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    Dionys11 months, 1 week ago

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    "There are plenty of fine examples of cooperation, generosity, even altruism among social non-human species."

    True enough. But I did think we were talking human morality and ethics with regards to the radio program.

    "I am a Rationalist with a smattering of Taoism, others might be Secular Humanists, or Existentialists"

    But many Taoists are theists. And what is "the way" if it is not simply another name for a deity? ;)

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      Tangent00111 months, 1 week ago

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      There are two forms of Taoism, as there is with most religions. The philosophical form of Taoism looks to examples in nature to guide human behavior by analogy. For example, rocks are hard and unyielding, yet the constant flow of supple water will eventually erode the rock away, so hardness is not always best confronted by hardness. In Lao Tsu's estimation, 'The Way' is simply extant by example, to be discovered through active contemplation, not some higher power, consciousness, or force that requires worship, lays down edicts, promises rewards, or threatens punishment.

      Yes, there is a 'magical' form of Taoism that seeks immortality through a kind of alchemy and reveres certain personifications of natural forces, but that is not the form to which I'm referring.

      The same dichotomy exists in Buddhism. Mahayana (Zen) is much more a contemplative philosophy than a religion, while Hinayana focuses more on the 'worship' of the Buddha himself. Sufi Islam is far more internal and meditative than Shia or Sunni. Christianity has a vast range of sects, from the contemplative deism, to the actively 'magical' Santeria.

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        Dionys11 months, 1 week ago

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        "For example, rocks are hard and unyielding, yet the constant flow of supple water will eventually erode the rock away, so hardness is not always best confronted by hardness."

        Yes yes..

        Mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.

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          Tangent00111 months, 1 week ago

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          I glean the same message from the teachings of Jesus.

          I always enjoy our exchanges, Dionys.

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            ForrestPhelps11 months, 1 week ago

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            "To the ignorant man, a tree is a tree, and a river is a river.

            To the learned man, a tree is not a tree and a river is not a river.

            To the wise man, a tree is a tree, and a river is a river - but they are not the same tree or the same river that the ignorant man sees."

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