After Herricane Katrina We were Alone! »
Posted By Newperson 9 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsOn Monday morning, only hours after Katrina hit, Bush flew from his vacation ranch to meet John McCain for Birthday cake
Yeah while he was having his cake I was setting in a rest area my wife to old sick dogs little did we know all we had left in the world was eachother and the pickup truck we was setting in.
When we returned home tuesday there was nothing and I mean nothing house gone everything.
Thank god I took some water and food with us it was 7 DAYS! before we got any help and that my friends is the truth.
I don't like to talk about it because it makes me mad to this day.
WE WERE OWN OUR OWN!
Unless you were here I don't thank people would belive what it was like. Kids wondering around looking for water food dry anything.
I'M 53 years old and I hope and prey I or any other person has to go through what we went through ever!
That is the day I lost any Respect for bush.
This is how it was for Newperson
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Newperson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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sarahturner9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Whether or not people agree with your political opinions Newperson, I think they will all agree that you went through a terrible ordeal and I for one find it interesting to hear from someone who has made it back or is making it back.
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lvrofwolves9 months, 3 weeks ago
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How horrible, I just can't imagine, and that is one of the problems, most cannot imagine, it's not that they don't have compassion or anything, and MANY people helped as best they could or knew how to. But for those who could and seen it with their own eyes,and were responsible to help- namely Bush and did not immediately help, that is true neglect of his duties. How could he just go to a party? how could he just go on vacations?, how could he just sit there and read a book? how did he even sleep at night?????
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Newperson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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When bush says he is proud of his reaction time it makes me laugh. Mine is only one story and it really changed the way I feel about our goverment.
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Trust only yourselfes. I can only hope there was some lesions learned. We must all learn to be preparded to take care of our ourselves and eachother.-
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lvrofwolves9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Recent events have really proven, you can't trust the government. We should all try to be more self sufficient anyhow,(not saying this about the tragedies of Katrina, 9/11) but less government, less dependency on them, means less screwing by them,we cannot expect them to do their jobs properly.
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rightfromwrong9 months, 3 weeks ago
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U have to read this book by Naomi Klein "shock doctrine" for it will explain how the elites/rich view these situations. The longer they wait the greater the shock and easier to implement their agenda. All of these situations represent an opportunity for these people to make vast amounts of money.....on the backs of the injured,displaced,marginalized & people who have died.
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jimdoze9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"changed the way I feel about our goverment"
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It sounds like you finally get it, Newperson.
We are destined to ever constantly learn and re-learn one of the foremost precepts upon which this nation is founded... e.g. Do not trust in government. Keep its role as limited as possible.
And, yes, always be prepared to take care of yourself and each other.
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ppiittuu9 months, 3 weeks ago
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no one is to blame. this was an act of nature. i expect little to no help for me and my family from the government in case of a natural catastrophe. we are on our own - at least for days to weeks afterwards. the people who expected the government to save them were the unlucky ones...
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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".. act of nature .. " yes and no. The wind did little damage here in New Orleans. It was the inept Army Corps of Engineers that built the levees around the city that failed and flooded 90% of the city, mine included. For more on that subject: http://www.levees.org - a good read for everyone by my friend Sandy Rosenthal.
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Georgia509 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here's the Katrina irony to relish as only a taxpayer can:
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VICTIMS: federal gov't put them up in posh hotels; once there federal judges FORCED hotels to put up with them LONG past disaster relief guidelines.
ILLEGAL ALIENS: flocked to N.O. to help with the rebuilding. Were placed in makeshift housing--tents--and had to pay for their place to sleep and for each shower.
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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If it weren't for the "aliens", some illegal, most not btw, New Orleans and surrounding area would not have recovered anywhere near in the time that it as thus far. And they were put up in tents and other makeshift house because formal housing had been under 10+ feet of water. They had better accomodations than you think, especially in neighboring Jefferson Parish.
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Harbeas9 months, 3 weeks ago
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And we still give away bilions to other countries in the name of foreign aid. How about some good old internal aid so people in Louisiana and Mississippi can ge their lives back. This is just unfathomable that this situation still exists.
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k9kssr9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Newperson,
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Yes, Katrina did effect many, many more areas than JUST New Orleans, one small town was just completely washed away to sea. That's what makes me so angry, those people in Miss and Ala were just as devastated as New Orleans, but they received hardly any coverage and people have to be reminded now that these places even existed. The people in those areas just went on about the business of getting life back to normal and didn't squawk loud enough or throw dramatic hissies to warrant the media coverage I guess.
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Newperson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well I don't live in NO but I know what it was like and my heart goes out to any storm victim.
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It was pure hell on most of the gulfcoast
I lost alot of friends some moved away some we just don't know what happened to them all I can say is there gone -
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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It wasn't any fault of "New Orleans" or the residents as to the coverage by the various media. We all know about the total devastation of the Gulf Coast and my summer home was in one of those "small towns" that was washed out to sea. Anderson Cooper covered a lot of the Coast as well as Brian Williams. You guessed wrong, they got a lot of national media coverage. What's so special about New Orleans? .. I live here, that's what. ;-)
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See my primary site: http://www.gatewayno.com for a peek at New Orleans. The site has been up since 1994.
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Albmore9 months, 3 weeks ago
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CajanCamp- First let me tell you how sorry I am for what you had to go through. 2nd. Yes, the government has much to blame on the relief effort. 3rd. Bush is president the USA , he could have made some better decissions but lets be honest he is not accountable for the total blame. The Louisina government officials were some of the most corrupt in the US. Pre measures that were funded never happenend. Who is to blame for this? At the end it lays on US because we held NO accountability for their actions. New Orleans is today a great city,but a city full of crime as soom as you leave the main streets. Wake up! get involved. Catrina should be a lesson to those who still libve there. Its time to take the state out of the hands of corruption, greed, crime and rebuild it as a state and New Orleans as a city for the people.
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alakazam9 months, 3 weeks ago
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I gotta disagree a little with ya here Albmore.
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It's a American City for Christ's sake. The President has the authority to take extraordinary measures for the relief and support of the populace...he has failed to make any significant efforts on their behalf. He should have been all over it.
He even stood in the way of relief assistance offered by other countries.
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Bucotch9 months, 3 weeks ago
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That's the attitude that is needed. There are people living in the streets and hungry every day and every night of every year. Is that Bush's fault too? It's We the People. You know what happen when you point your finger, there's three back at you.
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Newperson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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All I can say is god help us if we have something worse. We are in trouble.
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I'm not trying to make you mad I 'm telling you help was slow getting to folks where I live.
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lvrofwolves9 months, 3 weeks ago
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simonsez'I can't think of any other natural disaster in the history of the United States where the Government did more to help the citizens.
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Tell me if you know of one ...'
Name a natural disaster that you know of that affected as many people as Katrina and we had the means to provide real help?
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Bucotch9 months, 3 weeks ago
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And it will continue to be wiped out. What's gonna be expected when California gets 'The Big One?' Anyone living on ocean coast lines should be considered doing so at their own risk and expense, aside from rescue. Set up 'Coastal Calamity Crisis Collection Agency for yourselves.' Why should the rest of the county be burdened with the insurance premiums and taxes to rebuild an inevitable disasters year after year. Especially one below sea level in hurricane alley. About as stupid as all the multi-million dollar mansions in the California woodlands that burn up every year. If you want to live in high risk areas, live in a grass hut.
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Newperson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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GehlLady9 months, 3 weeks ago
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What area in the US is not high risk for some type of disaster? What area is free from any and all earth quakes, mudslides, fires, blizzards, tornados, cyclones, hurricanes, flooding, droughts,........? And just how the heck are we all supposed to fit there, if there is such a place?
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mbruny9 months, 3 weeks ago
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instead of blaming president bush you should have asked why your mayor had 150 school buses sitting there and didn't bother to use them to evacuate, and when bush called your governor to offer help she didn't think it was that bad yet!!! these are the people you should be blaming you moron.... but then it wouldn't be acceptable to blame a black mayor for not thinking or a democrat governor now would it? i pity those poor squatters who built shacks near a levy and then expected a brand new house because of their stupidity...
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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We did blame the mayor and we did blame the governor, she did NOT run for re-election. The mayor did and got re-elected by his cronies that evacuated and voted absentee. I'm not blaming Bush one bit. Couldn't use the buses because they were under 10 feet of water afterwards and the designated drivers all left town beforehand anyway. Not an excuse but reality. Sure, it was a debacle of immense proportions and there is a lot of blame to go around. Those "squatters" you speak of didn't lose a thing as they were on the protected side of the levy on the river batture. You also have to understand that the camera lens has no peripheral or 360 degree vision.
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BB649 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh yes. It's the evil George Bush's fault you were too damn stupid to listen to the evacuation. Then again, anyone living 2 stories below sea level next to the ocean, the Mississippi and a huge lake should be nominated for the Darwin awards.
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Listen, the Mayor refused to evacuate when it was recommended by the Feds. Their Governor refused to release jurisdiction to the feds waiting an additional 24 hours. Rescue resources were pulled to help salvage Senator Jefferson's home. The people themselves shot at rescue workers trying to help them.
Over the years we've given billions to the local officials to rebuilt the levies. Where's the money? Show me the money. If any community didn't deserve our help, it would be New Orleans. Typical liberal Democrat area of the world. Gimme, gimme, gimme.-
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not going to get into it with you about the mayor and the governor. But some of your facts are not correct like "two stories below sea level" and living next to an ocean, etc. Most of New Orleans is above sea level. New Orleans did not suffer a "natural disaster" but rather an "engineering" disaster and THAT is why the evacuation order came a little later than usual. The "suggestion" to evacuate was given 3-4 days prior which is a whole lot different than a "mandatory" evacuation. Those that could get out did so. We evacuated on the Sunday morning prior to that Monday. Most of what happened devastation-wise happened AFTER the storm passed, not during, when the levees broke. If the levees had held then only a few million bux would have been needed to rebuild, not the over 100 BILLION estimate. Put the blame where it belongs, on the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS and their failed levees, all 52 of 'em.
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Hhussk9 months, 3 weeks ago
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This story is extremely ill-timed and past its prime in the newscycle. Normally, issues that have occurred many years ago are not revisited with this level of ferver. I am left to wonder if we will now have a story interviewing Monica Lewinsky or Tanya Harding.
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Let me address two issues brought up here:
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Didn’t the Mayor wait until too late to issue an evacuation order?
The Governor of Louisiana evacuated 90% of the region's vulnerable population in an evacuation that was the most successful ever of its magnitude. Those who stayed could not or would not leave and it's true that the City of New Orleans lacked a comprehensive plan for them. But even a 100% evacuation would have not have altered the destruction of 200,000 houses, 81,000 businesses, 175 schools, and 6 major hospitals. Further, had the Corps of Engineers built the the flood protection system that Congress had authorized and projected to be complete by 1978, Katrina would have been just a major wind event.
Haven’t New Orleans residents known for years that this could happen?
No, because the Corps assured the city's residents that they were safe from a Standard Project Hurricane (roughly equivalent to a Cat 3 Storm). New Orleans residents did not know that the flood walls could rupture 4 feet below design specs or that the floodwalls were designed to collapse if water briefly overtopped them. On August 25, 2006, Lt Gen Carl Strock conceded that “better communication from the Corps of the risk associated with the existing levee system might have spurred more people to evacuate” in advance of Katrina-
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mrreality9 months, 3 weeks ago
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i think its ridiculous to say that katrina would have been a wind event,,it was a hurricane that turned from a 2 to a 5 in 2days,, the mayor failed to do his job in preparing an emergency plan,,he failed to make sure he had competent personnel. you are right there were thousands that refused to leave,,,and the thousands that had no plan but to wait for the govt,,got just that,,to wait for the govt...
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fsev419 months, 3 weeks ago
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Champ, I'm with you 100%. You have to know about New Orleans, it's people and it's history to understand the Katrina disaster. Those who make these blanket accusations without knowing the true facts really get my goat. Yes, there was some fault all around but as you point out the evacuation was actually very successful, more so than the attempt at evacuating Houston a few weeks later. Nagin had been on TV and radio begging people to leave but many of these people have lived through numerous hurricanes and survived just fine. They saw no need to leave or did not have the means.
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I would guess that many of the naysayers have never been to New Orleans and certainly not to see the devastation that the flooding caused. Photos and TV clips simply do not convey the magnitude of the damage.
Yes, Louisiana has had its fair share of corrupt politicians but Gov. Bianco's admin wasn't tainted by corruption and Nagin's, although not known for it's efficiency wasn't known for its corruption either. Much progress has been made since Katrina on streamlining local and state government and introducing more stringent ethics legislation.
The failed levees were designed and built by ACE and they admit that the original design specs were weakened to save money in their construction. Also the Mississippi River-Gulf outlet channel , another ACE project actually channeled storm surge into the NO area contributing to the flooding. MRGO is now being abandoned and closed off with a dam. Much of the marsh areas that once protected NO from storm surges have been destroyed by oil and gas exploration thus making the city more vulnerable. New Orleans, itself, had no control over these conditions.
I shouldn't let the likes of Locky, Ellsworth-Touhy, Hhussk and the others get to me but I just get so p*ssed when they make such stupid statements about something which they know so little about that I just have to vent. They probably think that MardiGras is all about Bourbon Street and bare breasts. Sad how much they don't know. Champ. my hat is off to you and your family and some others like you that I know in NO for having the drive to go back and rebuild what was taken from you including that unusual sense of family and community that you can't seem to find anywhere else.
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flyonthewallzz9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here is how I see it: for every hour I work.
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12.6 minutes goes to the fed for income tax.
4.6 minutes goes toward paying for social insurance (my employer has to cover and bill for another 4.6 minutes)
1.9 minutes goes to my state.
4.2 minutes goes to my city.
3.9 minutes goes to covering my family for health insurance.
This leaves me with about net of about 32.7 minutes.
From that I need to subtract 7% sales tax and property tax.
Not sure how much I pay to insure my home?
It boils down to more than half of the time I am working is being taken by the government or to pay health insurance.
But the biggest chunk is taken by the Fed for income tax.
So if a meteorite crashed near my home, I do not think it would be unreasonable to expect not to freeze or starve or burn to death.
Not looking for a hand out just a return on my investment.
A full time working dude puts in about 2000 hour’s a year that boils down to about 6-1/2 weeks just paying into non-entitlement federal government spending.
If I could afford to spend a month and a half to help out, I would not hesitate. Even if I could not afford it, but if it was set up so that my skills could be of use.
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cushi9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Tell the truth!! These idiots saying, don't expect any help from the government have no common sense whatsoever. Locky12, Ellsworth Toothless, and the rest of you who think like them, if any kind of disaster occurs in your neck of the woods, I hope you get passed over for assistance since you don't believe you're entitled to any. That would free up more funds for people who really want and need assistance. You bozo's can pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps!
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DaneL9 months, 3 weeks ago
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After reading through all the posts I see that no one talked about having an emergency supply of food, water, firearms and fuel. Just how many of you people can last for a month on your own? Why in the world would you want to count on the government? Take responsibility for your own welfare and that of your family. If anything happens to the food supply you people wouldn't last a week. You people are fools if you think nothing can happen.
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My family knows if anything happens we all meet at the ranch where there is food, water and protection. It's just common sense. Plan ahead and be prepared.-
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CajunChamp9 months, 3 weeks ago
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FYI, for those that needed them, 100's of thousands of MRE's were handed out by the Nat'l Guard and the Red Cross within 48 hrs. There are many of us that do prepare ahead of time. There are those that are on welfare that have nothing and nothing to prepare. Those are the ones that need the assistance. All of the big box stores, radio and TV stations hand out preparation lists and such months before hurricane season. There are the "haves" and the "have nots" and those that have-not are the ones that NEED the government assistance from FEMA, Red Cross, etc. as well as us who volunteer.
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lvrofwolves9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Danel, sounds good but it's unrealistic to expect or even think most can be prepared like that.
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and stalemate, it's unrealistic to think everyone can just pick up and leave, especially those who know how to prepare for a hurricane, and had no idea what the true threat would be. I feel worse for the people hospitalized and elderly as well...but what about all the poor? people with no transportation or 2 pennies to rub together , I'm sure there are many more reasons why, and it's easy to say 'well I'd just pick up and leave' especially if you've never been in that situation.
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Spadecaller9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Bush is simply a drunk born with a silver spoon is his mouth. He has no ability to see himself as he really is. One of the most common characteristics of a drunk is their inability to be honest with themselves and others. Bush has proven that repeatedly for the past 8 years. Those that still support him must have a similar problem.
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gsdbuy9 months, 3 weeks ago
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I would like to thank TimALoftas his story yesterday inspired me to talk about this
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