American public backs Israel firmly in war with Hamas »
Posted By israeligirl1 9 months, 4 weeks ago in NewsThe American people are squarely behind Israel and overwhelmingly think that using force against Hamas is appropriate, according to a new McClatchy / Ipsos poll. 44% support Israel's use of force, while only 18% justified Hamas' use of force. 57% think that Hamas is using excessive force, while only 36% said Israel was.
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engineer9 months, 4 weeks ago
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Big surprise coming engineer. Despite the censorship, Americans are seeing through the zionist propaganda. Most of us now say the US should NOT support Israel.
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George Washington's warnings and U.S. policy towards Israel
A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India). No country favors taking Israel's side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.
The degree of mandated orthodoxy on the Israel question among America's political elites is so great that if one took the statements on Gaza from George Bush, Pelosi, Hoyer, Berman, Ros-Lehtinen, and randomly chosen Bill Kristol-acolytes and redacted their names, it would be impossible to know which statements came from whom. They're all identical: what Israel does is absolutely right. The U.S. must fully and unconditionally support Israel. Israel does not merit an iota of criticism for what it is doing. It bears none of the blame for this conflict. No questioning even of the wisdom of its decisions -- let alone the justifiability -- is uttered. No deviation from that script takes place.
that America must unquestioningly stand on Israel's side and support it, not just in this conflict but in all of Israel's various wars -- is a view which 7 out of 10 Americans reject. Conversely, the view which 70% of Americans embrace -- that the U.S. should be neutral and even-handed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict generally -- is one that no mainstream politician would dare express.
In a democracy, one could expect that politicians would be afraid to express a view that 70% of the citizens oppose. Yet here we have the exact opposite situation: no mainstream politician would dare express the view that 70% of Americans support. Isn't that fairly compelling evidence of the complete disconnect between our political elites and the people they purportedly represent?
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
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So you like killing jews, christians and moslems (from afar) for a vile racist ideology?
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Anti-War Protests Grow in Israel
Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip has prompted public opposition from anti-war elements of the Israeli public – and counter-measures from right-wing groups and Israeli domestic intelligence agencies.
Protesters across the country have turned out in larger numbers than opposed the 2006 war with Lebanon and some have clashed with police in both Arab-Israeli and Jewish cities.
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RothWelt9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Never in history has an invading force almost simultaneously waged a war of occupation and retribution by sea, land and air against an oppressed and understandably resistant population - one with barely shoestring resources to counter it. Not Nazi Germany against France, not France against Algeria, not Britain against Ireland - but only an artificially-created Jewish state against native Palestinians. .who will Gain Strength with this Effective .
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RothWelt9 months, 4 weeks ago
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In all fairness one must never generalize about "Jews" for some of the most courageous, ardent, vocal voices against Zionism and Israel's brutality are Jews themselves---in fact, much more so than the entire cowardly 57 Muslim governments who are just as oppressive to their own peoples as Israel is to Palestinians.
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jovial9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Some people might think that this is good. Dancing in the streets as people die. Have we not become like the people that we have come to disdain.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Not really. Time to take our country back from those whose first loyalty is NOT to the US.
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Israel's Humiliation of America
“Let me see if I understand this,” wrote a friend in response to news reports that Israeli Prime Minister Olmert ordered President Bush from the podium where he was giving a speech to receive Israel’s instructions about how the United States had to vote on the UN resolution. “On September 11th, President Bush is interrupted while reading a story to school children and told the World Trade Center had been hit--and he went on reading. Now, Olmert calls about a UN resolution when Bush is giving a speech and Bush leaves the stage to take the call. There exists no greater example of a master-servant relationship.”
Israeli politicians have been bragging for decades about the control they exercise over the US government. In his final press conference, President Bush, deluded to the very end, said that the whole world respects America. In fact, when the world looks at America, what it sees is an Israeli colony.
Responding to mounting reports from the Red Cross and human rights organizations of Israel’s massive war crimes in Gaza, the United Nations Human Rights Council voted 33-1 on January 12 to condemn Israel for grave offenses against human rights.
On January 13, the London Times reported that Israelis have gathered on a hillside overlooking Gaza to enjoy the slaughter of Palestinians in what the Times calls “the ultimate spectator sport.”
It is American supplied F-16 fighter jets, helicopter gunships, missiles, and bombs that are destroying the civilian infrastructure of Gaza and murdering the Palestinians who have been packed into the tiny strip of land. What is happening to the Palestinians herded into the Gaza Ghetto is happening because of American money and weapons. It is just as much an attack by the United States as an attack by Israel. The US government is complicit in the war crimes.
... Bush talked about connecting the dots, but Bush has failed to connect any dots for eight solid years. “Our” president was a puppet for a cabal led by Dick Cheney and a handful of Jewish neoconservatives, who took control of the Pentagon, the State Department, the National Security Council, the CIA, and “Homeland Security.” From these power positions, the neocon cabal used lies and deception to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, pointless wars that have cost Americans $3 trillion, while millions of Americans lose their jobs, their pensions, and their access to health care.
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Endoscopy9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Really have your head in the sand. About a year ago there were videos about a Muslim mother in Gaza celebrating the fact that her oldest son became a suicide bomber. She praised him and wanted the rest of her sons to do the same. It is only bad if they did not kill the hated jews with their death.
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jovial9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Imagine for a moment you are a citizen of Palestine in the Gaza strip... Your government can't protect you and a military force is quickly approaching your city. Your city has been under relentless attacks from F-16's, drones, naval artillery, and tank shells. You can't leave your house or drive a vehicle or you will be killed. There's little food and water, and venturing out to find food is to take your life into your own hands. Your children stare at you, in the dim light of flares and explosions in the background. They are hungry, and you are helpless. Pieces of artillery shrapnel come crashing through yor window and you quickly tell your family to huddle close and stay low to the ground. The sound of explosions in the air and all around you sound like some crazy metronome out of a Alfred Hitchcock thriller. You pray..
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tehranchik9 months, 4 weeks ago
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jovial9 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Fury swept the British parliament on Wednesday following a statement by the British foreign minister David Miliband on "the appalling situation in Gaza."
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The Labour Member of Parliament Peter Kilfoyle asked the minister to "undertake to ensure that no arms at all go to Israel at the moment, given that it is guilty in many people's eyes of state-sponsored terrorism with its activities in the Gaza strip".
The Labour MP Sir Gerald Kaufman said: "In congratulating [Mr Miliband] on steering resolution 1860 [calling for an immediate ceasefire] through the United Nations Security Council, may I ask him what the international reaction would be if Hamas had slaughtered nearly 900 Israelis and subjected nearly 1.5 million Israelis to degradation and deprivation? Is it not an incontrovertible fact that Olmert, Livni and Barak are mass-murderers and war criminals - [Interruption.] Yes. And they bring shame on the Jewish people whose star of David they use as a flag in Gaza, but whose ethos and morals go completely against what this Israeli government are doing."
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Lincoln859 months, 4 weeks ago
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Imagine for a moment you are a citizen of Palestine in the Gaza strip. For years, you have been taught to hate Israel and the Jews. So much that even toddlers are taught to hate these people as pigs. In any other civilized country, these children would be taken away by family services. They worship and martyr those that go into Israel and kill innocents. The whole thing is pointless, this land has always been the Jews going back to the time it was called Canaan. And even if it was not, everytime Israel agrees to a peace treaty, these people break it with violence and attacks against their own people. Israel even went into the west bank and forcibly moved their own citizens out of their homes to give Palestinians their peace treaty and more land.
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Then they still attack Israel. The problem isn't land...it is their existence. The more of the terroists and their families the Jews kill the better. These people are nothing but murderous race haters that teach their innocent children the same thing. I am loving Israel's punishment of Hamas and their supporters, just like those same sick pathetic people rejoiced after America's 911. I hope Israel continues to kick their a..s..there is no negotiating with psychotic people. -
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Thinker229 months, 4 weeks ago
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>Imagine for a moment you are a citizen of Palestine in the Gaza strip...
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The vast majority of the Gazans voted for Hamas and they can only blame themselves for the results. After all, one had to be a pathological idiot to vote for Hamas hoping that Hamas would bring peace and prosperity to the region. Unlike you. Hyperbola, Dionys and some others I DO NOT believe that most of the Palestinian Arabs are pathological idiots.
By the way, citizens of Germany voted for the National-Socialist German Workers' Party (N.S.D.A.P.) in 1932 and enjoyed the results several years later. Unlike the Palestinians the Germans of 1932 could not foresee what would happen to their country 13 years later. Still, the Germans did not blame anyone but themselves for the consequences of their votes. Unlike Palestinians the Germans decided to live in peace with others and today Germany is one of the most developed and financially powerful countries on the planet. So is Japan.
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Endoscopy9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Tell your garbage to the people that are living in Sderot. It was OK for suicide bombers to come out of Gaza which resulted in the blockade so you could cry about the blockade. Then with the missiles coming out of Gaza from the day the Israelis left Gaza you stick your head in the sand over that. Hamas can do no wrong and Israel can do no right.
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Hamas charter declares the absolutely only acceptable solution is the destruction of Israel. But of course you ignore that. You must have the view of hyper. Are you also a Muslim?
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
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How about we protest murderous racism?
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Gaza Slaughter Exposes Truth About Zionism
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/12/gaza-sla...
Collective punishment is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. In fact, Israel’s siege was a belligerent act of war. But the western press, including the US media, failed to report it honestly and now they blame the victims. The Palestinians, we are told, are responsible for Israel’s attacks upon them because of the Qassams. Of course, due to the media filter the average American probably has never heard of the siege, and doesn’t even know it happened.
...In fact, Israel’s military operation in Gaza probably has as much to do with political expedience as halting the Qassams. Israel’s leaders have resorted to violence in the past for temporary political gain: to boost their standing with voters; and the present Gaza offensive appears to be another case. It was in the planning for months and probably became inevitable after far-right Likud candidate Benjamin Netanyahu moved ahead in the polls. With Prime Minister Olmert’s Kadima party facing a tough uphill fight in the upcoming February 2009 elections, Olmert no doubt hoped to recoup Kadima’s chances by showing toughness. It is telling that Israeli voters will choose between the right and the far-right, another inconvenient truth ignored by the western press..
...it is remarkable that even though the US Senate just voted unanimous support for Israel many Americans probably still think the United States is not directly involved in the Gaza violence. Nothing could be further from the truth. The US is deeply involved. ... To describe all of this as a public relations disaster for the US fails to capture the reality. The international community was already alienated from Washington because of President George W. Bush’s self-proclaimed right to treat the world as a US free-fire zone. Continuing US support for Israel’s state terrorism is like throwing gas on this fire, and the temperature is rising....
But the slaughter of more than 800 Palestinians, as I write, in addition to more than 3,000 injured, has had one positive effect: It has brought the deeper issue, the nature of Zionism, into sharper focus. The question that Americans should be asking is how 1.4 million Palestinians came to be crowded into Gaza in the first place. After all, the length and breadth of Israel/Palestine is the homeland of these Palestinians, no less than the home of the Jews. Both peoples have an equal claim to the land.
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jovial9 months, 4 weeks ago
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In a separate story, we find that Ohlmert has quite a bit of sway in the U.S. government. This is the story of an egg and how it found it's way to the U.S. Secretary of State's face.
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jimdoze9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Hamas mis-calculated. They thought they could use foreign aid to continue buying weapons, lob rockets at Israel from schoolyards, place command posts in and under hospitals. Then, per the tried and true formula, bait the Israelis into chasing them and, in doing so, kill innocents... and then expect world opinion to restrain Israel... thereby winning the political war against Isreal. What they failed to calculate is that the world hasn't forgotten that Israel dismantled substantial settlements on the West Bank in return for peace... and did not get peace. Sympathy for Hamas is a little tougher to come by this time around.
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albionperfides9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Your extract from Gerald Kaufman's speech in the House of Commons did not make clear that he is an anti Zionist Jew: more power to his elbow.
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albionperfides9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Oh Jimdoze where have you been? If what you describe is so then the Israelis have fallen for the trap set and that is to show the world their inhumanity. You will never have been in an air raid I imagine and these in Gaza are Guernica to the infinite degree. You should read some reliable newspapers and find out what the past has been in Palestine since 1946.
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cherev9 months, 4 weeks ago
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This is pretty surprising considering the leftist media has been about as pro-Israel as hyperbola for a very long time. My local paper has been giving lip-service regarding Israel's right to defend itself for decades. It's always, "Israel has a right to defend itself, but...." and then condemns whatever Israel does as "excessive", "not proportional", whatever.
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Naturally, the leftist media hasn't said word one about the anti-Semitic Hamas charter - the motivation for the attacks against Israel. Yet, it seems the majority of Americans surveyed understand what Hamas is all about. And let's not kid ourselves...the anti-"Israel" posters on this site understand it as well...and are hoping for a Hamas win.-
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canadianrancher579 months, 4 weeks ago
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You mention of lip service in your comment and this is something that I have noticed in the area that I live. Up here in Canada there have been numerous people charged under the Hate law for promoting hatred against Jews and Israel and also for teaching that the holocaust did not happen. One thing that I have noticed though is what people say in public is not always what they say in private conversation. The area I live in has always had a hatred for Jewish people and I though that it had change since for many years there were no anti-Semetic comments. As I mentioned a week or so ago I did hear a very anti-Semetic comment in a public place and since then there seem to be many more that are showing thier true colors. If these people were to be polled about the actions by Israel I feel that they would likely come out either in support or have a no comment opinion. To me this is where the danger is not so much today but maybe in the future. the people who are now condeming Israel in front of their children are creating a new group that will hate Israel and the problem with children is they look at things in a much simpler way than adults do.
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My question to you is, what should be my response to a child who asks why on one side there are to date 13 deaths and on the other side maybe over 900. We as parents try to teach our children to care for others and we preach to them about all people being equal and how we must respect the law, we try and teach them that there is fairness in the world.
Cherev- I believe that Israel has the right to excist as a nation, I also believe that Israel has the right to protect itself, I have no problem telling a child that some of those who have died were firing missles at people in order to kill them, but to me there is no answer when they ask about the children and women.
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allasam9 months, 4 weeks ago
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What's wrong with you Israelis? All that Hammas wants is to shoot bombs into Israel with impunity. C'mon Israel, smarten up, let them lob rockets at you. Hesbollah to. Did you Israelis really need to shoot back? Look at those poor Gaza people crying.
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BravoSierra9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Cognitive dissonance...a person who buys an expensive car that turns out to be a lemon is the strongest defender of the brand he purchased....
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We've just invested billions in a lemon of a car...same kind Israel is buying...lol. Of course the majority of people are going to back Israel's actions...-
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
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good point. just as a car is an extension of our ego, so israel is an extension of our national ego. if our car is a lemon then, by inference, our ego says we are lemons too. if israel is a lemon then we, as a nation, must also be dysfunctional.
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to address whatever may be wrong with our country, israel or, for that matter, our lemon of a car, would be sensible and logical so that we can fix it, but it is too confrontational to our national and individual egos to admit that we are wrong.
it must be somebody else's fault. better to just find a scapegoat to blame it all on. a people who have no voice and so can't speak up for themselves. the palestinian people sound perfect for that -- no rights, no country, no voice.
they can then be lumped under the more generic label of people to be blamed and hated for everything -- muslims. and if you really want to go really general and find a name to call anyone we hate, despise, want to kill and can be blamed for everything, then just call them..... "terrorists".
and even if we don't hate them it's the best reason we've got to do anything we damn well please, and anyone who dares complain, well..... they must be terrorists too. so kill them all
how civilized we are not
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panyc10109 months, 4 weeks ago
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People seem to think it sounds intelligent to bash the bible and or god but the fact of the matter, and I don't care if you pray to Barney the purple dinosaur, is that the reason the U.S. supports Israel is religious and Biblical. Because of your own religious convictions or lack thereof you're preventing yourself from understanding anything. No matter what your stand is on religion, faith, god whatever, don't let that prevent you from picking up the torah or the bible and reading the history. Even if you don't base YOUR policy and opinions on the bible, our government does, we could all afford to know the biblical history that shows why we are in bed with israel.
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gamahuche9 months, 4 weeks ago
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You're right that knowing it is a good idea.
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Unfortunately, however, it does nothing to make the current situation even remotely tolerable.
The unquestioning support of the US for Israel is based on dark and hidden secrets and has something of the nature of a hidden coup.
This very insistent paid poster is also part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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fempatriot9 months, 4 weeks ago
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The USA has always used propaganda to keep USA citizens in the dark, but since OUR Israeli occupation, the propaganda mill has worked day and night to demonize all Arabs and Muslims and to make us think that Israel actually is our friend. Nothing could be further from the truth. On June 5, 1967, the Israeli air force attacked the USS Liberty, an AMERICAN intelligence gathering ship, and bombed and strafed the ship for hours, killing 34 American sailors and wounding over a hundred more. Why? Because Israel was starting its 6-day war and didn't want the USA to learn of it. They intended for it to look as if the Egyptians had attacked us, but luckily the Liberty managed to stay afloat and survive. President Lyndon Johnson covered up the crime and forbade Liberty survivors to talk. Because he knew Americans would stop supporting Israel if they knew what s.o.b.s the Israelis really were. And he needed Jewish votes. But Liberty survivors are still alive--and can finally tell the truth about Israel. This is just one tale of Israeli rottenness.
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JonathonVero9 months, 4 weeks ago
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McClatchy POLL ?? NEVER HEARD OF IT. DID ANYONE SEE 60 MINUTES ON SUNDAY. THE ISREAL'S DROPPING PHOSPROUS BOMBS ON PALISTIANS AND BURNING HUNDREDS OF WOMAN AND CHILDREN. IS THAT HUMANE ??
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THE REASON WE'RE IN THE TROUBLE WHERE IN WITH THE ARAB WORLD IS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS SUPPORT ISREAL, RIGHT OR WRONG WE'VE NEVER GONE AGAINST ANY OF THEIR ACTIONS. GEE, I WONDER WHY ??-
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Lincoln859 months, 4 weeks ago
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Is that humane? I don't know if this story is true, but I can take it in this direction, if phsophorus bombs were being dropped on hitler and his ilk, most rational people that recognize the amount of destruction evil people bring would approve. Any religion like Islam that promotes the slaughter of their enemies (either we convert them or kill them) has to be evil. I will gladly accept the worst case scenario then bow down to some fictional god that wants us to blow Jews up. I am not a Jew but nor will I fall in line with the feministic American men that embrace political correctness and the embrace of an evil religion like Islam.
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gamahuche9 months, 4 weeks ago
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For some more interesting data may I suggest:
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gamahuche9 months, 4 weeks ago
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And also:
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http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/facts-about-...
and prop story:http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/14/th...
Now that I seem to have managed to post both of these: they are far more germane to what is going on in Gaza than anythoing that you wil hear from this paid shill for the Israeli government.-
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Edmar149 months, 4 weeks ago
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Unless you have been living under a rock, most of the "paid shill" that is coming out of Gaza is from Hamas . One thing that is known for a fact (as you can tell from the fatah members who found themselves being thrown off of the rooftops when the two were at odds in Gaza) is that Hamas controls the Gaza strip with an iron hand. All of the hospital personnel as well as EMT's, medics and reporters are under the watchful eye of Hamas, and you know what happens to those who don't follow Hamas' instruction. They end up falling off or buildings or worse. Ever see a dead child on a stretcher move? A Fox newscaster wanted to know about that too. It's hard for a 7 year old to stay completely still as instructed, I would guess. This same tactic was used in Lebanon during the war in 2006. Pictures were doctored and video was choreographed. Thank goodness the internet savvy people noticed the handiwork of Photoshop. First get the facts, then you can distort them anyway that you please. Thank you Mark Twain.
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ahsiamami9 months, 4 weeks ago
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OH My Blazing StarZ!!!! It's ALL HORRENDOUS!!!! NOBODIES WINNING!!! people are just dying and being injured...Horribly! This conflict is so ludicrous! You're born where you're born, and you live where u live! It's frightful that so many STILL allow "religion" and false senses of "superiority" to lead us into violence and destruction! Hey, we're all we have, globally speaking, and we're riding a chaotic ride of uncertain calamity that's speeding out of control!!! "Quick!, grab the reigns!" If those who participated in this "poll" had been able to have a firsthand view of the carnage and abject loss of homes and loved ones, I think the results would have been decidedly different...We shouldn't get to comfy in our "upper hand" status, you know, that pretend security blanket we hide under? It also depends on who they asked in the first place. It goes without question that a large number of "Americans" are yet in "sheep" mode, lost in this violent nightmare of macabre masquerading...come on humans, let's speed up this collective consciousness thing already!!! Peace & Blessings One & All~
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Midwest79 months, 4 weeks ago
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Thanks to hyperbola and others who make some sense [though I have not read their every comment].
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So-called Israeligirl is obviously extremely bias, she probably would support even mass murder of children [opp's, that's what Israel is doing now ! ]
I've generally supported Israel for many years, the country and especially the current generation has not found itself in an easy situation. A narrow land surrounded by apparent enemies who outnumber them many times.
BUT extreme Zionism has MADE the situation WORSE !!!
They keep taking Arab land, building settlements, and making life difficult for Arabs! They clearly are making it much worse not just for Israel BUT ALSO FOR THE US !
Support Peace Now and similar organizations. ONLY with reasonable compromise will the people of this area live in peace. As it's been said many times you must talk with your enemies and give them some respect, no matter how difficult.
I ask fellow Americans to call and write Congress and Obama to tell them to stop our knee-jerk support of Israel, no matter what they do [including often with US weapons and aid, which we can not afford any more, we are broke from Bush's stupid Iraq War !!$$$$]
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