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Posted By israeligirl1 11 months, 1 week ago in NewsAnyone blaming Israel for the current crisis is either ignorant of the facts or shows moral cowardice. The civilian deaths in Gaza are to be mourned, but in a sick and twisted irony, they are mourned more by Israelis than by Hamas, who know that every dead Palestinian kid is worth another piece of propaganda.
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engineer11 months, 1 week ago
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GrampyGas11 months, 1 week ago
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********. so basically the pro Israel side is saying anyone who doesn't side with Israel is a terrorist nutjob.
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If caring about human life, and not wanting civillians to die in a baseless attack is considered being a coward, then I don't want to know what you consider yourself as ..a God?
Propeller has such a pro Israel slant it's not even funny. Israel is occupying Palestine, I don't really care what happens about the land - I'm more concerned at how this attack is becoming pointless - it's an attack on the people, not on Hamas. They're killing more civillians then they are of Hamas - they kill families and kids, more then 46% of those dead are civillians the other 64% is comprised of either terrorists and those who's bodies are so charred or are unable to determine whether they were a civillian or not. These are stats coming straight from IDF - look it up yourself.
The ratio of deaths on Israel and Palestine is not even comparable, 3 Israelis died - and the death toll of Palestinians continues to increase it's already over 300. 3 Entire Families have been wiped out - that's entire families (aunts,uncles,fathers,mothers,children, grand children, grandparents etc).-
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BravoSierra10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Israelis used to have a moral response. They sent in teams on the ground to truly, surgically kill terrorists. Their soldiers/operatives got to wear a red medal for one year for taking part in an covert action behind enemy lines.
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People have taken up the mantra that certain fights are not worth 'losing a single soldier over". We hear this in the US in regard to Iraq.
When a soldier says a fight is not worth the loss of even one of his comrades what he's actually saying is that he doesn't believe in the cause or morality of the fight.
think about it...if you don't really believe in the morality of the fight...should you be in it?
Is it moral to send in air strikes and robots and drones to kill when you don't believe in a cause enough to sacrifice but it's not moral to send in a soldier to die for a cause you don't believe in?
I'm suggesting that if you are not willing to sacrifice, if you don't believe in your cause enough to die or order men to their deaths...it's immoral to be in the war in the first place.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Even the Israelis under fire from Hamas see that the Gaza attack is just corrupt Israeli politicians running an election with bombs. In this thread we can see which posters here condone crimes against humanity for zionist racism.
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Even in Sderot, Israelis Say No to Gaza Attack
It has been widely acknowledged that Israel began a public relations campaign soon after beginning their bombing campaign over Gaza. As usual, they have had plenty of help. One example of this was Alan Dershowitz's article "Israel, Hamas, and moral idiocy" which ran in the Christian Science Monitor on New Year's eve. In a tired tradition, Dershowitz tries to blame the Palestinians for making Israel kill them.
...I've been to Sderot: just over a year ago in November, 2007. ... I saw the devastating effects of the missiles from Gaza. Even though there had not been a death from these rockets in recent memory when I was there, I was not surprised to find that the missiles had inflicted an incredible mental wound on the residents. But I was surprised to find that although the people of Sderot who I met wanted the missiles to end they understood that militarism would not protect them. The people I met with were not calling for war, they were calling for negotiation. ... Even an IDF commander I met told me, off the record, "The Qassams [missiles] are like stones, there is no way to stop them. The only way is negotiation."
Even more amazing, residents of Sderot are organizing to try to end the attacks. Read the text of this petition signed by hundreds of Sderot's residents which has been posted at the website jews sans frontieres.
Clearly not all people in Sderot agree with these views, as has been shown. But it's also clear that Dershowitz and other proponents of the endless war will always use the people of Sderot as the cannon fodder they need in the moment. The residents of Sderot are primarily Mizrahi Jews, poor and working class, who have been settled on the periphery to play exactly this role. As much as Dershowitz might want to fight to the finish, those in the crossfire just want an end to the shooting.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Well is engineer advocating genocide again? Makes it seem like zionists are incorrigible "if it is my tribe, it can't be wrong" racists who will kill for a vile totalitarian ideology. We Americans should pay more attention to honest Israelis.
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Why Israeli Anti-Zionists do not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state
In recent times, the demand has been raised, by representatives of the State of Israel, and by its supporters abroad, to recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist as a Jewish state”. I am told that this demand is a debater's trick that was invented by Henry Kissinger several years ago. Be that as it may, what, if anything, is wrong with this demand?
If the goal is a negotiated peace agreement, or treaty, there is no need for recognition of “the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state”. If the goal is to sabotage the possibility of a negotiated agreement, this demand has been placed front and center. A couple of other examples, just to illustrate the preposterous nature of the demand: Has anyone ever asked the Catholics of Ireland to recognize the right of Ulster, or Northern Ireland, to exist as a “Protestant state”? Would we recognize the right of any state to exist as a “Hindu state”? As a “Muslim state”? Just to pose the question is to expose its nature.
But, maybe we are not talking about “Jewish state” as a state affiliated to the Jewish religion. Maybe we are talking about a state that is defined by the dominant ethnicity. In that case, the position does not get any better.
...we have had our fill of states whose raison d'etre is to preserve ethnic superiority and domination. One does not have to refer to the late unlamented “Aryan state”. Within recent memory, we had white-supremacist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. Whatever limits there are to analogies from and to these white supremacist regimes, we have learned that states that define themselves with reference to the domination of one ethnic group cannot claim legitimacy.
Israel and its allies insist that the Palestinian victims of Zionism must “recognize Israel as a Jewish state with a Jewish majority.” No one seems concerned about the fact that this ultimatum flies in the face of elementary democratic values regarding human equality and human rights. Israel’s backers seek to legitimize that which is illegitimate by any standard of democracy.-
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qantumreflection11 months ago
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You bring up valid ARGUMENTS but like all good CIVIL debates, you know the ones that a entails a distinct lack of WEAPONS, it can only happen when the parties involved are listening and willing to compromise.
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The irony I see is the side that has little and much to gain is the side refusing to participate, ie HAMAS. Other factions have conceded to srael's existence.
That alone should speak volumes to how the current action in Gaza should be interpreted.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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By the way, readers of propeller should be aware the "israeligirl" may be state military propaganda.
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Israeligirl Violates Digg TOS
But, one particular Zionist user stands out recently because of the number of articles this user has placed on the front page recently. And that user is IsraeliGirl. Here's her user profile page.
On that page, in the about section, it says:
I've been a marketing consultant to high tech companies for the last 10 years. I am also one of the founders of giyus.org, a pro-Israeli public diplomacy group.
So I went to GIYUS.org to see what kind of a group it is. There homepage is as you might expect.
http://giyus.org/
GIYUS it turns out is an acronym for Give Israel Your United Support. And here is what is displayed on the front page of GIYUS.org.
Today's conflicts are won by public opinion.
Now is the time to be active and voice Israel's side to the world.
Join the effort in 3 easy steps:
Download and install Megaphone desktop tool
Receive desktop alerts on key articles and surveys
Click alerts to easily voice your opinion
Help us by reporting relevant articles and surveys.
Together we can make a difference!
In case you don't now about Megaphone, it is described in Wikipedia as "the pro-Israel lobbying software tool". Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Megaphone.
The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the Giyus.org website. Released on July 19, 2006, it delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to subscribers so that they can voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front.
So now you can see the relationship:
IsraeliGirl->founder of GIYUS.org->distributor of Megaphone->pro-Israel lobbying software->work together to support Israel
http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel...
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orndorffter11 months, 1 week ago
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On both sides I worrie about the kids no matter who the are or where they come from. the children can help what is happening. so whos going to care and worrie about them? Looks to me nither side is worring, but I'am and I care they are unable to fight for themselfs.
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cheif11 months, 1 week ago
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All the Arab countries are not helping Hamas in this latest fiasco because they are sick and tired of their crap. They just won't leave it alone! They try to import rockets, so Israel blockades them. They shoot rockets over to Israel whenever they feel like it, even though there's supposed to have been a cease fire for the last 6 months, they never quit. By putting their launchers in schools, churches, mosques, etc...they know Israel will track the launch pattern back to where it originated and bomb it - thereby assuring what Hamas wanted to do - killing children and making the actions of Israel look terrible to the world. Anybody dumb enough to not see through their actions needs to stand in one of the Israeli towns and try to catch one of their rockets till you understand they won't quit until they're all dead - their ONLY purpose in life is killing all Israelis; the Palestinians are just pawns in their evil, cowardly ways. The civilians should get their chin up, begin killing the Hamas cowards, run them out of their country, and get this over with. The Israelis can't change the Palastinian government and get rid of these cowards, the people who live there have to do it...PLEASE...BEGIN TODAY!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
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Dionys11 months, 1 week ago
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"They shoot rockets over to Israel whenever they feel like it, even though there's supposed to have been a cease fire for the last 6 months, they never quit. "
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They shot rockets into Israel after Israel invaded Gaza to kill some militants (which broke the treaty). Technically Hamas didn't break the treaty, they just didn't renew it at the end of the six month period because they felt Israel had broken it when they crossed into Gaza to murder people.
"By putting their launchers in schools, churches, mosques, etc...they know Israel will track the launch pattern back to where it originated and bomb it"
Do you have proof of this, or is it just more Israeli propaganda?
"even though there's supposed to have been a cease fire for the last 6 months, they never quit."
They did quit. During the six months of the cease fire. Which was broken when Israel crossed into Gaza.
"The civilians should get their chin up, begin killing the Hamas cowards, run them out of their country, and get this over with"
I'm in agreement in terms of getting rid of extremists who will use violence to further their ends. On both sides of the equation.-
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Edmar1411 months, 1 week ago
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None of us has proof, however, Israel sends drones into Gaza daily to take photos and film of the launchings. Israel is not the only one to have video and proof. During the war in Lebanon, independent news coverage had photos of the same thing by Hezbollah. In Iraq, the US came upon the same problem and it happened in Afghanastan as well. It seems that this tactic is used quite effectively by terrorist organizations. The IRA used to bomb civilians in London. I think there is enough worldwide proof to make it stick.
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Dionys11 months, 1 week ago
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"The IRA used to bomb civilians in London. I think there is enough worldwide proof to make it stick. "
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So Hamas is launching rockets from hospitals, schools, churches, mosques because the IRA bombed civilians in London? I'm sorry. I just don't follow that logic. (Not to mention the fact that British loyalists/royalists killed easily as many Irish as the IRA killed British and that the British govt is essentially an occupying force/government in N. Ireland)
"Israel sends drones into Gaza daily to take photos and film of the launchings. Israel is not the only one to have video and proof."
Well if they have video and proof that these rockets are being launched from schools, mosques and hospitals, they should release them unedited. Unfortunately the last one they released is thought to be either faked or misrepresentative.
Wouldn't it be great if media from around the world could actually have reporters in Gaza to discover the truth? Why is Israel preventing the media from filming or reporting on what's going on in Gaza? What is it hiding?-
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Edmar1411 months, 1 week ago
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I never said that Hamas is launching rockets from hospitals, schools, churches, mosques because the IRA bombed civilians in London. You obviously either can't read, or you are like the rest of the Muslim press who can only report by twisting things to meet their viewpoint. What I said was "It seems that this tactic is used quite effectively by terrorist organizations." Reread what I said and see if this quote is in my post. Then maybe you'll understand why Israel isn't letting the media into Gaza. You just proved why they aren't being let in. BTW, the only ones who think Israel is faking it's videos are the Muslims. I haven't heard a single western journalist accuse Israel of that.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Well Edmar, you are aware that zionist admirers of the nazis invented the car bomb and first used it on civilians aren't you? Once a terrorist always a terrorist seems to fit the zionists perfectly.
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The Poor Man's Air Force
A History of the Car Bomb (Part 1)
... Buda's wagon was, in essence, the prototype car bomb: the first use of an inconspicuous vehicle, anonymous in almost any urban setting, to transport large quantities of high explosive into precise range of a high-value target. It was not replicated, as far as I have been able to determine, until January 12, 1947 when the Stern Gang drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing 4 and injuring 140. The Stern Gang (a pro-fascist splinter group led by Avraham Stern that broke away from the right-wing Zionist paramilitary Irgun) would soon use truck and car bombs to kill Palestinians as well...
...The members of the Stern Gang were ardent students of violence, self-declared Jewish admirers of Mussolini who steeped themselves in the terrorist traditions of the pre-1917 Russian Socialist-Revolutionary Party, the Macedonian IMRO, and the Italian Blackshirts. As the most extreme wing of the Zionist movement in Palestine -- "fascists" to the Haganah and "terrorists" to the British -- they were morally and tactically unfettered by considerations of diplomacy or world opinion. They had a fierce and well-deserved reputation for the originality of their operations and the unexpectedness of their attacks. On January 12, 1947, as part of their campaign to prevent any compromise between mainstream Zionism and the British Labor government, they exploded a powerful truck bomb in the central police station in Haifa, resulting in 144 casualties. Three months later, they repeated the tactic in Tel Aviv, blowing up the Sarona police barracks (5 dead) with a stolen postal truck filled with dynamite.-
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hyperbola11 months ago
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The Stern Gang, which rejected anything less than the restoration of a biblical Israel, now gave the truck bomb its debut as a weapon of mass terror. On January 4, 1948, two men in Arab dress drove a truck ostensibly loaded with oranges into the center of Jaffa and parked it next to the New Seray Building, which housed the Palestinian municipal government as well as a soup-kitchen for poor children. They cooly lingered for coffee at a nearby café before leaving a few minutes ahead of the detonation.
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"A thunderous explosion," writes Adam LeBor in his history of Jaffa, "then shook the city. Broken glass and shattered masonry blew out across Clock Tower Square. The New Seray's centre and side walls collapsed in a pile of rubble and twisted beams. Only the neo-classical façade survived. After a moment of silence, the screams began, 26 were killed, hundreds injured. Most were civilians, including many children eating at the charity kitchen."
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/76140/mike_davis_o...
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Spadecaller11 months ago
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"They shot rockets into Israel after Israel invaded Gaza to kill some militants (which broke the treaty). Technically Hamas didn't break the treaty, they just didn't renew it at the end of the six month period because they felt Israel had broken it when they crossed into Gaza to murder people."
That's spin. Good job, though.
Israeli Security forces uncovered a tunnel intended for immediate use to abduct Israeli soldiers into the Gaza Strip.
In June 2006 Gaza gunmen snatched Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier, when they infiltrated through a tunnel under the border fence into an Israel army base bordering on the southern Gaza Strip. Shalit is still being held at a secret location.
Palestinian militants (Hamas) FIRED over 30 mortar bombs at Israeli forces while they were attempting to destroy this tunnel.
This is the event that triggered the breaking of the ceasefire with Hamas on November 4, 2008.
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Spinning in support of zionist racism again Spade? Here is a description from an honest Israeli. By the way, Israel NEVER complied with the terms of the ceasefire, which required it to stop the blockade of Gaza. This was an intended act of war.
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How Israel is Multiplying Hamas by a Thousand
Molten Lead in Gaza
...“ISRAEL MUST defend itself against the rockets that are terrorizing our Southern towns,” the Israeli spokesmen explained. “Palestinians must respond to the killing of their fighters inside the Gaza Strip,” the Hamas spokesmen declared.
As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.
Those who decided to close the crossings – under whatever pretext – knew that there is no real cease-fire under these conditions.
That is the main thing. Then there came the small provocations which were designed to get Hamas to react. After several months, in which hardly any Qassam rockets were launched, an army unit was sent into the Strip “in order to destroy a tunnel that came close to the border fence”. From a purely military point of view, it would have made more sense to lay an ambush on our side of the fence. But the aim was to find a pretext for the termination of the cease-fire, in a way that made it plausible to put the blame on the Palestinians. And indeed, after several such small actions, in which Hamas fighters were killed, Hamas retaliated with a massive launch of rockets, and – lo and behold – the cease-fire was at an end. Everybody blamed Hamas.
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WHAT WAS THE AIM? Tzipi Livni announced it openly: to liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza. The Qassams served only as a pretext.-
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hyperbola11 months ago
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Liquidate Hamas rule? That sounds like a chapter out of “The March of Folly”. After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with...
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For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally....
...THE MAIN LINE was: not to repeat the mistakes of Lebanon War II. This was endlessly repeated on all the news programs and talk shows.
This does not change the fact: the Gaza War is an almost exact replica of the second Lebanon war.
The strategic concept is the same: to terrorize the civilian population by unremitting attacks from the air, sowing death and destruction. This poses no danger to the pilots, since the Palestinians have no anti-aircraft weapons at all. The calculation: if the entire life-supporting infrastructure in the Strip is utterly destroyed and total anarchy ensues, the population will rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime. Mahmoud Abbas will then ride back into Gaza on the back of Israeli tanks.
In Lebanon, this calculation did not work out. The bombed population, including the Christians, rallied behind Hizbullah, and Hassan Nasrallah became the hero of the Arab world. Something similar will probably happen this time, too. Generals are experts on using weapons and moving troops, not on mass psychology....
Millions are seeing these terrible images, picture after picture, day after day. These images are imprinted on their minds forever: horrible Israel, abominable Israel, inhuman Israel. A whole generation of haters. That is a terrible price, which we will be compelled to pay long after the other results of the war itself have been forgotten in Israel.
...This war is a writing on the wall: Israel is missing the historic chance of making peace with secular Arab nationalism. Tomorrow, It may be faced with a uniformly fundamentalist Arab world, Hamas multiplied by a thousand.
MY TAXI DRIVER in Tel-Aviv the other day was thinking aloud: Why not call up the sons of the ministers and members of the Knesset, form them into a combat unit and send them off to head the coming ground attack on Gaza?
http://www.counterpunch.com/avnery01022009.html
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cheif11 months, 1 week ago
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All the Arab countries are not helping Hamas in this latest fiasco because they are sick and tired of their crap. They just won't leave it alone! They try to import rockets, so Israel blockades them. They shoot rockets over to Israel whenever they feel like it, even though there's supposed to have been a cease fire for the last 6 months, they never quit. By putting their launchers in schools, churches, mosques, etc...they know Israel will track the launch pattern back to where it originated and bomb it - thereby assuring what Hamas wanted to do - killing children and making the actions of Israel look terrible to the world. Anybody dumb enough to not see through their actions needs to stand in one of the Israeli towns and try to catch one of their rockets till you understand they won't quit until they're all dead - their ONLY purpose in life is killing all Israelis; the Palestinians are just pawns in their evil, cowardly ways. The civilians should get their chin up, begin killing the Hamas cowards, run them out of their country, and get this over with. The Israelis can't change the Palastinian government and get rid of these cowards, the people who live there have to do it...PLEASE...BEGIN TODAY!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
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icono111 months, 1 week ago
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The use of human shields, especially women, children, and the old and infirm, is an old and effective tactic used by most, if not all, guerilla armies past, present, and probably in the future against cultures that value 'the quality of life' instead of the 'cult of death'.
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Not only is the tactic used effectively by current day 'media savvy' guerilla armies but in WW2 Stalin used the population of Stalingrad with their subsequent sufferings and deaths to bolster the resolve of the Russian army to fight the Nazi invaders.-
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rightfromwrong11 months, 1 week ago
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Castro didn't use them...all of the people in the hills and villages were on their side.
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Instead of them having to use innocents as shield maybe they could give Hamas some weapons and make it more of an even fight and maybe they can take down the prison walls surrounding Palestine.
Israel has made it a concentration camp.
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canadianrancher5711 months, 1 week ago
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For a moment I would like everyone on both side of this to stop and listen to something that I have been thinking about. When I look at the history of the US. I realize that there was a time in the western part of the country, or the wild west, that there was a mentality that is somewhat similiar to what is going on between Israel and Gaza. People carried waepons and if a dispute arose people used those weapons to defend themselves. What this led to though was an unending cycle of violence. The solution was to have a system of law. This was done to protect society in general and minimize the loss of innocent lives and also to stop the escalation of hostilities between parties. When I look at the world I see a community and I feel that as a community law and order must be maintained by an independant force. We do have such a group but for some strange reason those who formed this organization allowed certain countries a veto. I wonder how well the system of law would work in the US. if judges were allowed to veto legal action. The United States became a great country because of a constitution that treats all as equals and gives people rights, I feel that the world would be a better place if this process included all people.
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reidgator11 months, 1 week ago
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Canadian - for once, we agree. However, not everybody wants a "law and order" society with a "law & order" government where the power to govern lies with the governed (the people). Some people want a theocracy. Some want a "dictatorship", with their party in power.
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So what do we do?
Yes - we can continue to "preach the good news", but, many reject it and others simply do not believe it can work. In the meantime, innocent people (primarily children) are slowly and methodically being exterminated or subjected to horrible childhoods.
Will that be our legacy? We sat back, stayed out of the fight, and let millions of children live in horrible conditions or die, so we could preserve our "honor".
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canadianrancher5711 months, 1 week ago
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reidgator-I do not know what your beliefs are as far as religion go, but when I was a child and attending Sunday School I read a statement were Jesus said "Let the little children come unto me" or sort of along those lines. Today I look at that statement and feel that it is only the children that can be saved and have faith, since as adults we have to many ideas of our own to make sound judgements at times.
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orndorffter11 months, 1 week ago
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canadian,Psalm127verse 3, 4. Behold,"children are a heritrage from the Lord, The fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior,So are the children of one's youth. I would advise you to read more it goes on and talks more about the wife and children. and if you want o know more about Isreal you well find there in Psalms in many chapters, but dont get scard as you read ,he says fear no man only the fear of God. Psalms chapter128 verse 5 The Lord bless you out of zion, And may you see the good of Jerusalem. All the days of your life. he forgives for killing children. please keep reading you well know when to stop, And understand much more, and he does not condole the killing of the children and does punish, Jersualem is his chosen one. please read this is an opertunity to know and how to answere you questions.may God bless and be with you.
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jdhatl11 months ago
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Collective punishment is collective punishment. If you are bombing children, it is a war crime. They are not responsible for Hamas. They have been born into a nightmare situation. The people of Gaza are desperate, and will keep taking desperate (and basically ineffective) measures because they can't just sit still and let themselves be slaughtered. The pro-Israeli side never answers the issue of the disproportionate amount of casualties vis-a-vie Israeli civilians. There is no comparison. Collective punishment is collective punishment, you can't rationalize it away.
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orndorffter11 months ago
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No you can't, but seem as much as I keep talking about the children and them being lilled, its not right, God doed not like it, I look at those pictures of those little kids laying there dead and it breaks ny heart, that mostly all I have been saying is what about the children they are adults and know that there are children on both sides. Seems like no one cares, well I do. it makes no different to me who they are or wher they come from, now the laughter of the kids that once ring out well never be heard again because the adults can not stop this fighting they aer not going to grow up and be a kid or make up their mind in life what they want, because they cant, death took all that away from them, my comment about it are being graded down, but if they read what I told to read, everthing is not a bed of roses, This war has got to come to and end and soon, not for the sake of the ones who are doing all this ,but for the children on both sides. If not the children well vanish.
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orndorffter11 months ago
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I dont know anymore maybe I dont belong here because I care to much, many nights I have layed in bed not sleeping because of the childrn and the mothers, in my head I hear the screams of the mothers and the children, I cry and keep holding onto what hope I have left, many people do not care about my comments and one puts me on trial for being a nother person and I'am not.I just dont know anymore, I always knew that there was rude people but it has been shown alot. One person wouldnt come to my defence when I ask her to; and I thought thats what friends are for. others did, but she did not,I do as they ask i prop and I comment only a hand full comes to my defence.
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Natureboy11 months ago
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What a POS this propeller is.
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Lets try it again.
The article is another garbage piece of propaganda, painting a false picture of monolithic support and bogus, Bushlike "with us or against us" false dichotomy.
Even within the Jewish community, there is opposition to this atrocity. Read what the Shministim have to say-
http://jewschool.com/2008/12/29/14602/the-shminist...-
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Natureboy11 months ago
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Or, he says in a separate post to thwart the dysfunctional spamkiller, watch this video on the orthodox Jews in New York City protesting Israel and Zionism -
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http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/Martini/read/92...
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tikker6410 months, 4 weeks ago
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has anyone ever realized that there never in the history of mankind a government or people named palestine or "palestinian"?! there was a british ruled palestinian mandate after ww1 but never a country.check wherever you wish--these are nomadic homeless wanderers kinda like gypsies were. none and i mean none of the other arab countries want them and with their disdain for israel it serves a twofold purpose to fund the extremism. they could get rid of israel and have a hillbilly arab nieghbor
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