The Raw Story | LEAKED: graphic, uncensored video shows carnage in Gaza »
Posted By dissent 6 months ago in News
As Israel's IDF wages it's own "media war" via Twitter and YouTube, uncensored footage from Palestine has been completely blacked out in the US.
Until now.
The following video contains material of a violent, graphic nature. Viewer discretion is advised.
Update: Raw Story has now conceded that the video footage in this story was not in fact filmed during Israel's recent incursion into the Gaza Strip. In their own words: "The source was in error. The footage was actually taken on September 23, 2005 at the Jabaliya refugee camp, described as a bombing of a parade that killed at least 15 Palestinians. Israel denied responsibility, and the ruling Palestinian Fatah blamed Hamas. We apologize for the error."
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we live in a culture of war.
let's make it a culture of peace.
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Candida6 months ago
I don't even know what to say anymore. I listen to the Israeli and US propaganda all day and wonder whether they believe what they are saying. Yes, the Israelis have a right to defend themselves, but so do the Palestinians. I could perhaps even understand the overwhelming force if this were a conflict between two nations, but it isn't. It's the oppressor punishing the oppressed for daring to rebel. This conflict didn't start six weeks ago when the last set of rockets started flying; it started 60 years ago, and no military solution short of the extermination of all Palestinians will ever fix it. As long as the Palestinian are deprived of daily necessities, as long as they are humiliated daily, and as long as pregnant women and sick old people keep dying at checkpoints, they will probably resist. Until the root causes of the problem are dealt with, there won't be any peace there, no matter how many times Israeli and US spokespeople keep repeating the peaceful intentions of Israel.
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dissent6 months ago
as i said on another thread, i think the intention here is to redraw the map of gaza. israel's plan is to cut the palestinians off from both egypt and the mediterranean and then carve the remainder of gaza into smaller pieces, as has been done with the west bank.
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the excessive use of force is probably seen as necessary, not to stop rockets as is the excuse, but to put israel in a stronger bargaining position when the time comes to start bargaining, ie. aim high then give a little and make it seem like a lot. it's a standard haggling technique.
after the horror of this past week and what is yet to come, suddenly the palestinians giving up the egyptian border and the access to the sea doesn't seem to bad if it means making this massacre come to an end. the rockets will, in all likelihood, continue, although far fewer as the access to the hardware will be severely restricted due to israel's increased control. but that's really neither here nor there -
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andybeider6 months ago
the root causes are simple...the arabic moslem people refuse to help their own brothers and let them live in filth for 60 years instead of taking them in to live like relatives. they let them sit like losers in the desert in gaza instead of bringing them into egypt or jordan or syria or iran or saudia arabia, kuwait, qatar, etc. all countrys that could afford to absorb them using the billions of oil money they are sitting on but instead they want them sitting like open sores to remind the world of their failure 60 years ago. their impotence is so great that they cant take it like men so they weep like cry babies and punish their own cousins instead of helping them to grow and prosper. that is the difference between heaven and hell. in heaven people help each other and in hell they dont. god punished most moslems by making them kill each other and fight each other like fools for centuries instead of growing up to be adults. those who did manage to escape the hot sun became rational thinking human beings and the rest need to be left to live out their miserable lives singing la la la la la at the top of their lungs until they learn to behave like people..
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Candida6 months ago
Here are some practical suggestions on how to achieve peace by someone who's lived in Israel and knows the problems facing it. Massive areal bombardment and occupation of Gaza is not among the steps recommended.
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tehranchik6 months ago
I have my own suggestion.
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One country, everybody equal citizens with equal rights. Muslim , Jew, Christian, Hindu what ever. No walls, no settlements. Equal representation in government. Everyone needs to have their say. No one is invisible. Had the group of people living here in the 30s and 40s been included in the plans....who knows where we'd be now. Jerusalem stays as it is now with all religions able to worship there. This is where I'll get into trouble but I think reparations to the previous dwellers is something that has to happen. I know this isn't very detailed and it's a very simple, general plan with lots of room for compromise, but If it were to happen I think the whole middle east could calm down and at least take one thorn out of the lion's paw.
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not2needy6 months ago
I think your suggestion is great, tc/ That would work throughout the world, if there weren't people who were so greedy and power hungry.
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AnteUp6 months ago
I'd vote for that, tehranchik Also, NO extra-judicial killings allowed.
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Criminal behaviour demands arrests and charges filed, and trials held within a judicial system that is available to ALL
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StevieGee6 months ago
I used to think that a 2 state system could bring peace. I don't see that happening now. Theocracy is not a good thing in this modern world. It's not good in Iran and it's not good in Israel. There should not be a Jewish State or an Islamic State. There should be a democratic state and when the citizens of this state are oppressed they should rise up and let their plight be known to the world.
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Justice4All6 months ago
A media war with Israel is very difficult because they control so much. But you would think people would at least question why Israel has cut off all media coverage of Gaza and at the same time is putting so much effort into Making up their own news.
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aceofspades16 months ago
You stupid fools - go to Rawstory's own website & you will see this -
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"The source was in error. The footage was actually taken on September 23, 2005 at the Jabaliya refugee camp, described as a bombing of a parade that killed at least 15 Palestinians. Israel denied responsibility, and the ruling Palestinian Fatah blamed Hamas
we apologise"
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jordan116 months ago
It isn't necessary to call people "stupid fools." Obviously, people can't jump on a plane & investigate stories like this, so trust in the integrity of the reports, which isn't easy in this day and age.
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tehranchik6 months ago
Did you notice that most of the comments were about a way to peace and not about the footage?
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NoWayMan6 months ago
um, you can google "gaza footage" and plenty will come up that was taken in the last week.
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dissent6 months ago
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my apologies for posting video footage that was, unbeknown to me at the time of posting, carnage of palestinian people dying on a previous occasion. my intention at the time of innocently posting this was to build a genuine awareness of what is really going on and not rest on nationalistic propaganda, abstract ideology and religious dogma alone, as many posters do.
the heartlessness of many shows that we need to be reminded of what it is to die and die violently. seeing this on our tvs night after night helped bring the vietnam war to an end. not seeing it today in gaza or iraq or afghanistan is why these wars remain very much alive. death has been erased from war. i could say it's now only a number but when it comes to the iraqi dead it is not even that
journalists, as you know, have been banned by israel from entering gaza which makes it so easy, as is seen on these threads, to wash death and blood away with words -- hollow brittle loaded words that are fanatically chanted over and over again
meanwhile, the current israeli assault continues unabated. the palestinian death toll climbs and keeps climbing -- 500+ dead, 2000+ injured. their deaths and damage must of course be far more tidy, surgical and humane if not compassionate than what is seen in this footage, if israeli spokespeople are to be believed
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fiftynine6 months ago
"graphic, uncensored video shows carnage in Gaza"..Didn't need to see the pictures,have seen them before in another war..it's all the same..death,dismemberment..it is no different than what we have done in Iraq..blood and gore is war..period.Do you think the body's of the Israelis look any different after a suicide bomber strikes a bus or an outdoor cafe? Do you think an Israeli that has been torn apart by one of the Hamas rockets is some how nicer to look at?
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I didn't want to even express an opinion about this conflict in the beginning,,war is war and i personally hate it..much more than most..but to continually hear about the poor Palestinians,how Israel is using to much force,blah,blah,blah from some of the same people that think it is ok for us to do the same in Iraq..war is about killing !!
I am not a bible thumping individual that goes around beating people with scripture,but i can't help but think about how it says that the world will turn it's back on Israel in the final days..maybe this is it,i don't know..but when thousands of people in the world protest about the way Israel is protecting it's own,but not one word when thousands of rockets are fired at them then something is terribly wrong.
If the Arab world,or the world in general really gave a crap about the Palestinians how come they didn't help them before Israel became a state?How come no one but Israel gave them land so they could be an independent entity..no one else cared that is why.This isn't about Palestine,it is about the destruction of Israel,which Hamas has stated as their goal. -
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aceofspades16 months ago
See Jorden? - the post just before your last one was posted after I pointed out (not too subtly) that it was not a current video & was probably that of a Muslim suicide bomber.
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The rush to judgement woprks on both sides we see with one eye & listen with no comprehension of what we hear. I didn't have to "jump on a plane" - I simply went to the source from which it came by going on the internet.
No one is so ignorant as those who will not listen & I add those who do not investigate the source of what is being said.
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SFCGuyW6 months ago
The Palestiniums in Gaza are not 'the oppressed' as some in this room have said. Long ago the Israeli's attempted to come to peace with the Palestinians and allow them to live in Israel or on lands the Israeli's did not hold. But the Palestinians chose war and declared their intent to kill every Israeli man, woman and child. Thus, they were driven into other Arab nations who welcomed them with open arms. However the Palestinians attempted to overthrow the governments of each nation that welcomed them and were driven out with military force into the West Bank and Gaza. Those Palestinians under the rule of the Fatah have chosen the path of peace, but those in Gaza, under Hamas, have insisted on war. Despite the pleas of Israel for peace and mutual respect and the pleas of Arab and western and Asian nations Hamas has chosen war. Israel wanted to continue the cease fire with Hamas, Hamas refused to continual it and immediately began firing rockets at Israel. Their rockets are hitting further and further into Israel. Israel has no choice but to attack and try to weaken Hamas as much as possible. Hopefully they will be weakoned enough to allow the Fatah to take over in Gaza and join the two groups of Palestinians.
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Israel, though they not have to, has supplied Gaza with electricity, water, food and health care. It was only after Hamas took over Gaza, by attacking the Fatah, that Israel began to withhold some, but not all of what it was sending to Gaza. It was also at that point in which the Egyptians chose to impose strick restrictions on the crossing points into Egypt. In violation of the agreement with Egypt Hamas has smuggled large amounts of guns, ammo, mines and rockets into Gaza. Hamas is totally to blame for the violence presently going on and the large number of civilian lives that will be lost. Hamas has chosen to hide it's forces and weapons next to schools, health clinics/hospitals, Mosques, etc. knowing that civilians, especially children will die.-
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hyperbola6 months ago
Well that is the standard line from the zionist criminals. Honest Israelis have a very different opinion. Like this one.
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The Self-Defense of Suicide - Israel is a Weak and Dying State
Echoing Lebanon 2006, the people of Gaza are being butchered by murderous pilots of a murderous state. Ground forces will soon butcher many more. This widely-expected repetition of Israel’s large scale violence is carried out after a long process that was triggered when Israel unilaterally cleared its settlements and ground presence from Gaza only to create what has been described as a remote-controlled human zoo. Israel has maintained total control over Gaza’s borders, its air and sea space, its economy, its electricity, food and medical supplies. The people of Gaza have been starved, humiliated and constantly intimidated.
Beyond achieving very short term relief from rocket attacks the scale of Israel’s violence is question-begging and thought provoking. Israel’s actions, justified by the “no choice” (ein brera) and “self-defence” rhetoric, can temporarily put the lid on the volcano of hatred around Israel and within it but, after the initial shock and awe, it is surely destined to bring much more violence.
Given the sure failure of attempts to bring about stability through violence, intimidation, starvation and humiliation, what, on earth, is the desire that moves the Israeli state? What, do Israelis imagine, will be achieved by this massacre? There must be something which is suppressed here.
Gaza itself gives us a clue. Many of the Palestinians who live in Gaza are descendants of 750000 refugees who were expelled in 1948 from what is now the Jewish state. Ashkelon is built on the ruins of the Palestinian village of al-Majdal whose people were expelled in 1948, many to Gaza. Only by such massive ethnic cleansing could a state with a Jewish majority and character be established. Any just realisation of the refugees’ internationally recognised right of return would effectively mean the end of the Zionist project. Those who choose to return would not merely threaten the Jewish majority. Upon return, they would surely press demands for equal citizenship. In so doing, they would challenge the foundational discriminatory premise of the Jewish state, which assigns a different stake in the state to all those who pass a test of Jewishness, whether they live in the country or elsewhere.
what is in fact being “preserved” is the unwillingness, or rather the inability, of Israelis to question their own state’s apartheid foundation. The concealing mantra about Hamas’s rocket firing versus Israel’s legitimate self-defence cynically conscripts both the Palestinians of Gaza and the Israelis of Sderot. Shielding the Jewish state’s unwillingness to deal with colonial and racist Zionism is more important than all of them....
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nnflfan6 months ago
I am sad for the Palestinian people in general, for they suffer even worse than our own Native Americans did. As much as I believe that only God should decide who lives and who dies, I believe the Isrealis must do whatever is needed to put an end to this whole nonsense. There is only one solution to the entire middle east crisis and that is to simply stop the killing. Stop tring to kill me, I will stop tring to kill you. Its that simple. The world is held hostage by a few Satanic radicals who believe they are following the commands of God. For some reason these people cannot accept that most of us worship the same God, just in different ways. How many centuries have Sunni & Shiite been at each others throat becuase they didn't agree on who should succeed Mohammed? Lost in all of this is Gods message. May peace be upon us all, and God Bless!
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hyperbola6 months ago
Well, we should take heart in the increasing numbers of israelis (and jews worldwide) who reject the crimes of zionism. Like these israelis:
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Why Israeli Anti-Zionists do not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state
In recent times, the demand has been raised, by representatives of the State of Israel, and by its supporters abroad, to recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist as a Jewish state”. I am told that this demand is a debater's trick that was invented by Henry Kissinger several years ago. Be that as it may, what, if anything, is wrong with this demand?
If the goal is a negotiated peace agreement, or treaty, there is no need for recognition of “the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state”. If the goal is to sabotage the possibility of a negotiated agreement, this demand has been placed front and center. A couple of other examples, just to illustrate the preposterous nature of the demand: Has anyone ever asked the Catholics of Ireland to recognize the right of Ulster, or Northern Ireland, to exist as a “Protestant state”? Would we recognize the right of any state to exist as a “Hindu state”? As a “Muslim state”? Just to pose the question is to expose its nature.
But, maybe we are not talking about “Jewish state” as a state affiliated to the Jewish religion. Maybe we are talking about a state that is defined by the dominant ethnicity. In that case, the position does not get any better.
...we have had our fill of states whose raison d'etre is to preserve ethnic superiority and domination. One does not have to refer to the late unlamented “Aryan state”. Within recent memory, we had white-supremacist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. Whatever limits there are to analogies from and to these white supremacist regimes, we have learned that states that define themselves with reference to the domination of one ethnic group cannot claim legitimacy.
Israel and its allies insist that the Palestinian victims of Zionism must “recognize Israel as a Jewish state with a Jewish majority.” No one seems concerned about the fact that this ultimatum flies in the face of elementary democratic values regarding human equality and human rights. Israel’s backers seek to legitimize that which is illegitimate by any standard of democracy.
This dispute is not about borders. In Ilan Pappe's recent book – “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” – he describes the events in a process of ”ethnic cleansing” conducted by the forces under David Ben-Gurion's leadership, from December 1947 through December 1948. An older book, by Sabri Jiryis - “The Arabs in Israel” - describes a reality of racist segregation and racist discrimination. ...
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sumptuousdigs6 months ago
This is a post from another thread, but, I think, topical.
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The powerful nations of the world seem to suffer from a collective case of amnesia when it comes to "the sins of the fathers".
One could get a little wisdom from the ancient poem "Beowulf".
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BB646 months ago
Both sides have problems but I tend to side with Israel. They've been trying to keep their troops out. You want the real enemies of peace in this region? Look to Iran and Syria. Both have supplied weapons, money and terrorist. I don't see hospitals, schools or businesses being financed. Israel left green houses and other businesses behind and Hammas or the PLO destroyed them. Why? Because it's costs them far less. Get them to do the killing, supply a little money & weapons. Then they use their dead for propaganda. It doesn't matter if it's civilian or militant for their purposes. You want to stop the violence, get Iran & Syria to behave.
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hyperbola6 months ago
You forgot to tell us that the greenhouses were only viable if one had ten times the water (jews) available to the other inhabitants of Gaza. You also might learn that Palestine was famous for production of fruit, even strawberries, long before the zionists arrived.
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As for building the palestinian economy, you have your eyes wide shut. The zionists are doing their best to make this impossible, including the continuing theft of land and other property (when they are not bombing it).
Israel Tightens Chokehold on Village of Entrepreneurs
Nilin, midway between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, is home to nearly 5,000 Palestinians. Known as the "village of entrepreneurs", it has more than its share of millionaires. But that looks set to change.
Traditionally, Nilin has enjoyed the benefits not only of a thriving agricultural industry on its plentiful outlying lands, but also of four factories that supply goods ranging from cola to fuel to Palestinians across the Ramallah region.
Encircled by half a dozen Jewish settlements like Hashmonaim – all illegal under international law – the village is slowly being sealed off in a fashion that may soon make its isolation almost as complete as Gaza's.
Since May, Israel has begun building its separation barrier along one length of the village, cutting it off from 250 hectares, or 40 per cent, of its farmland. The land will be effectively annexed to the neighboring settlements.
Copying the strategy of nearby Palestinian villages, the people of Nilin have begun a campaign of mainly nonviolent protests to delay the work in the hope that world opinion, or the Israeli courts, will win them a reprieve. ...
"We have no choice but to resist because the other option is that we watch our economy being slowly strangled to death. Israel wants us to leave this land for the settlers, but we are not going anywhere. We will continue struggling for our right to stay here."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/11/15/israel-t...
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mstrlstr6 months ago
the problem is that the younger people were not around to see the PLO, egypt, syria, jordan and all the rest of the chicken-shiite muslim states sucker punch israel over and over from 1946 to the present, and so they BELIEVE that hamas is a poor down trodden honest group of middle of the road muslim peace makers bent only on world peace... when, in fact, they are no less than blood thirsty SOB's who would kill their own children by strapping bombs to them and sending them out to kill innocent civilians... they are hate filled and would kill YOU and your family just for being americans... would you expect america to simply stand by and let canada or mexico lob mortars across our borders with impunity?... then why should israel have to do so?... do NOT stop the bombing and invasion until every last one of them is DOA...
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hyperbola6 months ago
Well that is standard zionist propaganda anyway. the truth is very different. The fact is that the zionists (many of whom were great admirers of the nazis) started a racist colonial totalitarian project based on ethnic cleansing of the christians and moslems in palestine already at the end of the 19th century. Already then, honest moral jews condemned the zionist project because they knew it involved ethnic cleansing (see below). As the zionist project gets ever closer to its ultimate (and guaranteed) failure, the zionist racists strike out in ever more deadly and futile frustration at their failure.
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Jewish Criticism of Zionism
.... Israel Zangwill, one of Herzl's earliest and strongest supporters, eventually turned against the idea of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Ironically it was Zangwill who coined the phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land." It was this phrase that became the potent rallying call for Zionist settlement in Palestine.14
It was not until 1904 that Zangwill realized that there was a fundamental problem with the Zionist program. In a speech given in New York in that year he explained:
There is. . . a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it. Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having 52 souls to every square mile, and not 25 percent of them Jews; so we must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the tribes in possession as our forefathers did, or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan.. . . This is an infinitely graver difficulty than the stock anti-Zionist taunt that nobody would go to Palestine if we got it. . . .15
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hyperbola6 months ago
And by the way mstrlstr, we Americans are getting increasingly fed up with fighting wars for zionist racists.
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Bringing the Arab-Israeli War Home
...The American people should be livid, though, with their bipartisan political elite and the Israel-firsters at Commentary, the New York Times, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Washington Post, as well as that hive of anti-American U.S. citizens that fund and lead AIPAC, for involving them in this barbarous mess. At some point down the road, every U.S.-taxpayer-funded bomb, artillery shell, and bullet aimed at the Palestinians will yield Americans killed at the hands of al-Qaeda, its allies, or those it inspires in attacks launched in response to U.S. support for Israel. Those Americans will be killed because their political and media leaders – corrupted to the bone by AIPAC – have involved them in a religious war that threatens nothing vital to their country's principles or national security, their personal economic well-being, or their children's lives.
And worse is yet to come. Israel's Gaza invasion has produced an unusual number of public anti-Israel demonstrations by American Muslims around the United States. The 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war produced similar events, but the current, Gaza-focused demonstrations are angrier and larger in number. How long, one wonders, will it be before Israel's military actions lead to violent clashes in America?
If this occurs, Israel and its American supporters will have the insurance policy they desire above any other, one they are desperate to obtain before Israel takes harsh action – by forced deportation or other means – against its rapidly growing and radicalizing Arab population. Once the Arab-Israeli religious war has been brought into the United States and is producing blood in America's streets, the Israel-firsters will claim the carnage proves that secular America and theocratic Israel are in the same boat and facing the same enemies. Flogging this plausible but palpable lie, AIPAC-owned American leaders will consign this country to an unending war against Islam, the same catastrophe that is Israel's lot.
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hyperbola6 months ago
In fact, mstrlstr, even israeli jews are tired of being used by askenazi zionist racists.
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Even in Sderot, Israelis Say No to Gaza Attack
It has been widely acknowledged that Israel began a public relations campaign soon after beginning their bombing campaign over Gaza. As usual, they have had plenty of help. One example of this was Alan Dershowitz's article "Israel, Hamas, and moral idiocy" which ran in the Christian Science Monitor on New Year's eve. In a tired tradition, Dershowitz tries to blame the Palestinians for making Israel kill them.
...I've been to Sderot: just over a year ago in November, 2007. ... I saw the devastating effects of the missiles from Gaza. Even though there had not been a death from these rockets in recent memory when I was there, I was not surprised to find that the missiles had inflicted an incredible mental wound on the residents. But I was surprised to find that although the people of Sderot who I met wanted the missiles to end they understood that militarism would not protect them. The people I met with were not calling for war, they were calling for negotiation. ... Even an IDF commander I met told me, off the record, "The Qassams [missiles] are like stones, there is no way to stop them. The only way is negotiation."
Even more amazing, residents of Sderot are organizing to try to end the attacks. Read the text of this petition signed by hundreds of Sderot's residents which has been posted at the website jews sans frontieres.
Clearly not all people in Sderot agree with these views, as has been shown. But it's also clear that Dershowitz and other proponents of the endless war will always use the people of Sderot as the cannon fodder they need in the moment. The residents of Sderot are primarily Mizrahi Jews, poor and working class, who have been settled on the periphery to play exactly this role. As much as Dershowitz might want to fight to the finish, those in the crossfire just want an end to the shooting.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/05/even-in-...
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icatsmeow6 months ago
Update: Raw Story has now conceded that the video footage in this story was not in fact filmed during Israel's recent incursion into the Gaza Strip. In their own words: "The source was in error. The footage was actually taken on September 23, 2005 at the Jabaliya refugee camp, described as a bombing of a parade that killed at least 15 Palestinians. Israel denied responsibility, and the ruling Palestinian Fatah blamed Hamas. We apologize for the error."
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icatsmeow6 months ago
Update: Raw Story has now conceded that the video footage in this story was not in fact filmed during Israel's recent incursion into the Gaza Strip. In their own words: "The source was in error. The footage was actually taken on September 23, 2005 at the Jabaliya refugee camp, described as a bombing of a parade that killed at least 15 Palestinians. Israel denied responsibility, and the ruling Palestinian Fatah blamed Hamas. We apologize for the error."
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BB646 months ago
Oh, before we take the camera out, send in the kids with the sheep blood soaked headbands.... Just another reason why you don't trust the antisemitic on Propeller.
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slate6 months ago
I have a solution. An immediate cessation and peace. Give the Gaza back and allow the Palestinians and Israelis to freely flow back and forth unharmed and Israel and the World give Palestine the aid needed and monitor that the money is used for only rebuilding and humanitarian uses.
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Both Palestine and Israel affirming the right to their neighbors to peacefully exist.
With the Israelis army posed on the boarder and after the first rocket is launched into Israel and or first suicide bombing or attack, Israel can unleash all her power to finish the job.
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Spadecaller6 months ago
The nature of discourse on Propeller regarding this conflict has been contentious and bitter.
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There are two wars in progress; a violent war and a propaganda war. Those who insist that one side has "the truth" on their side is surely self-deceived.
There is a lot of hatred developing between both sides because most members are insisting they know the truth; but there are no saints on either side of this dispute.
I don't support Israel's militant parties and many of its reactionary decisions, nor do I support a terrorist organization. I do support the Palestinians and Israelis who want peace and are willing to coexhist.
My aunt and cousin, who are Israeli, are among a majority of Israelis who are willing to recognize an autonomous Palestinian State. They know it will not happen as long as Hamas runs the show, and continues to work towards their ultimate goal - the destruction of Israel.
The rest of you ideologues on Propeller who think you know so much and choose to demonize either side are causing more hatred and polarization.
While this schism of hatred widens, the warmongers and bigots are getting what they think they want.
Some are extremist fundamentalist Muslims and some are extremist fundamentalist Jews, some are your common garden variety anti-Semites, and some are bigots who hate all Arabs.
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Klarissa6 months ago
This discussion seemed quite respectful.
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Guess I was lucky not to read the bitter hateful ones on this subject.
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texaspilot26 months ago
slate you almost had it right....allow israelis and palestinians to flow back and forth un-armed.....lol...thats more effective no?
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i watched the HAMAS rep this morning ....he lashed out but filed to apologize for the rockets falling on israel...Hamas took poer by force...they probably shoulod lose power by force.....a systematic - house to hosue search of Gaza and after wards installing a UN peacekeeping force like in the Siani...woulod be a good answer no? Remember the Hamas fighterrs have few options, no education and little incentive to behave- tell me honestly...what other option did the Isralis have......ask your self what would Hamas do if they had all the weapons and tanks that Israel does....is there any question?? lololol...-
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m-simon6 months ago
texaspilot2 - yeah the nerve of the Jews.
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The reason Palestinians aren't allowed to freely flow back and forth is that the Philistines like to put explosives on their people and detonate them among Jews. The Jews surprisingly don't like that. They object to rockets being fired on their cities and towns too.
Ah for the good old days when you could just put the Jews on trains and send them to work camps where they wouldn't cause trouble.
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mwriteman6 months ago
So, the "carnage in Gaza" film was a fake! Wow, how surprising is that? I suppose next Hamas will say they don't hide like cowards behind human shields of women and children! And that they don't pray every day for the painful slow death of every Jew in israel. But, of course, most of the world still eats their propaganda like Manna.
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b-happy6 months ago
It wasn't a fake. It was just that Hamas was the ones who bombed their own people. But because it wasn't the israeli's it doesn't count as real.
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sjones850146 months ago
it is a terrible what is going on in the mid east remember hamas has been shooting rockets into israel for quite some time enough is enough
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sjones850146 months ago
it is a terrible what is going on in the mid east remember hamas has been shooting rockets into israel for quite some time enough is enough
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malichimo6 months ago
Palestinians don not want peace. They want all Jews exterminated. They break the peace process every time. THEY are the ones that cannot except another religion. Gaza should be emptied out and given to the ORIGINAL owners of the land--THE HEBREWS.
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