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Dionys11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thinker2211 months, 2 weeks ago
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> Or maybe when Israeli stops crossing borders to kill whomever it wants?
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It is normal and acceptable to cross borders and kill enemy fighters during a war, Dyonis, and it will continue for as long as the Palestinians are willing the war to continue.
If and when Palestinian Arabs decide to end the wat and if they' will be ABLE AND WILLING to negotiate a peace agreement will peace become possible.
If you believe that Israel will sit idly watching its citizens killed you're badly mistaken.-
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Dionys11 months, 2 weeks ago
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"It is normal and acceptable to cross borders and kill enemy fighters during a war, Dyonis, and it will continue for as long as the Palestinians are willing the war to continue."
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Oh sorry. I thought they did it during the truce and therefore broke the agreements of the truce.
Oh wait. THEY DID!-
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Thinker2211 months, 2 weeks ago
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> I thought they did it during the truce and therefore broke the agreements of the truce. Oh wait. THEY DID!
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So did the Palestinian militants who launched rockets into Israel during the truce.
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Thinker2211 months, 2 weeks ago
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You may use this link in case you'll be willing to say that Hamas kept their part of the truce, Tehranchik.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27714568/
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Endoscopy11 months, 2 weeks ago
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More al taqiyya Dionys? Sounds like the Muslim lies to me. When has Hamas ever renounced their charter. In that their avowed aim is to obliterate Israel and replace it with Sharia law and nothing else is acceptable. Their claim that if Islam ever conquers a place is is supposed to remain Islamic forever. Nothing else is acceptable to them. This is the view of the other Islamic terrorist organizations. Getting rid of the Jews and instituting Sharia law is their only acceptable solution.
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How do you get peace under those conditions when young Muslims are willing to die for Allah as suicide bombers to achieve that purpose?
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CaptainLucid11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Extra judical killings are justice when it is someone who attacks your country while using another country as a legal shield. There are many levels of legal relationships from active cooperation to extradition to local house arrest to outright refusal and military protection. The civilized world has Interpol where if some one robs a bank or murders someone the rest of the civilized world will cooperate with the investigation including active steps like checking IDs , serving warrants (which should be at least glanced at and rubber stamped despite what W wants. At the other extreme you have afghanistan, somalia, and palestine which are no longer functional countries, they are only outlaw hideouts with a loudmouth who keeps yelling "national soveriegnty". We could simplify things by just declaring war but we know it is not the peasants who hate us. They only attack us because if they don't the big terrorists will go really nasty on their village or tribe. The easiest solution is a bullet or exploding cell phone for the leaders. If that is not attainable we may have to get a bit cruder like a guided missile or bomb where we may have to take out the terrorists 4 wives and a basketball team worth of bastard future terrorists to get the top man.
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As far as terrorism that would be hoping your rocket nails some first grader who is just learning how to multiply and divide because you are a sic FUK.
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injest11 months, 2 weeks ago
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“Or maybe when Israeli stops crossing borders to kill whomever it wants?”
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Who’s border did Israel cross?
The Gaza strip IS part of Israel.
There’s an old saying that is still true today
"You can have your own opinion but ya can’t have your own facts."-
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Thinker2211 months, 2 weeks ago
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> ...not according to the un. remember them? statehood and all that?
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Oh yes, yes, of course, the UN, statehood and all that...
Don't you remember that the Palestinians and other Arabs REJECTED the UN offer of "statehood and all that" and continue rejecting it as we speak?-
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dissent11 months, 2 weeks ago
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i was talking about israel, 1947, but i knew of all people you would take it that way.....
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"The specific points and impediments to the establishment of a Palestinian state are listed below. They are a part of a greater mindset difference. Israel declares that its security demands that a Palestinian entity would not have all attributes of a state, at least initially, so that in case things go wrong, Israel would not have to face a dangerous and nearby enemy. Israel may be therefore said to agree (as of now) not to a complete and independent Palestinian state, but rather to a self-administering entity, with partial but not full sovereignty over its borders and its citizens.
The central Palestinian position is that they have already compromised greatly by accepting a state covering only the areas of the West Bank and Gaza. These areas are significantly less territory than allocated to the Arab state in UN Resolution 181. They feel that it is unacceptable for an agreement to impose additional restrictions (such as level of militarization) which, they declare, makes a viable state impossible. In particular, they are angered by significant increases in the population of Israeli settlements and communities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip during the interim period of the Oslo accords. Palestinians claim that they have already waited long enough, and that Israel's interests do not justify depriving their state of those rights that they consider important. The Palestinians have been unwilling to accept a territorially disjointed state. It is feared that it would face difficulties similar to Bantustans."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Pales...-
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Thinker2211 months, 2 weeks ago
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> i was talking about israel, 1947...
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So did I. In 1947 the UN offered to divide Palestine creating TWO states, one for the jews and another for the Arabs. The Jews accepted the offer and created a state. The Arabs rejected it and they do not have a state even today.
> The central Palestinian position is that they have already compromised greatly by accepting a state covering only the areas of the West Bank and Gaza.
By the very same token Israel compromised even more by agreeing to give up the areas of the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians.
> These areas are significantly less territory than allocated to the Arab state in UN Resolution 181.
This is correct... but the Arabs REJECTED the UN Resoluition 181. If the Palestinians are willing to go back to 1947 and change their collective mind THERE they may try to do that. If, however, they're willing to make peace in 2009 they'll have to realize that the conditions have changed since 1947 and that in 2015 they'll, probably, be sorry that they did not accept the offers of 2009.
> They feel that it is unacceptable for an agreement to impose additional restrictions (such as level of militarization) which, they declare, makes a viable state impossible.
If the Palestinians are wiling to live in peace then they do not need ANY militarization. If, however, they're incapable of living in peace then the restriction on their militarization will actually make their state MORE viable than not.
> In particular, they are angered by significant increases in the population of Israeli settlements and communities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip ...
I can guarantee that not a single Israeli settlement will remain within the borders of the (still non-existent) Palestinian Arab state. This being said, however, one has to remember that the lands of the West Bank and Gaza do not belong to ANY state yet and that claiming that people of one ethnicity have the right to live there while people of a different ethnicity do not have such right is nothing but racism.
> Palestinians claim that they have already waited long enough...
It were the Palestinians and other Arabs who rejected and continue to reject a peaceful negotiated solution to the conflict. They can only blame themselves for the "waiting". If and when they'll decide to stop vioence and negotiate a peace agreement Israel will not refuse.
> The Palestinians have been unwilling to accept a territorially disjointed state.
As it is not topologically possible to create a NON-disjointed state from the West Bank and Gaza an alternative practical solution would be creating TWO non-disjointed Palestinian states... especially considering the current sate of affairs betweeen the TWO Palestinian governments in the West Bank and Gaza.
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Candida11 months, 2 weeks ago
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injest: "The Gaza strip IS part of Israel."
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So it's part of Israel when it's convenient, and it's not part of Israel when that's convenient. It's not part of it when it's a question of starving them, but it's part of it when it's a question of killing them. If it's part of Israel but nobody can leave or enter, what is it if not a ghetto?-
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