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Posted By Natureboy 10 months, 3 weeks ago in ReligionReligious Jews protest against Israel in New York city; explaining that conflict between Arabs and Jews is political, not religious as Zionist/Israeli propaganda would have you believe.
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Even in Sderot, Israelis Say No to Gaza Attack
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It has been widely acknowledged that Israel began a public relations campaign soon after beginning their bombing campaign over Gaza. As usual, they have had plenty of help. One example of this was Alan Dershowitz's article "Israel, Hamas, and moral idiocy" which ran in the Christian Science Monitor on New Year's eve. In a tired tradition, Dershowitz tries to blame the Palestinians for making Israel kill them.
...I've been to Sderot: just over a year ago in November, 2007. ... I saw the devastating effects of the missiles from Gaza. Even though there had not been a death from these rockets in recent memory when I was there, I was not surprised to find that the missiles had inflicted an incredible mental wound on the residents. But I was surprised to find that although the people of Sderot who I met wanted the missiles to end they understood that militarism would not protect them. The people I met with were not calling for war, they were calling for negotiation. ... Even an IDF commander I met told me, off the record, "The Qassams [missiles] are like stones, there is no way to stop them. The only way is negotiation."
Even more amazing, residents of Sderot are organizing to try to end the attacks. Read the text of this petition signed by hundreds of Sderot's residents which has been posted at the website jews sans frontieres.
Clearly not all people in Sderot agree with these views, as has been shown. But it's also clear that Dershowitz and other proponents of the endless war will always use the people of Sderot as the cannon fodder they need in the moment. The residents of Sderot are primarily Mizrahi Jews, poor and working class, who have been settled on the periphery to play exactly this role. As much as Dershowitz might want to fight to the finish, those in the crossfire just want an end to the shooting.
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Justice4All10 months, 3 weeks ago
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is not only religious jews in NY who are protesting against the attack. Israeli jews are also protesting.
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Where's the Academic Outrage Over the Bombing of a University in Gaza?
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/05/where39s...
Not one of the nearly 450 presidents of American colleges and universities who prominently denounced an effort by British academics to boycott Israeli universities in September 2007 have raised their voice in opposition to Israel’s bombardment of the Islamic University of Gaza earlier this week. Lee C. Bollinger, president of Columbia University, who organized the petition, has been silent, as have his co-signatories from Princeton, Northwestern, and Cornell Universities, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Most others who signed similar petitions, like the 11,000 professors from nearly 1,000 universities around the world, have also refrained from expressing their outrage at Israel’s attack on the leading university in Gaza. The artfully named Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, which organized the latter appeal, has said nothing about the assault.
While the extent of the damage to the Islamic University, which was hit in six separate airstrikes, is still unknown, recent reports indicate that at least two major buildings were targeted, a science laboratory and the Ladies’ Building, where female students attended classes. ...
..the Islamic University is the first and most important institution of higher education in Gaza, serving more than 20,000 students, 60 percent of whom are women. It comprises 10 faculties — education, religion, art, commerce, Shariah law, science, engineering, information technology, medicine, and nursing — and awards a variety of bachelor’s and master’s degrees. Taking into account that Palestinian universities have been regionalized because Palestinian students from Gaza are barred by Israel from studying either in the West Bank or abroad, the educational significance of the Islamic University becomes even more apparent.-
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Those restrictions became international news last summer when Israel refused to grant exit permits to seven carefully vetted students from Gaza who had been awarded Fulbright fellowships by the State Department to study in the United States. After top State Department officials intervened, the students’ scholarships were restored — though Israel allowed only four of the seven to leave, even after appeals by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
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How should academics respond to this assault on an institution of higher education? Regardless of one’s stand on the proposed boycott of Israeli universities, anyone so concerned about academic freedom as to put one’s name on a petition should be no less outraged when Israel bombs a Palestinian university. The question, then, is whether the university presidents and professors who signed the various petitions denouncing efforts to boycott Israel will speak out against the destruction of the Islamic University.
Neve Gordon is chair of the department of politics and government at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
Jeff Halper is the Director of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD)
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> ...conflict between Arabs and Jews is political, not religious as Zionist/Israeli propaganda would have you believe.
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We're yet to see ONE "Zionist/Israeli propaganda" source claiming that conflict between Arabs and Jews was religious.-
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh it is not a complicated situation thinker.
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Silence on Gaza is Complicity - We’re All War Criminals Now
The conflict causing this violence is not centuries old. Nor is it too complex to address. Prior to 1900, Jews and Palestinians lived together in Palestine for generations without the extreme levels of hatred and violence which now exist. With the advent of Zionism, the political movement to establish a Jewish state in all of historic Palestine, tensions began to escalate. The leaders of the Zionist movement sought to control more and more of what they considered to be land promised to them by God. In 1947-48, the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist militias and the creation of the Jewish state of Israel began the conflict in earnest.
Since then, Israel’s continued seizure of Palestinian land through the establishment of illegal settlements in the West Bank has accelerated the aggression. In addition, Israel has refused to abide by UN resolution 194 which guarantees Palestinians the right of return to or compensation for lands taken from them during the war in 1947-48. As a result of that war and the 1967 war Israel expanded well beyond the borders alloted to it by the original partition of Palestine and has been in violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as the terms of the original United Nations partition plan since its inception.
Though rarely if ever spoken about in any media source, the real reason for the conflict in Palestine is not Jews or Palestinians, it is the Zionist colonization of Palestine. Zionism, a virulent form of ethnic nationalism, fosters a culture of exclusivity and entitlement within Israeli society. Jews are “The Chosen People” living in “The Promised Land.” These inherently racist attitudes create an atmosphere which legitimizes collective punishment and human rights abuses against Palestinians simply because they are not Jews. Jewish lives are valued more than Palestinian lives. This attitude was epitomized by the statement of extreme right wing Israeli Rabbi, Eliyah, in April of 2008. “The life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs."
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Such ignorance on the part of those Jews. They obviously do not read about what is really going on there. They do not look into what the charter of Hamas says. They believe the al taqiyya (acceptable lying by Muslims) of people like hyper here spreading the Muslim lies.
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That document states that the ONLY ACCEPTABLE solution is for Israel to be obliterated and Sharia law to be instituted. They use the Quran, hadith, and Muslim scholars of the past to support the actions that they are proposing.
That fact takes it out of the realm of politics and into the realm of religion. How do you come to an agreement with an organization whose avowed aim is to obliterate you because of religious reasons?
Try and explain that away hyper and natureboy. Read the Hamas charter before you try.-
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Don't lie to us Endo. In 2006 Hamas agreed to modify those parts of their charter and offered a long term truce to Israel. Both Israel and the US never answered, but instead began a vicious campaign of starvation. More important would be to listen to real jews and address the genocidal nature of pseudo-jewish zionism.
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Why Israeli Anti-Zionists do not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state
In recent times, the demand has been raised, by representatives of the State of Israel, and by its supporters abroad, to recognize the State of Israel’s “right to exist as a Jewish state”. I am told that this demand is a debater's trick that was invented by Henry Kissinger several years ago. Be that as it may, what, if anything, is wrong with this demand?
If the goal is a negotiated peace agreement, or treaty, there is no need for recognition of “the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state”. If the goal is to sabotage the possibility of a negotiated agreement, this demand has been placed front and center. A couple of other examples, just to illustrate the preposterous nature of the demand: Has anyone ever asked the Catholics of Ireland to recognize the right of Ulster, or Northern Ireland, to exist as a “Protestant state”? Would we recognize the right of any state to exist as a “Hindu state”? As a “Muslim state”? Just to pose the question is to expose its nature.
But, maybe we are not talking about “Jewish state” as a state affiliated to the Jewish religion. Maybe we are talking about a state that is defined by the dominant ethnicity. In that case, the position does not get any better.
...we have had our fill of states whose raison d'etre is to preserve ethnic superiority and domination. One does not have to refer to the late unlamented “Aryan state”. Within recent memory, we had white-supremacist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. Whatever limits there are to analogies from and to these white supremacist regimes, we have learned that states that define themselves with reference to the domination of one ethnic group cannot claim legitimacy.
Israel and its allies insist that the Palestinian victims of Zionism must “recognize Israel as a Jewish state with a Jewish majority.” No one seems concerned about the fact that this ultimatum flies in the face of elementary democratic values regarding human equality and human rights. Israel’s backers seek to legitimize that which is illegitimate by any standard of democracy. -
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, here is another fanatic cheering genocide from afar. Real jews don't think much of your attitude and are tired of being used by zionists.
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Jews sans frontieres: Sderot Jews Condemn Gaza Attack
Despite the ongoing rocket attacks on their town from Gaza in the last several years, some 500 Sderot residents have recently signed a petition calling to stop the IDF operation in the Strip and renew the truce with Hamas.
The tragedy of Sderot is that nobody in Israel cares about the people of Sderot beyond the lip service to their utility as sacrificial lambs for the "national cause" (i.e. the cause of ethnic cleansing and apartheid.)
Well, some Sderot residents are stepping up to the task and speaking for themselves. Their petition calls on the government to keep the peace is here in Hebrew. Unfortunately no translation, but see my translation below.
the petition continues:
On the other side of the border live a million and a half Palestinians under unbearable conditions, and most of them want, like we do, calm and the opportunity of a future for themselves and their families.
We live in the feeling that you have wasted that period of calm, instead of using it to advance understandings and begin negotiations, as well as for fortifying the houses of residents as promised.
We call on the Prime Minister and the Defense minister not to listen to the voices of incitement and do everything they can to avoid another round of escalation, to secure the continuation of the calm and to work...towards direct or indirect negotiations with the Palestinian leadership in Gaza in order to reach long term understandings.
We prefer a cold war without a single rocket to a hot war with dozens of victims and innocent fatalities on both sides.
We ask you to offer us the possibility of political arrangement and hope and not an endless cycle of blood.
This petition has been gathering signatures in Israel since the 11th of November. Needless to say, it was ignored by the murderous office holders of Israel.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/06/jews-san...
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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There is one haunting reality that gnaws at me each time I read or see George Bush Jr. justifying the wars with Israel and Iraq; I know that U.S. corporations provide many of the weapons, the missiles, the mortars, the rockets, the guns, and the ammunition for all the participants involved in the fighting, which Hamas, Hezbollah, and Israel use against each other.
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The idea of long protracted wars that have no possibility of a definitive solution -- are the perfect means for generating ongoing revenue for the warmongers machinery to stay in operation. The business of war preys on the hatred of bitter rivalries. The Iraq and Vietnam wars were never wars that needed to be fought, but they were sold to the American people by lies and fear mongering.
The Israeli and Palestinian people are also being exploited; not just by their militant fundamentalist leaders,or by vengeance, bigotry, and hatred, but by the corporations that profit from their fighting.
Did Dick Cheney and George Bush Jr. ever really care about weapons of mass destruction? Of course not. They care about making money. Does Bush really want peace in the middle east?
He dosn't give a rat's ass; he is a ruthless business man.
The propaganda against Israel and the Palestinians is piled so high only a fool can claim they really know the truth.-
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> There is one haunting reality that gnaws at me each time I read or see George Bush Jr. justifying the wars with Israel and Iraq;
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Frankly, I do not recall that George Bush Jr. ever justified wars with Israel. I'm afraid that you've confused President George Bush Jr. of the United States with the late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran who justified wars with both these countries.
In addition, I do not think that Israeli people are being exploited byt their "militant fundamentalist leaders" as I'm not aware of any such leaders. Even the most extreme Israeli leaders did not and do not go as far as the "moderate" Palestinian, Syrian or Iranian leaders do as no Israeli leader ever demanded destruction of any state.
I wonder, however, what gnaws at you each time you read about Hamas missiles exploding in Israeli cities.
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canadianrancher5710 months, 3 weeks ago
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When I read the title of this I would have to leave out the Religious part, it is not so much an issue of Religious Jews as peaceful Jews. There are three types of people when it comes to war. There are those who would not fight under any circumstances and would die at the hands of the enemy, these people are few and far between. Then there are people who believe in peace who under certain conditions will go to war,[and I do believe at times there are just wars]. Then there are those who will fight any war or promote war at all times for their own reasons.
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The difference between the peaceful warrior and just a warrior is the peaceful warrior will fight but leaves the door open to peace, were one who lives for war will not open the door ever.
These Jewish people are likely peaceful warriors, they would fight if they thought this was a just war, which they likely feel it isn't.
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