Israeli Air Force Avoids Civilian Casualties in Gaza [video] »
Posted By israeligirl1 10 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsThree different clips which demonstrate the way in which the Israeli Air Force operates in the field in order to minimize civilian casualties. The clips show how pilots will divert missiles in mid-flight in order to minimize civilian casualties.
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Weaponry advances in respect to 'smart' bombs, missiles, and even bullets, is a laudable attempt to revise the adage: "A bullet is a fool, but the bayonet is a fine fellow".
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Still it must be acknowledged that the current systems are not 'fool' proof.
(Nor are they universally employed).
The best way to meet your enemy is naked, at a negotiation table. Understanding the cultural constraints of the contestants, a loincloth and headcover are optional.
Since media is sooo important to the standing of the issues involved. I suggest that the committees, that work out attendant details of any negotiations at the behest of their leadership, provide full disclosure. Failure to do so would indicate hidden agendas.
Let the round table begin! Then the fools can face the bayonet. May the best position (not the best armed) win. -
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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As for the comment you've made before about the utter futility of Hamas' struggle, libsRfunny, you again show no grasp of American history. This leads me to suspect that you are not a citizen of the US.
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Or if you are, then a 'natural citizen', one that doesn't have to have any knowledge about America, as you are 'graced' by birth. Your gain is our loss.
More than a few members of the Continental Congress argued the "utter futility" of a war with England. At the later Constitutional Convention those claims were forgotten.
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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My posts do not defend the ground for any of the combatants. Rather they challenge the cheerleaders that stalk the sidelines, cheering the matador, or taunting the bull. I think you are cowardly chickenhawks, lapping up the blood that's spilled by people that feel deeply that they have a stake in these affairs.
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I'm interested, but don't directly own a stake. I haven't a preference for one blood over another. I am curious though. Other than an (apparent) hatred of Islam, are there some more tangible reasons for your festooning yourselves as a bowl-game mascot for the IDF? Does military might give you an erection? Are you here just to lick Israeligirls' um...boots?
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Dionys10 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's kind of hard to believe IDF video (propaganda) when just last week it was revealed that the video of people supposedly launching rockets from near the UN school the IDF destroyed, killing 30+ people taking shelter in it, was actually video from two years ago.
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If they're going to lie to you once with no shame, you can be sure they're continuing to lie unashamedly. -
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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What I caught in the second video was a strike deflected to a street behind the apparently targeted vehicle. Pretty close proximity to some pedestrian traffic.
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Have the cheerleaders looked at the current stats for the Gaza strip?
Here, I borrowed this from another post:
http://www.panasianbiz.com/2009/01/20-must-know-fa...-
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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..and this one's for you chickenhaw...er libsRfunny, YOU might enjoy this:
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http://thecurrentaffairs.com/index.php/most-danger...
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Edmar1410 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is the most ridiculous dialogue that I have heard in a long time. Israel doesn't have to justify it's existence to anybody as it has been doing for the last 60 years. I don't know of any other army that takes the precautions that Israel does to protect the citizens of Gaza. Any doubt? Gaza is virtually in ruins, and yet only 900 (half if not more are Hamas operatives) people have been killed. I don't say that lightly since all death any death is terrible, but had Israel not made every effort to minimize the casualties, the dead would be in the thousands or tens of thousands. Had Israel not had a viable civil defense system, those "primitive" Hamas rockets would have killed thousands as well. No one looks at the rockets as a threat to Israel exactly because so few Israelis have died due to a very sophisticated system of warnings and shelters. Over 8000 rockets have been fired into Israel, 6000 since Hamas took over. There is absolutely no justification for Hamas' bombardment of Israeli civilians. Israel waited longer to respond than any other country would have. Hamas chose to use urban areas with large civilian populations from which to fire their rockets. They had the opportunity to use unpopulated areas of Gaza, but chose to set up shop in the center of urban Gaza. When anybody here can justify the firing of rockets into Israel, then they can argue about the reprisal. Until then YOU try living with rockets coming in your direction on a daily basis, all of you armchair generals.
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gamahuche10 months, 2 weeks ago
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You're such an impartial source, israeligirl1.
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If this were true I know for sure you'd be blogging like crazy at another venue asking whatbthe f*** do you think you're doing, you jerks!!! and wouldn't even have time to come over here to do you shilling.
Its like the concentrate guard who says that he reprieved 3 who were scheduled for gassing because they were alreay dead. The ones that they "missed" will still be sitting ducks for the next fly-by - they've got NOWHERE to hide and you know it. -
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Posted, and re-posted:
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Take out the hunger, and the inequitable conditions so many in the world live under,and a large segment of those that fall prey the manipulations exercised by those that offer them, food, hope, and (very importantly) purpose, may have the fuel in their bellies to build, rather than fight.
Obviously it won't solve all of the problems, or put to rest all of the arguments, but I know from my own personal history, that I can sustain a debate, and offer meaningful dialog, when my position is not so desperate. Remember how the warlords in Somalia confiscated all of the relief food so that they could mete it out to their constituents? It's power. It's leverage...and it is repaid by loyalty. This might sound condescending, like loyalty bought on the cheap (especially to the well fed and the well armed), and engender smug refutation, as it is not a lasting solution.
A solution? Hardly! Just a start.
The most important piece is hope, the view that a people can build their own dreams. Aye, and here is the rub. Again, if one cannot make a case for his cause, because it is unbending and shuttered to outside light, then he must examine his dreams. And try to find a thread that will link it to the waking reality. With fuel in the belly and hope in the head, one has a better chance of building on small progresses, and growing them to something sustainable.
We Americans shouldn't look to our history as the perfect template. George Washington issued a letter to the Cherokee Nations upon his retirement at the end of his second term. He urged them to walk the path the whites were walking, fully expecting that if they did so, complete assimilation and citizenship would be the result. Benevolent and kindly, his suggestions were condescending to an indigenous people that were doing very well (thank you) before the whites arrived.
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jdhatl10 months, 2 weeks ago
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900+ people are dead. It's not working. The Israelis are good people but the military culture there is psycho. The Gazans are stupid and desperate, but their deaths will just increase the demand for more violent anti-Israeli action. The Israelis are smart, but they're being stupid in this situation. This action is only making things worse for everyone.
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cherev10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"but their deaths will just increase the demand for more violent anti-Israeli action."
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Not from those who are dead. The ones who are still alive supported Hamas AFTER Israel withdrew from Gaza showing their true colors. Read the Hamas Charter - It is nakedly and aggressively anti-Semitic. no fig-leaf of "anti-Zionism" there. Nor is Hamas interested in a "two-state" solution.
The Hamas supporters on this thread are pretty obvious, even though they claim to "take no sides", they severly criticize Israel while offering (at best) lip-service criticism of Hamas.
They and their true goals are transparent.
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dissent10 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Terrorists, their supporters, suppliers, appeasers and apologists must be exterminated if decent, peace-loving people are to survive."
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people who want to "exterminate" other people are not decent and they're not peace-loving. at the very least, they're just creepy
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Edmar1410 months, 2 weeks ago
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You want to stop the carnage, stop the rocket fire into Israel. It's that simple. What kind of mentality continues to fire rockets into a neighboring country knowing full well that the backlash is going to be to try to stop the attack. That's just logical. And when the backlash does occur, what kind of insanity continues to fire those rockets when the opposing side has to kill your people in order to stop the aggression? The definition of insanity is "continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time". Does Hamas expect Israel to discontinue trying to stop the rockets being fired into their country when Hamas themselves is using Urban areas from which to fire, build and store those rockets? Israel doesn't need to justify anything. It has taken this insanity for 8 years now. That is 7 years, 11 months and 29 days more than any other country would have taken it. This doesn't need to be debated. The facts speak for themselves.
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well General Armchair, thank you for your analysis. So aside from the fact that the conditions of the battlefield don't agree with your rational, have you ever seen this kind of insane strategy before?
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Is it so easy to resort to a nuclear option? It's been used in the past.
Is it better to round them up and place them on reservations? It's been done before.
Should we steal their children and educate them in 'colonial schools? It's been tried.
Should we admit our mistakes and suggest, to those who are repeating them, that they seek other solutions.
In the fog of war, every soldier is alone. He is completely isolated from the tactical, much less the strategic plan in the expanding theater. His only consequence is it's his ass on the line. His only short term victory is to live another day. Once the firing starts, YOU, my dear General, have lost complete control over your end of the field. The situation is fluid. Think or thwim.
Sign me out: "Armchair Corporal".
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 2 weeks ago
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cherev, are you sitting on a Sit-N-Spin?
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I don't feel compelled to alter, or explain my remarks. I think they state perfectly clearly my reaction, and response to your statement. I'd prefer to think that you got "off the hook" for a moment, as many of us are prone to do. This is a hot issue that's close to your heart. I'll grant you that your feelings are felt by many in the heat of frustrations and heightened by senseless brutality. It just doesn't make any sense to become the thing you hate.
on second thought, take all of those thoughts and change flags for a moment. Hmmm...can you see yourself through your enemy's eyes.
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sumptuousdigs10 months, 1 week ago
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"Moral Army" is an oxymoron. It's must be infinately easier to be a moral army if you have an airforce, navy, and army, all with "standoff" "Indirect fire" and very sophisticated ("smart") targeting capability.
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This means: I can see you, but you can't see me. I can hit you, and you don't know where, or when, it's coming. You're shooting from the hip with a shotgun. I'm in a secluded undisclosed place, with a high powered rifle and sniperscope. So you're not going to stand naked out in a field while I hover above. You are going to hide among the buildings.
The question is: Why does one need to mobilize a "moral army". Is it because the truce has been a moral failure?
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