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Posted By Radiofreeeuropa 11 months, 3 weeks ago in Science & TechnologyThe Theory Of Absolutely Everything
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The Moon Is not There When No One Looks At It
There were six wise, blind elephants who were discussing what humans were like.
They could come to no agreement, so they decided to determine
what humans were like through direct experience.
The first wise, blind elephant felt the human, and declared, "Humans are flat."
The other wise, blind elephants, after similarly feeling the human, agreed.
Often called the Copenhagen interpretation. Objects, everyday real things, "float on a world that is not as real." (Bohr, Heisenberg.) The emphasis on uncertainty reminds me of Buddhism, at least the anti-realism aspect of it.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The universe of Quantum Physics is a strange and beautiful place.
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And you are at the center of the eye of the storm.
Up is down.
A mathematical equation that requires human consciousness as a major factor in it's solution.
The Tao?
Or Superstrings?
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Eagle_Eye11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Quantum Physics is the Universal Energies equation....it made me understand the universe
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Sting theory, awesome!
Are they the same, I have an idea that they work together.
This can get really deep......I have to reflect on it a bit to further grasp
"Neural nets--
webs spun of the fine fabric of the universe
whose threads reveal their composition
to be of webs of even finer fabrics of universes ad infinitum...
echoes and reflections,
gradients of reverberating colors;
blending seamlessly in a pallet of nothingness,
(Pitch black and white light! Which is all colors? Which is none?)
creating a painting of eternity for we casual observers to perceive,
at least peripherally;
kind of reminds me of my acid trips in the 60's-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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String theory is sort of it's own thing I believe but it attempts to unify quantum mechanics and gravity (gravity, one of the forces we easily can observe has been a nightmare to fit into physical theories!)
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I believe pondering quantum physics is possibly just as "expanding" as psychedelics in terms of opening the ol' doors of perception!
Don't try this at home kids!
That was a little poetry sort of...inspired by theoretical physics ...molecular mysticism... and the big note theory!-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not a physicist, nor do I even play one on tv. Though my daughter is, and I can generally hold my own in conversations with her or her fellow researchers. I'd like to think my interest in seeking the truth of the nature of things had something to do with her path...but I'm just a hobbyist. I believe since quantum mechanics is a set of principles underlying the most fundamental known description of all physical systems; that string theorists, who are seeking the nature of the most fundamental "thing" are part of the quantum research as well.
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Beau789011 months, 3 weeks ago
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Excellent post, Radio! Very well done. Some great stuff there about the hermaneutic nature of scientific, philosophical and cultural thought. (And the first example I've seen in a long time of an acceptable use of the term "paradigm shift.")
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To the point of arriving closer to a full explanation of reality, I suspect you're right that the further quantum physicists (or cosmologists, going the other direction) investigate, the more questions arise, in an infinitely recursive discovering of new and unexplained phenomena. Much like your example of zooming in or out of graphic depictions of fractals.
That's not to say such study is useless, though...to the contrary, I believe it's all about the discoveries made and new forms of modeling created during the process of investigation. -
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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IF A MAN ALONE IN THE WOODS SPEAKS...
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The question was raised: "If a man alone in the woods speaks, and his
wife cannot hear him, is he still wrong?"
I have considered this question in light of the principles of Modern
Physics and offer my thesis, dedicated to my wife, who anchors me in
reality.
In the year 1900 Max Planck discovered that the energy of light is
quantified. In 1905 Albert Einstein used Planck's Constant to write the
theory of the Photoelectric Effect, that light behaves as a particle
when it comes to energy transfer. Louis de Broglie proposed that
particles can have a wave nature and this fact was later verified.
These discoveries led Neils Bohr to propose a radical theory of the
atom, which was partially successful in explaining the emission spectra
of the hydrogen atom. Neils Bohr was compelled to introduce the
Principle of "Complementarity," that light is both a particle and a
wave.
The modern theories were extended when Max Born showed that the
distribution of energy was a function of probability. Further, Warner
Heisenberg wrote the Principle of Uncertainty, which says that it is
impossible to determine the exact location of an electron and the vector
direction of its momentum at the same time.
This was followed with the master stroke penned by Erwin Schrodinger.
Using the "Psi function" of Quantum Mechanics, Schrodinger could map the
"wave field" of any particle, thus giving us a theoretical explanation
for the structure of an atom and the entire periodic table of the
elements.
The Quantum mechanics predicts that a wave of a single frequency would
stretch out to infinite proportions, the superposition of a narrow range
of frequencies produces a standing wave function which can be localized
to a much more precise location. Thus the electron and its position
within an atom becomes a cloud of probability.
From this I infer that there are such states as being right and being
wrong, within certain parameters of uncertainty. Applying the Psi
function, the more vague the statement of the man the greater the
probability of him being correct. The narrower and more specific his
utterance the greater the likelihood of his being wrong.
Also, the Principle of Complementarity assures us that if a man alone in
the woods speaks, and his wife can not hear him, he is BOTH right and
wrong until he comes out of the woods.
In the analogy of Schrodinger's Cat, the cat in the box is both dead and
alive until someone opens the lid. The act of observing the phenomenon
determines the outcome.
Thus, the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't matter what the man
says only his wife can determine whether or not he is correct.-
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sound does not exist without hearing.
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Sound is as much a product of observation as anything can be.
It is a product of the mind in response to a sensed pressure wave.
A tree falling when no one is there to hear makes no sound.
Just a pressure wave in the air that has gone unnoticed and unsung...it is as if the event never was.-
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sound does not exist without hearing.
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Ah but the sound waves are still there are they not?
Just as the pressure wave of the tsunami is there before it hits the shallows and the sea rises and comes into shore with it's devastation, whether eyes see see it or not. The unseeing and un-hearing is still devastated by the force of the unseen and unheard pressure wave.
Man doesn't have to perceive things for them to exist.-
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Tangent00111 months, 3 weeks ago
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The waves are not sound until interpreted as such by the brain responding to their action upon the tympanic membrane. Sound is a product of the mind.
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Is there a pressure wave in the air? ...yes. Is it sound? ...no
The waves will act in the same manner upon any acoustic membrane. Would those waves pushing upon an audio speaker equal sound...no...it would generate an electrical current but there would be no incidence of what humans perceive as "sound".-
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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That may be scientifically true, but even when not heard the waves are still there,,,,, that's my point.
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The wind is blowing the grass in my back yard, I can't hear the wind, but I see the grass moving because of it. If I wasn't here to chronicle this would the wind not exist?
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Beau789011 months, 3 weeks ago
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"caught up in semantics." ??? Maybe, but I don't think so.
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You do bring up an interesting point about whether light exists without observation...does anything?
What is sensed as sound...unlike light, travels by compressing a medium. It is dependent upon that medium in order to be observed.
Light is a completely different form of energy.
Light can travel in a vacuum...light exists not only as a wave but also as a particle.
Can you "see" electricity? (sometimes you can, but you do not have to be able to see it for it to kill you) It is an electromagnetic wave the same as light. What about the low infrared or far violet end of the spectrum? They are unobservable by the human eye...yet you will still cook if exposed to enough of either.-
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Beau789011 months, 3 weeks ago
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No doubt your grasp of physics far exceeds mine...but aren't light wave/particles as a form of energy similar to the pressure waves slate and I think of as sound?
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The question of whether anything exists without being observed brings up an interesting (to me, anyway) philosophical topic. Our own experiences of what we perceive are altered by the way we process the stimuli that causes those perceptions. Does that mean there's no objective reality and that we all live in separate worlds? Some people hear voices no one else can. Do those voices exist in reality? How do we know if the color I call yellow looks the same as the one you do? And as Wittgenstein noted, what does it mean for me to say "I have a headache"? You certainly couldn't argue with me that I don't, since for me to make that remark simply describes my own experience, which you cannot share or directly observe. So how can we even communicate about the world, if it only exists in our own perceptions?-
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Similar in the sense that under certain conditions they will both propagate as a wave.
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Here is an example of the difference between the two.
If a tree fell in a vacuum would it make a sound ?...the answer is emphatically no. There would be no "sound" wave because there would be nothing for the energy of the event to compress. There would be nothing audible to be observed at any level
If a source of light were present in that same vacuum you could see the tree fall. The light would propagate irrespective of the environment.
So that begs the question that if the tree is in a dark vacuum does it exist at all...under those conditions we don't know if there is a tree or not.
I have to agree with you about the subjectivity of perception. I think the level of awareness varies from individual to individual and agree that even when we are all looking at the same thing there is no certainty we all "see" the same thing.
As to HOW we actually communicate...whew...I dunno. Think about all the ways we communicate without using any words to do so.-
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Beau789011 months, 3 weeks ago
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My belief is that there's some innate empathetic response triggered when we attempt to communicate about our own experiences that allows us to believe they're being shared.
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It must be quite lonely in Wittgenstein's world...probably even more so ever since he died. -
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HannibalBarca11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Newton said "for every action there is a reaction" so a tree in a vacuum falling may not create sound, but maybe some other phenomena that is yet to be discovered is present.
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Sounds to me in a way like trying to light a match at the bottom of a pool of water, cause it won't light does that mead there is no fire ??
But then again, I am not into science as deep as this thread is.
As for the man in the woods speaking and maybe him still being wrong (according to the better half) there is also this thought : A man sits in his living room and his wife comes out of the kitchen and gives him chit, what did he do wrong....He made the chain to long.....lol
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kobzikov11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The word "sound" has multiple definitions, alakazam. Picking one does not negate others. If there is no agreement on which definition is under discussion, then there is no communication possible, just people talking past each other about different things.
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For instance, first two definitions of the word "sound",
1. the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium.
2. mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium, traveling in air at a speed of approximately 1087 ft. (331 m) per second at sea level.
One of these definitions requires a mind, the other does not. If you can't decide which one is being used by a speaker I suggest using Principle of Charity.-
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh...I am not arguing the point out of any ill will.
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The thread is about subjectivity and observation...I am just rolling along with an idea.
I would hope no one has been offended...it certainly was not my intent.
But for the sake of argument, definition #2 is particularly used to mean those vibrations composed of frequencies capable of being detected by ears.
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kobzikov11 months, 2 weeks ago
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I didn't mean to imply that you were arguing out of ill will and I apologize if that's how I came off. I was simply saying that it is important to make sure that participants in a discussion are discussing the same thing in order for communication to take place as opposed to people talking past one another.
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Though even if we were to suppose that sound is mechanical vibrations of a particular range of frequency, which I see no problem with, such as those detectable by human ears that does not actually require an observer of any kind. Simply defines mechanical vibrations within a certain range of frequencies as "sound" without observer entering into the picture.
One more thing that I wanted to add, although I imagine you probably know this. The reason observation is important when talking about phenomena at elementary level is because the act of observation has an effect on the experiment. At subatomic level we can't really look at an electron or photon or other subatomic particles, I think, without affecting the particles, because we look with other subatomic particles. I think usually with a photon stream.
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lvrofwolves11 months, 3 weeks ago
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RFE, LOL, before I even read the story I thought of that very same question...
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The question was raised: "If a man alone in the woods speaks, and his
wife cannot hear him, is he still wrong?"
Thus, the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't matter what the man
says only his wife can determine whether or not he is correct.
BUT only if she knows he spoke, if she doesn't know, in all probability he is still wrong, it's just she doesn't know it.
If human eyes do not see something, does it still exist? for the humans no, for the something, and in reality yes. We do not have evidence of everything that has ever existed....so many ifs and buts and it's 8am, maybe I should be fully awake before I start intentionally sending my brain into such pondering chaos. -
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jaern11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not if a tree falls on him. Now the question becomes, if a tree falls in the woods and there are no survivors, did it make a sound? ;)
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Thanks for a most enjoyable read with my morning coffee. I shared your websites link w/ a few friends. -
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Progressive11 months, 3 weeks ago
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kobzikov11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think I will defer to Paul Erdos on the issue,
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Since "women are "bosses"" and married men are captured slaves. Women are always right. It comes with territory.
That's probably why Erdos never married.
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DarkWizard11 months, 3 weeks ago
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RFE,
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I concur with others here who have deemed this article above par (ok...quite amazing!).
You have a penchant for posting articles that delve into both the history behind the thoughts and actions we are playing out and into the alternative thinking on the realities we base our perceptions on.
"Reality is an undivided wholeness."
I believe that we are unable to mathematically lock down predictions because we don't understand the relationships between the "whole" and its "parts." This is because the variables we put into the mathematical equation are not bound by the laws of said equation.
Truly, an alchemist (or a Wizard) has a better chance of predicting the future because he/she is not bound by the restriction of incomplete rules and understands that "chaos" will play a apart in most outcomes that are not just theoretical.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It struck me (like a lightning bolt) that quantum mechanics "justifies" alchemy in ways chemistry can not! And it's statistical extrapolations model Taoist thinking as well.
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Talk about becoming one with the universe!
All notes lead to the same song.-
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DarkWizard11 months, 3 weeks ago
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FTA - "If we could show the entire fourth dimensional object for each function, we would see all of the possible solutions to that function. But, there is no way to accurately depict a 4D object in 3D space, much less on a 2D computer screen, so fractal generators render the second dimensional cross-sections or "slices" of those fourth dimensional objects."
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One of the reasons it is hard to understand reality as an undivided wholeness is because we cannot stand back from this phenomena and observe it in 4D. And, even if we could, we'd have to be able to comprehend seeing the implications of multiple alternatives. -
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greenmac11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Eagle_Eye11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Maybe a preview of the ride...
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Quantum Physics makes sense....matter is energy generating at different frequencies......it explained so much to me.
High School chemistry didn't do it for me, atoms, nuerons, bla bla bla didn't connect in my head. But becoming very "Metaphysical" in my belief system Quantum Physics helped me in my head understand the "Universal Energy"
Am I making sense??? Or do I need to give it up for tonight.....-
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=733yuH9Z2tQ
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Nice Singularity Music
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Do quantum physics also break down at the singularity of the rabbit hole? The thought makes me mind feel furry. It already take all the 17 IQ I have just to navigate this thing in front of me with buttons on it with squiggle marks on it.
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HannibalBarca11 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Question isn't IF there is a Rabbit Hole...the Question is how deep it goes.
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Well this rabbit may have the answer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cfTMdjkYM
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jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago
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For a fern, my uneducated guess would be that that the DNA starts at one point and goes outward, reproducing itself on each outward 'branch'.
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Michael Barnsley discovered the Collage Theorem for reproducing a fern image by feeding a digital fern image to a computer and instructing the computer to find the fractal formula. Starting with a tiny image of the formula, the computer then built the same image on top of itself, becoming gradually larger until a beautiful three dimentional fern image is formed. So in my less than evolved mind, I figured that meant the fern originates from one cell, moving outward. -
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hyperbola11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually developmental biology has investigated "morphology" quite extensively. There is only a single DNA code, but it can be expressed differentially in space (e.g. at the tip of a budding leaf) and time (when it is time to bud). It is that differential expression that generates morphology.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Crux of the Bisquick is that man's understanding of the physical universe is connected to the social fabric, economic systems, politics,arts,and spiritual systems he designs.
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That there are huge shifts in all of these things.
What shifts can we anticipate because of the advent of quantum physics?
Or is the realization of a quantum universe the result of a shift elsewhere...art...music...or are these simply random acts of synchronicity?-
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'd say the biggest shift would be super computing for the masses, that way we can debate at much faster rates!
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I saw a program where they are trying to make light 'stop' so it can be used to send information over, even in the nano realm which would apply to computing as well as other areas,
It's all heady stuff.-
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ybdogsct11 months, 3 weeks ago
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SLATE :
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"I saw a program where they are trying to make light 'stop' so it can be used to send information over, even in the nano realm which would apply to computing as well as other areas,"
Yes, this was first achieved by Dr. Lene Hau at Harvard (and independently by Dr. Ronald Waldsworth and Dr. Mikhail Lukin, also at Harvard). Other studies have followed claiming to have achieved the same effect but through slightly modified procedures.
Here are the journal articles for further reading, if you're interested.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v409/n6819/fu...
Nature 409, 461-462 (25 January 2001)
"Stopping light in its tracks"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v426/n6967/ab...
Nature 426, 638-641 (11 December 2003)
"Stationary pulses of light in an atomic medium"
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Certainly in a Newtonian version of the universe that would "seem" absolutely true and obvious. The extrapolations of quantum equations suggest otherwise though. The mere fact that our senses detect only 3 dimensions...and we conceptualize a 4th in a universe where at least 11 dimensions are used....(some String models require 11 dimensions to become "right" or viable.) What is "real" what is "not" become quite debatable. To have a brilliant mathematics wiz like Von Neumann posit that only one kind of stuff exists, quantumstuff, & that ordinary objects are "made" of it. That at some point the wave function, the very possible nature of quantumstuff, "collapses" into a single statistical probability, a quantum jump which somehow "creates the world." Where does this occur? The only logical answer appears to implicate human consciousness as the setting of the wave function collapse. It's Ironic that Von Neumann, the wizard of cybernetics & strategic game theory, should have been forced to develop a math which suggests that human consciousness must be written into any complete explanation of Quantum Reality! It's a mathematically supported concept of a radical monism, in which "matter" & "consciousness" cannot be distinguished except as modalities of a single reality.
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think the universe also uses Bisquick--it metaphorically "builds" on endless combinations of artifacts. But, in one sense, everything is an artifact. I think that's why so many are easily lured into a belief in an entity making it happen instead of seeing it as a natural process.
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flyonthewallzz11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Radio:
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This is one cool ass piece of writing!
I am one of those rare folks that actually applies Euclidian geometry to the real world on a daily basis. It kind of works as long as you do not step on it too hard with repetition too hard. Dealing with radiuses and circles is always cleaner if the formulas can be turned into triangles and the results are much more predictable than using Pi. (Pi is okay for estimating but sucks for actually cutting). The Fractal thing is something an old carpenter can relate to without a bit of hesitation. Kind of one of those “like no sh!t, of coarse things”. The pattern will progress and actually fall into the Vitruvian proportions.
The Mandelbrot “bug” is real in my shop.
It is funny that the numbers that play in the areas of circles and the “Golden Section” are all prime, and screw with my computer controlled machines.
I dig it! I think God was screwing with us by giving us ten fingers, and we where dumb enough to base our system of counting on that.
Math is definitely metaphysical. Symbols represent values.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I thought you might like this fly.
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A great carpenter or woodworker-luthier indeed has an inherent insight into mathematical thinking. Quantum physics is already implied in what they create and how they create it...if viewed within a certain light anyway...sounds like it's a no brainer for you!
I confess it's taken me years of reading and thinking to get a grip on it, but with every article or paper, or book I've read it rang true and it seemed to represent more than just math. -
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lvrofwolves11 months, 3 weeks ago
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About the man who lives in a rainbow, sees all numbers and letters as colors....very strange, I saw him on some documentary.
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http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2002/03/5...-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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''sees all numbers and letters as colors..''
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screw numbers and letters
SOUNDS
now that's the ticket
all my life I've tried to play music, I realized my ears were no good early on and wrote notes on my guitar and memorized the fretboard to try and compensate [it doesn't] Frankly its been a little like a fish trying to tap dance in loafers. I lack the necessary equipment
But imagine if you heard a C and it was blue, then a C# lighter blue [I think E would be black, thanks to Sabbath]
I never did acid, but people have told me it blurs the senses and one can sometimes 'see' music
But to see a true 'chromatic' scale...I am speechless at the prospect and the implications for recognizing notes and chords and keys and all that other stuff I only half understand
Blues in C#
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wtagg11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have played with many, many musicians and one of my friends has perfect pitch and he described it to me exactly the same way. He has a hard time understanding why others cannot do or experience the same thing. I could blow into a beer bottle and he would instantly tell me the pitch of the note and how flat or sharp it was. He would ask me "How can you not tell what color blue is?" Uncanny.
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I remember him filling in for the guitar player in a band I was playing in and he did a great job (actually better than the guitarist we had) with no rehearsals. I ask him how much practicing it took to have the songs down like that and he sheepishly replied that he hadn't sat down and learned any of the songs (3 hours worth). He said he just listen to the tape a couple of times.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am obliged to comment since music is my true area of endeavor.
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When I was a student, I traveled to take guitar lessons from Pat Martino the jazz sage. Though my teenage mind was not capable at the time to understand the implications of his direction, his main focus was forget scales, forget notes, think colors! (Pat had a brain aneurysmabout 20 years ago, lost his memory, and had to relearn to play from scratch. Last I spoke to him he did not remember teaching me, but his playing was remarkable non the less. His new theory? Music must be conceptualized as a matrix. Think of your guitar fretboard for instance...it is both linear (up or down) and non linear (moving sideways string to string) with a third "dimension" if you will, being added by the players personal choice or interpretation. Ironically it seems this dances around "quantum" thinking in a way! -
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DarkWizard11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Tommy Bolin was said to have that same talent. He could hear something once and play it back perfectly without ever reading the music. I was saddened when he died. He was such a great talent.
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Anyway, I liken this ability to someone that has a photographic memory. I have that partially where I can actually see the words on a page I've read along with everything else going on at the particular moment. I have to concentrate harder now than I used to and I purposely try not to remember things because I can't enjoy them a second time if I remember all the details. Music is an exception as it can reveal new aspects each time I hear a piece.-
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wtagg11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It seems that unfortunately the most gifted are in some way the most troubled. Tommy would be an example.
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My gift is in seeing how things are put together work. Whether it is complex cabinetry, a synth, a computer program, etc... I just see it in my head like a big blueprint.
I also have a gift/curse of being able to see how a series of events can play out over time. Believe me it is a curse at times, when dealing with my wife. She doesn't seem to appreciate me telling her how something will turn out 3 weeks down the road based on a decision she wants to make today.
Can't say I blame her.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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How then do we understand the rise of the neocon politics? They certainly do not reflect even an awareness of a quantum universe.
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I posit that consciousness is like the physicist's "wave". That the extreme conservatism embodied in the politics of the last 30 years and the rise in popularity of fundamentalism is not an action, but a reaction. It's not the peak but rather, the trough.
For many, the ideas of relativity have not even yet fully been mentally digested...there are proponents of these movements that are having trouble with Newton, let alone Einstein...and A quantum universe is way way way out of even a peripheral glance. These movements are the low water mark. A pathetic attempt to cling to the consciousness of a much older era.
A rejection of scientific inquiry altogether. Imperialism...theocracy...torture...suspending Habeas Corpus and the like represent a yearning for the 12th century and it's paradigm.
This is a Newtonian reaction (equal and opposite!)
The advent of Quantum Mechanical thought pushes the human consciousness in one direction and it's opponents pull in the other.
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Eagle_Eye11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"How then do we understand the rise of the neocon politics?"
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LOL, I' mg going to get in trouble but I would say "Satan"
For every action there is an opposite equal reaction, yin for yang, positive negative...
Your getting to heavy for me to discuss tonight!!!!!
At times it is best not to try and understand every thing, just know that God (an Universal Energy since every thing is energy) does exist and Quantum Physics is it's mathematical equation wrapped with colored strings.....lol-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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LOL! I was exploring backwater eddies of the idea in the piece that as consciousness of the nature of things changes, so do our social -political-economic-creative endeavors.
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's actually really nice to know and talk to people who are looking in those directions.
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People that believe that there is a final answer out there even they do not know if they will ever find it are honestly seeking Truth.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I've always been a seeker, a quest for truth or meaning has been the underlying cause of most endeavors in my life... this area seems rich with answers.
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Religions (and I've explored quite a few) didn't have the answers (most didn't have a lexicon to even ask the questions). Philosophy, Psychology, Art all seem to coalesce into a unified modality when viewed in light of quantum mechanics.
In my field, as a musician, I sometimes see these principals displayed in music and lyrics I wrote many years ago indicating that though I in no sense was aware of "quantum facts" on any conscious level...my subconscious was well aware. What a strange, elegant and beautiful universe this is!
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I think the "spirit" of that is as good an answer as any EE.
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Those who are consumed with lust for power and arrogant enough to consider themselves Gods...yeah, sounds like Satan to me.
So many people try to recreate God in mans image.
If God were in everything he would be that underlying force...He would have to be in order to encompass it.
This thread isn't about religion..but it's in that infinite ultimate source of all things I see God.
If we can process information with our puny little minds how much more so could all that is.
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am interested in the principle of reality collapsing under observation more than you would believe...
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Imagine if you could step outside time and observe a human.
It would appear as a long, singular, protoplasmic mass...like an amoeba. A big tube through space.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was listening to a conversation about string theories between a couple of physics professors and though I don't recall the point they were actually discussing one replied that the theory did not "work" until the 11th dimension was taken into account!
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11 mathematically predicted dimensions?
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Multiverse ?
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I can buy that...I dunno if enough energy exists to create a new universe at every point but I can accept the crux concept.
A guy named Larry Niven wrote a real interesting story where Sen. Proxmire goes back in time to cure Heinlein of his TB because he hates science fiction and figures that will derail RAH's writing career.
It was a BAD idea,
When he gets back Proxmire finds out what Heinlein MIGHT have done.
As a Leader of the United States Space Force, Admiral Heinlein is doing quite well.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The best of the Sci fi writers seemed to think in these terms pretty easily.
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I always loved Vonnegut, aside from the astute observations, great story telling, and innocent -yet somehow sardonic wit; the way time was not a line in his stories.
Or if it was, the points on the line were flexible to say the least!
All the "beat" guys seem to reflect a similar line of thinking about the universe and their position in it too. Though in a different fashion...more implied I guess.
Then there is Richard Brautigan! As sublime a genius in literature construction as we are likely to see! He too reflected the "quantum" consciousness!
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Eagle_Eye11 months, 3 weeks ago
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""f in fact, our universe exists in 11 (or more?) dimensions, and we only perceive 3 or 4 (2 in the case of people who are cartoons) ...well it boggles the imagination to be certain!""
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Now, isn't that some thing to think about, there are things out there in the world that we can't even see!
From my work with animals I know they see things I don't.
The whole Universe is mind blowing.
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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So many people try to recreate God in mans image.
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God created man in his 'image' after billions of years of evolution.
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yes indeed-y
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to a cat, all thing are here to serve the cat
I always like to pretend mine likes me tho, and isn't just liking my servitude to him, and that his purring isn't just a reflection of his own contentment and basking[gloating?] in that knowledge
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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pets are an interesting combination of entertaining and annoying
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dogs are cool but a lot of work, and I prefer cats f-you attitude. I had some cool dogs tho...one called Little Joe after Bonanza, one called Blackie, one mean one called Blue that had the bizarre habit of burying part of its food [outside dog] as bait to catch rats and whatever else. It would bury the food and hide around the doghouse and wait, I guess, never seen the hunting technique, only seen the food burying and the bodies. Now that I think of it, might not have been a hunting thing, might be a coincidence and the dog was just burying its food. I always assumed it was planned out, owing to the dog's somewhat evil nature
I saw a dog a neighbor had that musta understood 25 different words, and could tell 'door' from 'floor' and knew 'refrigerator' etc, so I never put the hunting thing with bait as past a dogs intellect
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Pout, I was hoping to visit one thread that didn't morph into a political discussion of how bad neo-cons were. alas, all that knowledge and we still return to the base of human snakiness.
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It really popped me universal bubbles floating into infinity.
Groan, and yet once again, no mention of liberals, except that it's the opposite of neo-cons (Satan),,thus liberal mean goodness (God),, groan intellectualism is dead.
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jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago
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Disparaging remarks of ideologies aside, there is theory to the fractal nature of human social experience. And that's where my brain snaps shut. I can't understand it from that dimension. I can appreciate the fractal quality of a tree, but not of an action. Dang, I just confused myself.
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CRYMTYPHON11 months, 3 weeks ago
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But being fractal, the act of confusing yourself is mirrored on the smaller scale, and on the larger, - meaning God (higher scale) and the school board (lower scale) are now confused as well.
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Of course in the previous paradigm, the Neutonian counter-action means that someone, somewhere thanks to you, is now less confused about themselves;
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin11 months, 3 weeks ago
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well it depends what the man is allergic to...I'm allergic to long periods of sobering reality, for instance
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and occasionally need a little 4-6 hour green relief capsule
someone gave me 4 allergy relief potions that looked suspiciously like wine bottles over the holidays. There was foreign writing on the labels, so I wasn't sure of the dosage. But I went with 'as needed' and it worked out ok and I felt better
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Maybe if you examine it with less granularity it will make more sense. Look at how thought spreads, for example, and various "ages" come into being. It's a flow or diffusion of thought--and it never saturates thinking, although it does reach a tipping point because it saturates behavior. People pretend to believe, for example, in order to fit in, to be accepted, and to protect themselves from punishment or banishment.
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So a religious movement can spread widely, although if you check the fine grain, you see people not really following it (I don't know of any Catholics in my neighborhood that don't use birth control, for example). Yet, they are still in mass every week and consider themselves part of the congregation.-
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jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago
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So you're saying to view it more as a concept than tangible? I'm still having trouble with it. I guess my error is in trying to make it visible, & am trying to fit the fractal concept into the same picture for all circumstances. I wonder if there is a visual, within the brains of people who assume the same thought....
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Slate, I apologize for making it seem banal. But the thrust of the article IS that our political - spiritual- artistic thinking is tied to our perception of the universe! I would argue briskly that the "neo conservative" was (or is) not the opposite of liberal as it bears little in common (other than lipsevice) to any conservative ideas I'm aware of. I don't associate the Bush-Cristol-Wolfowitz-Cheney crew with any real conservative ideas. Their opposite would be anti imperialist, anti militant, fiscal conservatives, who adhered to the constitution and told the truth. In no way was the purpose to start flaming between political nomenclature that means nothing in a quantum universe.
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Only saying that the politics and "religious" thinking of the last 25- 30 years seem to not reflect my thesis: that man's paradigms include connections art-politics-spiritual etc. to it's understanding of the universe. That it makes sense as the trough of a wave.
For the record
Generally,
"liberal" thought is not always right and conservative thought is not always right.
Nor are either always wrong.
Conservative thinking must be combined with liberal thinking for instance to solve our energy problems. Ecology maintenance is actually a conservative action.
These all seem to get very lost in how we see ourselves within a narrow spectrum.
I have plenty of beliefs that would be classified as conservative in an objective sense.
I stand against stupidity, greed, militarism and anti- intellectualism- not conservatism.
I stand against fundamentalism not spirituality.
I hope you understand.
American politics is a micro - microcosm in which these terms have connotations that make little sense in a larger setting. Unfortunate semantics at play.
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Because of complex language and the nature of the human nervous system. Language was a later development, and it is easily used to set rigid states. People operate out of systems built up from experience, a house of cards, if you will. They learn what to give attention to and what may be safely ignored. They build on the ground and lay out strawman structures which they test as they shore up the structures.
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Notice how little kids learn through endless cognitive dissonance. They learn how something "is" and after it becomes part of the background, they are able to see exceptions. But people cling to the constructs, and eventually lose sight of what is metaphor and what is real.
That's why "witches" are still burned, girls and women are denied access to practices and human rights in patriarchal religions, and gays are considered abominations by fundamentalist groups. It's the nature of culture and human development.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I believe willottica was offering a possible solution to the question of why in such a time of great revelations in Physics, we also see a "reversion" in political and spiritual matters. Let's agree the word religion means the various brands of doctrines and dogmas, not "god" or spiritual beliefs per se.
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alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am there with you concerning "organized" religion...there are very few things in the world that irritate me more.
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I view the search for personal spirituality by the individual in the completely opposite light...a person seeking for the truth of their place in the universe is something I have the greatest respect for.
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CRYMTYPHON11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Crymtyphon dons a tweed jacket, slaps a degree on the wall, pulls out a cherrywood pipe and poses against a statue of Sir Isaac.
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"Why yes, RadioFree, - of course I see what you suppose you are trying to express here."
Professor Crymtyphon fumbles with the pipe, coughs.
"I recall the poet Milton, blind you know, - wandered into a garden shed. He touched some rope, fell against a sheet of canvas, grabbed a garden hose, knocked against a pillar, and then came out insisting that there was an elephant in there!"
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Was communism the catalyst? I suppose that's a chicken or egg type of question.
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Isn't it somewhat ironic that capitalism is now collapsing for some of the same reasons.
(Unmanageable military spending, theft by a "privileged" class...political in the USSR, economic in the USA) Poor leadership.
Let's hope the new age ain't the same as the old age.
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Natureboy11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The vast high energy levels created by blowing through many millenia worth of fossil fuels in just over a hundred years has created an environment which allows heirarchic organization on a scale that would not otherwise be tenable. Gargantuan, monolithic, authoritarian "superpowers" will no longer be able to perpetuate once we are well along the energy descent from peak oil.
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Neoconservatism and authoritarian socialism are manifestations of this high energy state. They could not survive otherwise. They will go away.-
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willottica11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The "new energy" is an interesting concept. But goes against laws of physics. Energy, like matter, can neither be created nor destroyed. Of course this may no longer hold true with all the quantum stuff being discussed, but I'm willing to be ignorant about that at this time of my life.
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How does the energy that we consume in fossil fuels compare to the amount of solar power that heats the Earth? What would happen if we were to steal that energy that should be going to heating the crust and store it as potential energy in batteries? What happens when we take the kinetic energy of the wind and build giant wind farms to take it? If such wind-farms are sufficient to replace the energy needs of the planet, will they have enough cumulative effect to alter the Earth's rotation or its axis?
Every gust of wind hitting a stationary object has the effect of exerting a force on the Earth's surface in that direction. When the objects are hit at random, the effects can be assumed to cancel each other out. But if we set up vast arrays of such objects with a non-random purpose, do we increase the danger that we will have a non-random and therefore cumulative effect on the Earth's rotational energy?
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kobzikov11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Those aren't really the reasons why Soviet Union collapsed. It had to do more with internal reforms implemented by Gorbachev, such as glasnost, perestroika, and democratization of political process, but that is its own topic and it's rather irrelevant to the questions of quantum mechanics and nature of the universe. But if you are interested I can tell you more about Soviet collapse.
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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In the 1950s, the advent of Soviet Socialism (which many refer to as "Communism"--but it actually doesn't fit the definition as laid out in the manifesto) was used to further comingle government and religion through pushing to add "Under God" to the pledge and put "God" on more of the money.
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Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority" was born from this as well. Opportunists, looking for cracks they could crawl through to spread their ideas. Liberty, Regents, Patrick Henry, and other fundamentalist Christian-based colleges and universities were the outgrowth.
This seems Hegelian--thesis, antithesis, synthesis. But it's not clean, because before the synthesis from one action-reaction can occur, others appear.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Q: What's the difference between a quantum mechanic and an auto mechanic?
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A: A quantum mechanic can get his car into the garage without opening the door.
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Or, we could put Cierra Marie in a rocket ship and send her at the speed of light to Sirius and back, so she could see if in 100 years apes, zombies, vampires or robots take over, Apple stock beats Google, Elvis becomes a saint , Bush is vindicated, and Crymtyphon recognized for the genius he was.
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And whether the statue of liberty tilts in that pathetic way all the movie futures put it.
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CRYMTYPHON11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Or we could take darkwizard and throw him repeatedly at 2 doorways , seeing if he can go thru both simultaneously if we tell him he is a wave rather than a wizard.
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And yes, we would open the doors first because otherwise that would be cruel and might lose us the security deposit and anyways you have to avoid meddling in the afairs of wizards cause they are quick to wrath you.-
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Wouldn't this require CRYMTYPHON to have superhuman strength in order to exert enough force on the infinite mass Jordan11 would have if traveling at the speed of light?
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Never mind...I know CRYMTYPHON already has superhuman strength. (He needs it to support his enormous head.) ;-)
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CRYMTYPHON11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Or we could take lvrofwolves and suspend him from a pendulum at the North Pole and swing him counterclockwise really fast and see if that slows down time or just makes him up-chuck!
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And we could take radiofreeeuropa and strap plutonium to him and -
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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A couple quotes from some of these anarchs:
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"I am afraid the knockabout comedy of modern atomic physics is not very tender towards our aesthetic ideals. The stately drama of stellar evolution turns out to be more like the hair-breadth escapades in the films. The music of the spheres has a painful suggestion of ... jazz."
-- Arthur S. Eddington, Stars and Atoms
"The more success the quantum theory has, the sillier it looks."
--Albert Einstein
"Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."
--Richard Feynman.
"Physics is not difficult, it is just weird."
- Vincent Icke in "The Force of symmetry"
"I know that this defies the law of gravity, but, you see, I never studied law."
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slate11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm one of the lowly uneducated. For some reason to many, education can only be obtained in college.
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however I do love science and read things about these theories and the science channels are the ones I watch the most.
The string theory has been around for some time and it keeps changing *more strings added to the theory'. Then you have to add the dark matter and multi universes to account for all the missing matter that should be in the universe and where all the gravity came from for the weakest force to be able to do what it does.
So far it's all theory and you can be certain that it will be tweaked for some time in the future.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Slate, your correct, String theory got it's start in 1921 when it was discovered that Electromagnetism can be derived from gravity in a unified theory if there are four space dimensions instead of three, and the fourth is curled into a tiny circle. Kaluza and Klein made this discovery independently of each other.
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This led to Three particle theorists independently realizing in 1970 that the dual theories developed in 1968 to describe the particle spectrum also describe the quantum mechanics of oscillating strings. This marks the official birth of string theory.
And we can be sure that we know parts of what will be "string theory" though we don't know enough to predict what the final outcome will be.
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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College is a certain type of unique experience, and people derive various benefits from it, but it's certainly not the only way to become educated. It does show one can set a very difficult, time-consuming, and expensive long-term goal and achieve it, but one can show that other ways, too.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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The importance of higher education is dictated by society.
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Some of the biggest idiots I've ever met had a formal education, and some of the wisest sages had little or none.
I value education for numerous reasons, but the lost method of apprenticeship was every bit as productive as a typical classroom (if not more). And not every field of endeavor should require expensive time consuming preparation. The world needs talented plumbers every bit as much if not more than another BMA, or lawyer.
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Eagle_Eye11 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Some of the biggest idiots I've ever met had a formal education, and some of the wisest sages had little or none."
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That is so true, there is a difference between book smart and life smart.....people that believe every thing they are taught in books is true are easily misled and . manipulated.
People that have learned through life have learned all the reasons why behind it and all the tricks that go with it.
If I had to choose, I would choose a wise sage over a PhD
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riverdog11 months, 3 weeks ago
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They say the physical 'reality' of which we are aware, is only 4% of the universe and the rest is dark matter or the space in between. Seems we have a ways to go in our understanding of the fundamental energy that permeates all. It would really be sad to think that humans are the pinnacle of creation and our 'religions' the outward expression of intelligence.
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alakazam11 months, 2 weeks ago
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I remember a reference to it in one of Stephen Kings stories.
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The short story "Crouch End"
It refers to a "thin spot" and was highly influenced by Lovecraft.
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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This reminds me of my godson, who told me his high school biology book has "a whole section on genetics" and proceeded to attempt to wax eloquent with very superficial knowledge and draw a conclusion that I know doesn't account for a multitude of other contributing factors.
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I kind of remember being at that age where it seemed knowledge might actually be finite and I just needed to study more! I simply asked him a question about something to encourage him to dig deeper and he was off and running again.
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truthiness11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I just reread an abstract on the Higgs Bosun, which I wish I had done before posting this as it had been several years since I had last read about it.
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the Higgs Bosun theory, corrected, is that there is a universal field which all particles must pass through in order for them to gain what we identify as mass. each field in the universe is itself made up of particles (e.g. electrons-electro magnetic field) so the Higgs Bosun Particle is the theoreticle Particle making up this first field giving mass to all other things.
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I remember reading about something called a Higgs-Bosun particle. the theory went like this (as I remember) when adding up the mass of each individual part of an atom (protons, electrons, weak, strong, etc) the total never equalled the total mass of an atom. It always came up short. the mass of an atom was always more than the sum of its parts.
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Higgs theorized that there is a Bosun particle which popped in and out of existence (my phrasing) too quickly to be measured individually, but so regularly that its mass registered as part of the total atomic mass.
to me this seemed illogical. if it was disappearing/reappearing so fast we couldn't detect they change but the impression of existence was still felt, shouldn't its presence register as always being there? by analogy: if I could flick the light switch on and off so fast that you couldn't tell there was a change, wouldn't the light appear to always be on? (the reason it wouldn't appear to always be off is that there really is light being added to the room)
so.. if we know that every atom has this unexplained extra mass without a corresponding material identifier. and that difference is the same in every atom. perhaps what we have found is the presence of the soul in all things. (an unseen force adding mass but not material to all life thereby making them more than the sum of their parts.)-
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CRYMTYPHON11 months, 3 weeks ago
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You probably moved 'sideways' into an alternate reality; maybe one where there are no blue m's, or that one with no Microsoft or one where Obama won the 2008 election.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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What is of more interest?
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The Music? Or the Musician?
In a quantum universe they are the same anyway.
while it's quite true that I've not found a reasonable answer to the big questions in any religions.
Nor even the lexicon to even ask them.
I'll make no claim that a God exists, or not; for that matter. Many fellow travelers make that claim, but I simply do not.
From a statistical point of view the odds are not favorable for the bearded Abrahamic God that major religions subscribe to. It appears if there is a god at work in some sense...that god dances in chaos and roles dice while improvising free jazz .
In the spirit of quantum mechanics, god can not exist until it is observed.
But the physics have no effect on whether there is or is not a god.
Hey Nietzsche!... god may not be dead...just irrelevant.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 2 weeks ago
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What Quantum Physics appears to suggest is more like a universe made of quantum "stuff" combining in anarchistic modalities of chance.. The roll of the dice.
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The music, the musician, the instruments, even the listener are one.--all else is illusion.
If there is a universal intelligence (god?) it is integral to and of the "universe. It is quantumstuff like stars, planets, you! The sum consciousness of the universe itself.
There is no reason to believe something outside of the quantumstuff universe "created" it. But one could argue conversely there's no reason to believe something outside of it didn't create it either. Though if there is something outside of "everything" perhaps our definition of "everything" is simply flawed. -
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DarkWizard11 months, 3 weeks ago
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FTA - "Theoretical physics neither suggests nor denies man's notions of God or Gods."
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"Unlike Relativity, Quantum Mechanics offers no coherent ideas about "reality,"rather it gives us a set of tools for predicting, and statistical possibilities. The model of Quantum Mechanics "works" but Quantum facts remain inexplicable. The excitement lies in the way it has revived speculative philosophy as an integral component of science."
The whole article was excellent, but I picked these two statements because of the constant bickering about universal facts. Only experts think they can argue amongst themselves and then enlighten the masses. Absolutely not true! If you look at most of the scientists we now revere, they went through some pretty hard times to get their theories published and/or accepted as mainstream. They were the oddballs of their day and not the norm. So, I say to the experts, espousing facts you may not even understand doesn't make you anything more than a reporter of what has happened.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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Excellent point DW!
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I am fascinated by the implications of this research but in no sense an expert or trained in modern physics. My only advantage is that through my daughter who IS a computational Physicist working in the field of neuroscience, I get to converse from time to time with some real heavyweights in the field (Professors and research team leaders). I would NOT profess to understanding the truths of quantum physics...but neither would they... being aware of them is another story.
I think it takes a novice such as myself to synthesize a connectivity between Theoretical Physics, Music, Alchemy, Taoism, Fractal Geometry, indeed politics, and economics.
Just as it took a child to say"the emperor has no clothes".
Yet the premise that "it's all ONE" seems to indicate some validity to the claim!-
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DarkWizard11 months, 2 weeks ago
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RFE,
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"I think it takes a novice such as myself to synthesize a connectivity between Theoretical Physics, Music, Alchemy, Taoism, Fractal Geometry, indeed politics, and economics."
Exactly my point. The "experts" are too focused on a narrow spectrum of all knowledge to see the applications in venues they deem as unrelated. It is up to us "goofs" to connect the dots and submit our own theories.
I look at the diversified educations, talents, philosophies, experiences, and knowledge presented by those that converse here and realize that we basically have an uncontrolled think-tank. Sometimes I just read and am in awe at the intelligence I see here. Of course, other times I am rolling on the floor with laughter!
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memestryker11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have some friends who are cosmologists, and they are amusing at how rigid they become in some viewpoints. But it's that rigidity that enables them to stick with it until they've described it as intricately as possible and published an article.
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I do much better work when it involves an obsession. I may not be alone in that.-
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
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I find multi-tasking very self defeating. If I focus completely on one thing until the task is complete, the end result is always better, quicker, and more satisfying. Then I can devote that "focus" on another task. If I attempt to do 3 things simultaneously it creates frustration, limited accomplishment, and more time invested overall. I have witnessed the secretaries at the school where I teach type, answer phones, and converse with others in the office simultaneously and I'm always intimidated! I simply could NOT do it.
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