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buckncindykill11 months, 4 weeks ago

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All good points radio. I credit your civility at the outset of our discussion. Much better then mine I'm afraid!

Clinton also believed that Saddam had WMD's, and for that, he apparently lied, misled the American people, and misled the new incoming administration. However, it's far too simplistic to suggest that GWB did not believe he was acting in the best interest of the American people. You obviously disagree, but if he did believe that, then you should only fault him for not thinking the way you do. Much as I disagree with Obama's $1 trillion dollar spending plan, but am far from villifying him.

I consider myself a conservative/traditionalist, which usually gets my head torn off on Propeller. My experience is, that if you oppose the policies of the sitting administration to such a point that it calls for a war crimes tribunal, that individual is a far left, socialist, atheistic, progressive nut job that stands in opposition. On the other hand, if you try to explain/defend GWB's reasons and positions for taking the stand that he did, you're a right wing, neo-con, fascist, religious wind bag.

I opposed many of his actions; especially immigration and the bailout fiasco. But I certainly do not want him imprisoned and destroyed because he believed in what he was doing. If the far left would let go 2000, then progress could be made between libs and cons.

Let me ask you something. Obama is for change right? Of his cabinet appointments, who qualifies as bringing significant "change"? Clinton? Pinetta? Daschle? Emanuel?

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  Sabretooth11 months, 4 weeks ago
  
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  So basically you feel you have the right to attack anyone as you see fit...hmmm, sounds kind of like a terrorist.
  
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  Candida11 months, 4 weeks ago
  
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  buckncindykill: "you should only fault him for not thinking the way you do."
  
  No, his fault is not that he didn't think the way Radio or I did. His fault is that he disregarded all the nations who disagreed with him and who reluctantly gathered up enough courage to block the mighty United States in the Security Council. When it became clear that a UN authorization wouldn't be forthcoming, he simply decided to thumb his nose to the whole international community and invade a country without provocation. That is a war crime.
  
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  Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 4 weeks ago
  
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  Fair enough. I will however refrain from commenting on Obama's choices for the moment, as I am not particularly pleased with many of them either. He did say all through the campaign that there would be no yes men in his cabinet so I am holding off judgment until actual policy is hammered out. I won't defend Reid or Pelosi, they never struck me as leaders of any measure. I don't believe we will be seeing any prosecutions of the Bush admn. from Obama, he seems to want to just put it behind him and move on and I really do believe he will be a compromiser, will listen to all ideas from right or left. But we'll have to wait and see. Though we disagree, I enjoyed the civil discourse and have learned a thing or 2 from the encounter, best to you buckncindykill ( I wouldn't mind hearing the story of your propeller "handle" if you want to PM me.)
  I suppose we may disagree on future threads but I will keep in mind you are no "bad guy" I promise!
  Peace
  
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    crespi11 months, 4 weeks ago
    
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    Obama can't really start off with the prosecutions. The Cons would harp on it and it might block his effectiveness at cleaning up their giant messes. Besides it's not his area.
    
    Let the Justice Department (who Bush screwed over royally) carefully gather the facts and let's see what they have accumulated in a few years.
    
    There is still time to prosecute.
    
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