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Thinker2210 months, 4 weeks ago
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> ...conflict between Arabs and Jews is political, not religious as Zionist/Israeli propaganda would have you believe.
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We're yet to see ONE "Zionist/Israeli propaganda" source claiming that conflict between Arabs and Jews was religious.-
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blowback10 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
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http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
Zeev Sternell emigrated to Israel from Poland in 1951.
He is Léon Blum Professor of Political Science.
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel.
His resumé includes co-editor of The Jerusalem Quarterly
and member of the editorial board of Journal of Political Ideologies.
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have to agree that the best way to fight two emenies is to make these enemies fight each other.
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I DO NOT agree, however, that Israel "created" Hamas. This and all other organizations of Arab terrrorists were created by the Palestinian and other Arabs.
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Anybody in their right minds that as the real knowledge of how this mass started finds that statement both repugnant and laughable. Hamas is an outgrowth of a Muslim semi terrorist organization Muslim Brotherhood started in 1928. Israel was not a country at that time. The Muslim Brotherhood was committed to peaceful means except in Palestine and certain other places. The Muslim Brotherhood was not bloodthirsty enough for the group breaking off and creating Hamas in 1987. Then people say that Israel created Hamas. Ignorance abounds.
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blowback10 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Hamas: Ceasefire for return to 1967 border
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Top Hamas official Mahmoud al-Zahar tells CNN ‘long-term truce’ possible if Israel withdraws to pre-1967 borders, releases Palestinian prisoners; as to possibility Hamas would renounce terror, Zahar says, ‘Israel is killing people and children and removing our agricultural system - this is terrorism’
Yitzhak Benhorin Published: 01.30.06, 08:17
Until Israel says what its final borders will be, Hamas will not say whether it will ever recognize Israel, Zahar said. "If Israel is ready to tell the people what is the official border, after that we are going to answer this question."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3207845,...-
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blowback10 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Climbdown as Hamas agrees to Israeli state
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· Negotiator says group recognises right to exist
· Hope for end to crippling sanctions on Palestinians
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
The Guardian, Thursday 22 June 2006
Hamas has made a major political climbdown by agreeing to sections of a document that recognise Israel's right to exist and a negotiated two-state solution, according to Palestinian leaders.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/22/israel-
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blowback10 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Hamas omitted its call for the destruction of Israel from its election manifesto, calling instead for "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem."
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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Israel made a much longer way toward peace with the Palestinians as it specifically agreed to an Arab Palestinian state and NEVER called for destruction of any state.
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Further, a cease-fire is just that, a temporary stop of fighting so the sides will, possibly, have a chance to negotiate a peace agreement. As such, a cease fire can not and should not be linked to any pre-conditions. If Hamas was willing a cease-fire it would just ask for a cease-fire. It's that simple.
Hamas' "political climbdown" is equivalent to someone saying "Let us stop fighting for now as you're obviously stronger than I am... if you give me your wallet, your Rolex and your car keys. Tomorrow, however, I'll kill you". -
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Hamas omitted its call for the destruction of Israel from its election manifesto, calling instead for "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem."
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This is a pretty laughable claim as there are only TWO possibilities to end the conflict.
One is to divide Palestine creating TWO states there, one for the Arabs adn the other for the Jews. The other is to create ONE "indedpendent state whose capital is Jerusalem" that will be either a Jewish state or an Arab state.
Will the "independent state whose capital is Jerusalm" be a Jewish one or an Arab one according to Hamas calling? What is your opinion, blowback?
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Go and read the Hamas charter. They have NEVER repudiated that and it is on the internet for all to see along with some of the other terrorist organizations.
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Hamas demands among other things.
1. The complete destruction of Israel and creating Sharia law to be in force there.
2. That when Islam ever conquers a place it MUST remail under Islamic control.
3. They ignore all outside organizations and governments trying to create peace there.
They use the Quran and sunnah giving the example of Muhammad to back up these demands. Therefore they are coming into this from a religious perspective. Why else would young men be willing to strap on a bomb and go into an area to be a suicide bomber. They believe when they do this they are a Muslim martyr that died killing the enemy and therefore go straight to paradise.
Anybody trying to say this is not religious is missing many brain cells. Go and look up the Hamas charter.
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jordan1110 months, 3 weeks ago
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Zionists make it relgious too. They say 'god' gave them the holy land. Christian zionists agree with them, and instiggate settlements against UN rules. And before you bash the UN, it's them who gave Israeli's their home in the first place.
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> Zionists make it relgious too. They say 'god' gave them the holy land.
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This is not exactly true as Zionism is a SECULAR movement.
Furhter, UN is not and was not a real estate agent and it did not and does not distribute real estate. It's the PEOPLE of Israel who created their home just like people of any other country did.
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jordan1110 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have researched it for a very long time. Zionism includes religious and traditional ties of the Jewish people to Israel. To varying degrees, Jewish Zionists may believe and do believe that 'god' gave them the holy land & christian zionists believe once they take it christ will return. Regardless of what the more secular movement thinks, those two hard line groups have helped to worsen the situation between the 'Palestinians' and Israeli's.
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Thinker2210 months, 3 weeks ago
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> To varying degrees, Jewish Zionists may believe and do believe that 'god' gave them the holy land ...
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This is written in the BIble so religious people (those believing in the Bible) also believe in the Biblical promises. Zionism, however, was created as a SECULAR movement by SECULAR people. Now please consider the fact that about 80% of Israelis are SECULAR.
> ...those two hard line groups have helped to worsen the situation between the 'Palestinians' and Israeli's.
Can you elaborate on this please? I'm interested to know how exactly the religious Zionists helped to worsen the situation between the 'Palestinians' and Israeli's, if you don't mind.
For example, do you think that without them Palestinian "hard line groups" like Hamas or Islamic Jihad would be LESS determined to eliminate the Jewish state?
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Poor jordan ignoring history. Jews were mostly kicked out of Israel or Judah in 70 AD when Rome came in to get rid of the rebellion. Some Jews stayed there and their descendants are living there to this day.Sometime after 700 AD the Muslims attacked the world and captured this area at that time. In the middle ages the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) asked for help from the Pope. There were two letters requesting help from the Muslims attacking them. Travelers to Jerusalem were being attacked and robbed, killed, and sold into slavery. That along with the letters cause the Pope to start the Crusades.
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The Crusades attacked ant took the land that Israel occupies. That lasted about 200 years. Islam took it back and went on conquering again. Starting in the middle 1600's Jews started going back to their homeland. By 1840 there was a very significant number of Jews there. In WW1 Britian conquered the area and ended up officially in charge of Palestine in 1920. That was the beginning of the British mandate. Britian had a solution going back to the Balfour document of creating a Jewis and Muslim states. The Jordan River was to be the border. The League of Nations ratified that solution. After a back and forth with Germany in WW2 the British were back in charge. They then with the auspices of the UN created the two states in 1948.
Key point here is the British had ownership of the land. They gave the Jews one part and the Muslims another part. It was not "owned" by the Muslim governments at that time. That makes all of the blaming Israel for taking the land a Muslim lie. It was given to the Jews to set up a government. Then and to this day there have been a significant number of Muslims living there as Israeli citizens.
At that time Gaza was owned by Egypt and the west bank was owned by Jordan. The Muslims that left Israel at the order of the Muslims going to attack Israel either went to those areas or went back to Israel. Those who went back live there peacefully today. The term Palestinians was not used until the 1967 war. After Israel conquered those areas then the term Palestinian was started. At that time Israel tried to treat the "Palestinians" just like the other Muslims living there. They were part of Israel and had the rights of citizenship They rejected that and the terrorism began. So why when they got Gaza back did they not stop being terrorists. Read the Hamas charter and find out.
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hyperbola10 months, 4 weeks ago
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Oh it is not a complicated situation thinker.
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Silence on Gaza is Complicity - We’re All War Criminals Now
The conflict causing this violence is not centuries old. Nor is it too complex to address. Prior to 1900, Jews and Palestinians lived together in Palestine for generations without the extreme levels of hatred and violence which now exist. With the advent of Zionism, the political movement to establish a Jewish state in all of historic Palestine, tensions began to escalate. The leaders of the Zionist movement sought to control more and more of what they considered to be land promised to them by God. In 1947-48, the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist militias and the creation of the Jewish state of Israel began the conflict in earnest.
Since then, Israel’s continued seizure of Palestinian land through the establishment of illegal settlements in the West Bank has accelerated the aggression. In addition, Israel has refused to abide by UN resolution 194 which guarantees Palestinians the right of return to or compensation for lands taken from them during the war in 1947-48. As a result of that war and the 1967 war Israel expanded well beyond the borders alloted to it by the original partition of Palestine and has been in violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as the terms of the original United Nations partition plan since its inception.
Though rarely if ever spoken about in any media source, the real reason for the conflict in Palestine is not Jews or Palestinians, it is the Zionist colonization of Palestine. Zionism, a virulent form of ethnic nationalism, fosters a culture of exclusivity and entitlement within Israeli society. Jews are “The Chosen People” living in “The Promised Land.” These inherently racist attitudes create an atmosphere which legitimizes collective punishment and human rights abuses against Palestinians simply because they are not Jews. Jewish lives are valued more than Palestinian lives. This attitude was epitomized by the statement of extreme right wing Israeli Rabbi, Eliyah, in April of 2008. “The life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs."-
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