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    hyperbola12 months ago

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    Well is engineer advocating genocide again? Makes it seem like zionists are incorrigible "if it is my tribe, it can't be wrong" racists who will kill for a vile totalitarian ideology. We Americans should pay more attention to honest Israelis.

    Why Israeli Anti-Zionists do not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state

    In recent times, the demand has been raised, by representatives of the State of Israel, and by its supporters abroad, to recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist as a Jewish state”. I am told that this demand is a debater's trick that was invented by Henry Kissinger several years ago. Be that as it may, what, if anything, is wrong with this demand?

    If the goal is a negotiated peace agreement, or treaty, there is no need for recognition of “the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state”. If the goal is to sabotage the possibility of a negotiated agreement, this demand has been placed front and center. A couple of other examples, just to illustrate the preposterous nature of the demand: Has anyone ever asked the Catholics of Ireland to recognize the right of Ulster, or Northern Ireland, to exist as a “Protestant state”? Would we recognize the right of any state to exist as a “Hindu state”? As a “Muslim state”? Just to pose the question is to expose its nature.

    But, maybe we are not talking about “Jewish state” as a state affiliated to the Jewish religion. Maybe we are talking about a state that is defined by the dominant ethnicity. In that case, the position does not get any better.

    ...we have had our fill of states whose raison d'etre is to preserve ethnic superiority and domination. One does not have to refer to the late unlamented “Aryan state”. Within recent memory, we had white-supremacist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. Whatever limits there are to analogies from and to these white supremacist regimes, we have learned that states that define themselves with reference to the domination of one ethnic group cannot claim legitimacy.

    Israel and its allies insist that the Palestinian victims of Zionism must “recognize Israel as a Jewish state with a Jewish majority.” No one seems concerned about the fact that this ultimatum flies in the face of elementary democratic values regarding human equality and human rights. Israel’s backers seek to legitimize that which is illegitimate by any standard of democracy.

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      qantumreflection12 months ago

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      You bring up valid ARGUMENTS but like all good CIVIL debates, you know the ones that a entails a distinct lack of WEAPONS, it can only happen when the parties involved are listening and willing to compromise.

      The irony I see is the side that has little and much to gain is the side refusing to participate, ie HAMAS. Other factions have conceded to srael's existence.

      That alone should speak volumes to how the current action in Gaza should be interpreted.

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