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engineer10 months, 4 weeks ago
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GrampyGas10 months, 4 weeks ago
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********. so basically the pro Israel side is saying anyone who doesn't side with Israel is a terrorist nutjob.
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If caring about human life, and not wanting civillians to die in a baseless attack is considered being a coward, then I don't want to know what you consider yourself as ..a God?
Propeller has such a pro Israel slant it's not even funny. Israel is occupying Palestine, I don't really care what happens about the land - I'm more concerned at how this attack is becoming pointless - it's an attack on the people, not on Hamas. They're killing more civillians then they are of Hamas - they kill families and kids, more then 46% of those dead are civillians the other 64% is comprised of either terrorists and those who's bodies are so charred or are unable to determine whether they were a civillian or not. These are stats coming straight from IDF - look it up yourself.
The ratio of deaths on Israel and Palestine is not even comparable, 3 Israelis died - and the death toll of Palestinians continues to increase it's already over 300. 3 Entire Families have been wiped out - that's entire families (aunts,uncles,fathers,mothers,children, grand children, grandparents etc).-

BravoSierra10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Israelis used to have a moral response. They sent in teams on the ground to truly, surgically kill terrorists. Their soldiers/operatives got to wear a red medal for one year for taking part in an covert action behind enemy lines.
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People have taken up the mantra that certain fights are not worth 'losing a single soldier over". We hear this in the US in regard to Iraq.
When a soldier says a fight is not worth the loss of even one of his comrades what he's actually saying is that he doesn't believe in the cause or morality of the fight.
think about it...if you don't really believe in the morality of the fight...should you be in it?
Is it moral to send in air strikes and robots and drones to kill when you don't believe in a cause enough to sacrifice but it's not moral to send in a soldier to die for a cause you don't believe in?
I'm suggesting that if you are not willing to sacrifice, if you don't believe in your cause enough to die or order men to their deaths...it's immoral to be in the war in the first place.
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Even the Israelis under fire from Hamas see that the Gaza attack is just corrupt Israeli politicians running an election with bombs. In this thread we can see which posters here condone crimes against humanity for zionist racism.
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Even in Sderot, Israelis Say No to Gaza Attack
It has been widely acknowledged that Israel began a public relations campaign soon after beginning their bombing campaign over Gaza. As usual, they have had plenty of help. One example of this was Alan Dershowitz's article "Israel, Hamas, and moral idiocy" which ran in the Christian Science Monitor on New Year's eve. In a tired tradition, Dershowitz tries to blame the Palestinians for making Israel kill them.
...I've been to Sderot: just over a year ago in November, 2007. ... I saw the devastating effects of the missiles from Gaza. Even though there had not been a death from these rockets in recent memory when I was there, I was not surprised to find that the missiles had inflicted an incredible mental wound on the residents. But I was surprised to find that although the people of Sderot who I met wanted the missiles to end they understood that militarism would not protect them. The people I met with were not calling for war, they were calling for negotiation. ... Even an IDF commander I met told me, off the record, "The Qassams [missiles] are like stones, there is no way to stop them. The only way is negotiation."
Even more amazing, residents of Sderot are organizing to try to end the attacks. Read the text of this petition signed by hundreds of Sderot's residents which has been posted at the website jews sans frontieres.
Clearly not all people in Sderot agree with these views, as has been shown. But it's also clear that Dershowitz and other proponents of the endless war will always use the people of Sderot as the cannon fodder they need in the moment. The residents of Sderot are primarily Mizrahi Jews, poor and working class, who have been settled on the periphery to play exactly this role. As much as Dershowitz might want to fight to the finish, those in the crossfire just want an end to the shooting.
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well is engineer advocating genocide again? Makes it seem like zionists are incorrigible "if it is my tribe, it can't be wrong" racists who will kill for a vile totalitarian ideology. We Americans should pay more attention to honest Israelis.
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Why Israeli Anti-Zionists do not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state
In recent times, the demand has been raised, by representatives of the State of Israel, and by its supporters abroad, to recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist as a Jewish state”. I am told that this demand is a debater's trick that was invented by Henry Kissinger several years ago. Be that as it may, what, if anything, is wrong with this demand?
If the goal is a negotiated peace agreement, or treaty, there is no need for recognition of “the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state”. If the goal is to sabotage the possibility of a negotiated agreement, this demand has been placed front and center. A couple of other examples, just to illustrate the preposterous nature of the demand: Has anyone ever asked the Catholics of Ireland to recognize the right of Ulster, or Northern Ireland, to exist as a “Protestant state”? Would we recognize the right of any state to exist as a “Hindu state”? As a “Muslim state”? Just to pose the question is to expose its nature.
But, maybe we are not talking about “Jewish state” as a state affiliated to the Jewish religion. Maybe we are talking about a state that is defined by the dominant ethnicity. In that case, the position does not get any better.
...we have had our fill of states whose raison d'etre is to preserve ethnic superiority and domination. One does not have to refer to the late unlamented “Aryan state”. Within recent memory, we had white-supremacist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. Whatever limits there are to analogies from and to these white supremacist regimes, we have learned that states that define themselves with reference to the domination of one ethnic group cannot claim legitimacy.
Israel and its allies insist that the Palestinian victims of Zionism must “recognize Israel as a Jewish state with a Jewish majority.” No one seems concerned about the fact that this ultimatum flies in the face of elementary democratic values regarding human equality and human rights. Israel’s backers seek to legitimize that which is illegitimate by any standard of democracy.-
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qantumreflection10 months, 3 weeks ago
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You bring up valid ARGUMENTS but like all good CIVIL debates, you know the ones that a entails a distinct lack of WEAPONS, it can only happen when the parties involved are listening and willing to compromise.
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The irony I see is the side that has little and much to gain is the side refusing to participate, ie HAMAS. Other factions have conceded to srael's existence.
That alone should speak volumes to how the current action in Gaza should be interpreted.
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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By the way, readers of propeller should be aware the "israeligirl" may be state military propaganda.
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Israeligirl Violates Digg TOS
But, one particular Zionist user stands out recently because of the number of articles this user has placed on the front page recently. And that user is IsraeliGirl. Here's her user profile page.
On that page, in the about section, it says:
I've been a marketing consultant to high tech companies for the last 10 years. I am also one of the founders of giyus.org, a pro-Israeli public diplomacy group.
So I went to GIYUS.org to see what kind of a group it is. There homepage is as you might expect.
http://giyus.org/
GIYUS it turns out is an acronym for Give Israel Your United Support. And here is what is displayed on the front page of GIYUS.org.
Today's conflicts are won by public opinion.
Now is the time to be active and voice Israel's side to the world.
Join the effort in 3 easy steps:
Download and install Megaphone desktop tool
Receive desktop alerts on key articles and surveys
Click alerts to easily voice your opinion
Help us by reporting relevant articles and surveys.
Together we can make a difference!
In case you don't now about Megaphone, it is described in Wikipedia as "the pro-Israel lobbying software tool". Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Megaphone.
The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the Giyus.org website. Released on July 19, 2006, it delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to subscribers so that they can voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front.
So now you can see the relationship:
IsraeliGirl->founder of GIYUS.org->distributor of Megaphone->pro-Israel lobbying software->work together to support Israel
http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2009/01/israel...
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