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GLee11 months, 2 weeks ago

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What you do with your life is your business mntnman, just don't force your habits on others is all I/we ask. There are consequences for us all.

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    GLee11 months, 2 weeks ago
    
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    Smoking is fine with me as long as it's not forced on others. Now get back to 'jay' and have yourself a blast.
    
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        GLee11 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        It doesn't take much to entertain you 'people'.
        
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        Beeboppin7111 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        What are you 'people' going to do when you realize that all of the diseases that are being attributed to smoking continue to kill people long after smoking has been banned?
        
        Why do you worry about breathing second hand smoke for two seconds when you're breathing polluted air all day long? The smog that you see on satellites covering our cities has NOTHING to do with cigarette smokers. That smog is also responsible for many of the same health complications that cigarettes are taking the fall for. We're all going to have to eventually own up to our mistakes and face the fact that industry and autos are killing us. Our inventions that make our lives comfortable and save us time, will end up taking our very lives in the end.
        
        I'm not defending smoking. It's a disgusting and stinky habit. It's bad for the SMOKER. I just think there is far too much hysteria surrounding second hand smoke. There are real environmental issues that need to be solved. Let's channel our energy and funnel our dollars towards the real issues.
        
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        chevydog11 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        There's more than a little meat in there. I likerwise despise smoking ("disgusting and stinky"). It's undoubtedly a major cause of lung cancer. But we've all known or known of someone who has never smoked and died of the disease. So it's not a sole cause.
        
        I know that you took great care not to do this; but to not go after smoking because it's not a "complete" solution smacks of apologetics. Placed in another area of endeavor, it's sort of like saying that one shouldn't inflate tires properly because doing it won't "solve" our energy problems. IMHO, in each area every little bit helps. And, as I think anyone who's done problem solving can tell you, remove the largest effect and its "noise" and work on the minor effects is much more easily accomplished.
        
        Hving worked in industry all my life, I think that there's a certain paranoia about it born of ignorance. It's sort of a mantra in the environmentalist community that "no cost is too high". I think this had more validity when one was talking about higher pollution levels--less so at today's levels. There's a price for everything you do; and sometime, somewhere costs and benefits will cross.
        
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        chevydog11 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        Well yeah, not always. The one lung cancer death in my family (mother's side ) was a g-grandmother who never smoked. But she lived in an industrial town that unquestionably had crappy air quality; so who knows? One of her sons, my grandfather was a 3-pack a day guy; didn't die of lung cancer, but of brain cancer. Related? - again, who knows?
        
        I'm sort of an emphatic non-smoker. But it seems clear to me that there are other causes for lung cancer at work-- perhaps interactions -- than simply smoking. On that basis, I'm willing to suspend judgement to a point.
        
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        Beeboppin7111 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        "I likerwise despise smoking ("disgusting and stinky"). It's undoubtedly a major cause of lung cancer. But we've all known or known of someone who has never smoked and died of the disease. So it's not a sole cause."
        
        I think that we can all agree that if one is a smoker than there is a good chance that the smoker will have health issues. However, this article is about second - and now - third hand smoke. I seriously doubt that a major contributor to lung cancer is second hand smoke. Sure, there are asthmatics and others with health issues that would be better off not hanging around with a smoker, but is there enough of a danger to create this hysteria about second hand smoke? And now third hand smoke? Please.
        
        "Placed in another area of endeavor, it's sort of like saying that one shouldn't inflate tires properly because doing it won't "solve" our energy problems"
        
        But should under-inflated tires be illegal? It's not really the same thing. It's more like saying, "Your under-inflated tires are killing me. Inflate them immediately! No!!! Tires should be illegal! Tires are killers!!!"
        
        "I think this had more validity when one was talking about higher pollution levels--less so at today's levels."
        
        We are beginning to see the effects of those higher pollution levels from previous years on society now. That is why there are more regulations placed on industry today.
        
        My point is that pollution from industry is more harmful to any one individual than the effects of second/third hand smoke. Of course, it will be much more difficult for someone to give up their SUV than it would for those same people to cry wolf, and blame it all on cigarettes, just because they don't like the smell.
        
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        chevydog11 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        Second hand smoke I worry about, but probably not excessively. But if I die of lung cancer, we should probably blame the bowling alley that I frequented in the early 1970's.
        
        One the industrial pollution--I think we have more regs today due mostly to momentum, not because any more has been proven. The momentum IMHO is driven by the same ignorance and paranoia that drove the original ones (" can't be good for you"--probably true, etc.). I'm certainly not going to say that the original regs has no basis ; but I think that they were based on an ideology that in the end (and now) doesn't mesh with reality.
        
        In the industrial towns that I have some familiarity with, visible air quality today is much better than 40 years ago; I have to assume the same is true for non-visible stuff. If you told me that cancer cases in the 1990's were driven by air quality in the 1950's I'd put some credence in it; have a lot more problem with the link between the 1970's say and 2010. I've seen the changes.
        
        Think that some factors have changed over the years. One is diagnosis; things that weren't even recognized sometimes in the past are now their own "diseases". So who knows how common they were? Another changed factor is analytical abiility--we can find stuff now that before we didn't even know was there. An environmentalist can say "Of course it was there" and someone else can say "of course it wasn't"; but in the end nobody knows because nobody could or thought to analyze for that substance. It's a problem I always had when i worked in the industry--inevitably you'd ask what the level of X was then; and nobody knows because it wasn't measured.
        
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  jordan1111 months, 2 weeks ago
  
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  I'm an ex smoker. But when I did smoke, it was away from others. I agree that it should not be allowed in public places, other than those areas designated. But this 'third hand smoke' stuff is over the top. Your car emits more dangerous chemicals than 1000 smokers with chemicals clinging to their hair! So while I agree that smoking should be curtailed in public places, this new 'concern' is ridiculous when put in perspective.
  
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      GLee11 months, 2 weeks ago
      
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      I appreciate your opinion and continue to offer this....... please don't make me smoke with you. That is all I ask.
      
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