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    Tangent00111 months, 1 week ago

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    I partially agree. Science has been mistaken before, perhaps not on this scale, but it is possible there is a more potent source for the warming than greenhouse gasses. Currently, I find the data convincing and the underlying theory rational (there's nothing 'crazy' about the notion of steadily increasing greenhouse gasses trapping a steadily increasing amount of heat).

    In my mind, the increasing acidity in the oceans alone is enough to be concerned about our CO2 emissions. That has the potential to affect the primary protein supply for at least a third of Earth's population.

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      UpholdOurConsitution11 months, 1 week ago

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      Here's some 'science' for you Tangent:

      "Human contribution to atmospheric CO2 is actually quite small ... about 39 out of every 100,000 molecules of air are CO2, but humans contribute just 5 percent of total CO2. Moreover, it takes five years to go from 39 molecules of CO2 to 40 molecules, as nature absorbs about 50 percent of man’s CO2 emissions."
      Source: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:rgQR0QSCSOsJ:w...

      And here's the most interesting link (to me, anyway):

      http://www.m4gw.com:2005/m4gw/faq.html

      Penn & Teller did a good episode about Global Warming on their Showtime series Bulls**t. Penn is incredibly abrasive and obscene, but the information they provide is pretty impressive. Their conclusion is also impressive, IMO, considering they admit that they really just don't know for sure what's causing the earth to warm.

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        Tangent00111 months, 1 week ago

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        This same article states: "...pre-industrial atmospheric levels of car-
        bon dioxide were 270 parts per million (ppm),while today’s
        levels are around 385 or 390 ppm..." That's a 40% increase. Are you telling me that is NOT going to have an effect?

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        UpholdOurConsitution11 months ago

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        Oh man! How in the world did that get flagged as spam!?!? Argh! Damn Propeller!!! Okay, one more time...

        Yes, that is exactly what I'm telling you Tangent. Your statistic of 40% is only for a period of less than 100 years! OVERALL, humans only contribute 5% of TOTAL CARBON EMISSIONS ON EARTH. So, your "40%" is merely a statistical manipulation to make it look like a dramatic increase. But the scale is too small. When you look at the big picture, you see that...

        "Through glacial core sampling, climatologists have been able to liberate the earth's atmosphere from Antarctica and Greenland as far back as 400,000 years. They have found that there is a correlation between CO2 and the earth's surface temperature. The change in CO2 lags behind the change in temperature by 800 years. This proves that CO2 does not drive the change in temperature. Instead, temperature drives the change in CO2 in the earth's atmosphere."

        But what drives temperatures then?

        "The earth's climate is dynamic. It is always changing. There were periods in the earth's history where the climate was much warmer and much cooler than it is today. The current warming period is known as the Modern Warming Period. It was preceded by the Little Ice Age (LIA), which occurred around 1650 to 1850 AD. The LIA was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), which occurred around 800 to 1300 AD. There was also a warming period after the last great Ice Age called the Holocene Climate Optimum, and it occurred around 7000 to 3000 BC. The last great Ice Age ended 10,000 years ago (i.e., 8000 BC). During this time, the earthÕs surface temperature was 7o Celsius cooler than it is today. Looking at climate through a geological time frame, we would never suspect CO2 as a major climate driver because none of the major climate changes can be explained by CO2, man-made or otherwise."

        But then, why do temperatures seem to be rising?

        "A common misconception amongst the general public is that temperatures are rapidly increasing. This is only with some of the surface data, and it is selected surface data. In fact, much of the surface data that is collected is around urban areas or areas, which have had significant land use changes. And, that data is contaminated. Most cities of the world are hotter than their surrounding environment. This has nothing to do with CO2 but has everything to do with land use. On the other hand, satellites provide comprehensive coverage of the earth 24/7. Satellite data from the last 29 years has demonstrated that there has been an almost imperceptible rise in temperature in the northern hemisphere from 1980 to 2002 and a slight decline from 2002 through 2007."

        All this quoted info was from the second website I referenced in my original response. That's why I said it was "most interesting";-)

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