago
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Remember your hate of muslim extreamists while your selling your christian creationism and theology as the only way to heaven, Mr Endotimes. No better than the theology of the teliban or these muslim extreamists.
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That's the difference between arabs and western civilization. Western civilization has pulled the teeth of religion, we know its a collection of lies and fairytales, invented by kings and con men to control the weak minds of morons.
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antibrainwasher10 months ago
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Its about overpopulation, about human beings, brainwashed and inbred for thousands of years, producing an average of 5 children while living in a refugee camp.
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I neither pity the arabs or the jews. I hope they kill each other down to last child.
Its the red ants against the black ants, tribalism santified by religion, and I don't give a rats arse who dies. Eff em all.
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thepathetlao10 months ago
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the Gaza Strip is a concentration camp for the Palestinians, Israel is trying to exterminate them, because they veiw them as inferior. Besides if you look at those "rockets" that Hamas is firing, they are little more than sling shots compared to the massive and advanced (US provided) weaponry the Israelis use. All you need to do is look at the huge difference in the death tolls. Everytime Hamas lauches a rocket they injure one or two people and blow up a bus...maybe....everytime Israel sends over a few helicopters they level an entire neighborhood.....to kill one man who happens to be a top member of Hamas while killing everyone else on the block. In the long term Israel is screwed, because we cant give them weapons forever, and they just keep stiring up the anger, by bombing people and blowing up their houses while keeping ambulances from reaching hospitals, they are digging their own grave.
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LABELDUDE10 months ago
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Gaza residents have clearly been watching African-Americans who for decades have been successful at whining more than working to create "equality" for their cultural group. Whining certainly does undermine actual attempts to improve. Especially when successful in delivering Free Stuff. So, let's forget about an "affirmative Action" program for the Palestinians.
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CrzyCatDC10 months ago
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Don't you love how people have a way of turning something completely unrelated into an opportunity to whine about how they don't get things handed to them. Sounds more to me like you're the one whining about not getting something. Maybe you didn't get into the school you wanted or didn't get the job you wanted. It's always easy to blame it on someone or something else...stop whining and try harder. Isn't that what you tell everyone else?
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And let me remind you that WHITE women benefit from welfare (that's right!) and affirmative action more than any other group in this country.
...this isn't about whining. people are dying you idiot.
Why you're mulling that over, please enlighten us as to the "affirmative action" program in place for Palestinians...last time I checked, they didn't even have long term supplies of basic food and water at this point. According to you, they should just stop complaining and die already. Tell you what, why don't you fly over there to Gaza and tell them to stop whining about not having food and water?
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drpolyphemus10 months ago
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The Israeli state is indefensible. The Israelis are carrying out genocide against the Palestinians. How can a people so familiar with genocide themselves perpetrate it against another people?
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How can anyone who seeks to defend this savage and brutal occupation and genocide?
Why a bunch of Europeans who follow the same religion can eradicate a people who have been the legal and moral owners of a land for 2000 years is beyond me. The concentration camp of Gaza is a disgrace.-
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almos_vagyok10 months ago
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The Palestinians "have been the legal and moral owners of a land for 2000 years"?
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The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 AD was a decisive event in the First Jewish-Roman War. It was followed by the fall of Masada in 73. The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66. The city and its famous Temple were completely destroyed. -
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most_reasonable10 months ago
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"The concentration camp of Gaza is a disgrace."
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It should be a sea resort.
The Pals have turned it into a concentration camp.
Want to see genocide?
Just look what the Muslim brotherhood has done to the villages there.
In the ongoing genocide, African farmers and others in Darfur are being systematically displaced and murdered at the hands of the Janjaweed, a government-supported militia recruited from local Arab tribes. The genocide in Darfur has claimed 400,000 lives and displaced over 2,500,000 people. More than one hundred people continue to die each day; five thousand die every month.
Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.
The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur
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almos_vagyok10 months ago
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The Palestinians "have been the legal and moral owners of a land for 2000 years"?
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The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 AD was a decisive event in the First Jewish-Roman War. It was followed by the fall of Masada in 73. The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66. The city and its famous Temple were completely destroyed. -
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BravoSierra10 months ago
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Israel exists because the Palestinians twice in history proved themselves to be unreliable guard dogs of the Suez and Red Sea trade route for the Western powers. If they could have gotten their stuff together 100 years ago the British would not have pulled out of the Palestinian Mandate and the land Israel now occupies would belong to the Palestinians. Same thing right after WWII. They are so hot-headed and impulsive they cannot form a viable military force or governmental bureaucracy.
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BravoSierra10 months ago
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If they could get organized they could create a Palestinian state the same way the Israeli's created Israel...through terrorism and eventual formation of a viable military.
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The concentration camp of Gaza is none-the-less a disgrace. Commerce, education and hope for a future for their children would do more to bring peace in Gaza than warfare or terrorism. Ireland is an excellent model. When the Irish invested in a global IT infrastructure and got their unemployment down to 2% there was no longer a need for the IRA. Now, the Irish are so woven into the financial interests of Britain that there will never be conflict again. -
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BravoSierra10 months ago
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Strip away all the rhetoric around this conflic and the geopolitical dynamics are the same as they have been since Marco Polo's family created the Silk Road and its three major trade routes. It's all about money and who makes it off the trade routes.
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most_reasonable10 months ago
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Another one you can blame the jews on:
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A suicide attack on a mosque packed with worshipers Friday killed more than 30 people and sent enraged Shiite Muslims on a rampage through this southwestern Pakistani city, officials said.
The death toll varied with some reports putting it as high as 47. There were scores more wounded in the attack, one of the bloodiest in a long series of assaults on the country's Shiite Muslim minority.
There was no claim of responsibility, but Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed blamed "sectarian elements," in an apparent reference to outlawed extremist groups of the Sunni Muslim majority, suspected in most of the previous attacks.
Shiite Muslims immediately took to the streets, setting fires and attacking buses and cars. Girding for more violence, the government called in troops to patrol the streets and imposed an indefinite curfew on the city of roughly 1.2 million people, about a third of them Shiites. -
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most_reasonable10 months ago
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More of the Muslim stand on individual rights and Understanding of Faiths. Even if the "other" is a variant of their own faith:
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BAGHDAD, Jan. 4 -- A woman wearing an explosives belt packed with ball bearings blew herself up in Baghdad near one of Iraq's most sacred Shiite shrines, killing at least 40 people and wounding scores more in a devastating attack that shattered festive celebrations ahead of Shiite Islam's holiest day, Interior Ministry officials said.
The blast, just 20 yards from a door to the two gold-leafed domes of the Imam Moussa al-Kadhim shrine, tore through a crowd of Iraqi and Iranian pilgrims waiting to enter a checkpoint, witnesses said. Women are usually searched less aggressively than men, allowing the assailant to thwart the stringent security ringing the shrine.
Residents described scenes of carnage after the woman detonated the explosives at 11:15 a.m. on a cool, sunny morning. Dismembered bodies were strewn across a muddy road and near a covered market, the blast's force hurling some parts onto the roofs of nearby two-story buildings. Volunteers gathered bloodied pieces of flesh in black plastic bags.
In the ensuing, chaotic minutes, witnesses said, some peopled vomited at the sight and smell of blood. Numb, survivors and the wounded cried religious invocations to Hussein, the grandson of the prophet Muhammad, whose death will be marked Wednesday, on a day known as Ashura, the most sacred day on the Shiite calendar. -
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most_reasonable10 months ago
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Mumbai terrorism: 46 Muslims among the dead
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Abdul Hameed Yousuf in Mumbai
Thousands of miles away in a village in Patna (Bihar) a young woman is sometimes sobbing, and sometimes crying and weeping loudly. Shabana Perween, 28, lost her husband Mohammad Hussain on November 26 in Mumbai when terrorists sprayed bullets at people at CST Station. Her four-year-old son, Mohammad Raza Hussain, is too little to understand what happened. How will she tell the second child about the tragedy she is carrying in her womb about the tragedy, she thinks and weeps?
Mustaqeem of Jharkhand is among those who lost their dear ones in the bloodiest ever terrorist attack in Mumbai. Six members of his family including his son, daughter, uncle, aunt and two cousin brothers were killed during firing at the same railway station. They were going their home in Jharkhand to celebrate 'Id al-Adha.
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