Shhh: Obama may create “classified loophole” for enhanced interrogations »
Posted By pc25 9 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsThe news here is that this isn’t news. Less than a week after the election, rumors were already swirling that he was going to retain the option “in certain cases” to use procedures not authorized by the Army Field Manual
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991...
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Intelligence Policy to Stay Largely Intact
WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party. -
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/11/wsj-obama-ma...
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Clinton, who famously (or, rather, not famously) endorsed coercive interrogation two years ago in ticking bomb scenarios provided there’s some oversight mechanism like FISA review. Alan Dershowitz had the same idea, going so far as to propose “torture warrants” for exceptional cases. If The One does in fact load up his cabinet with old Clinton hands like Emanuel and Lawrence Summers at Treasury, and if it’s true that he’s made taking out Bin Laden a top priority, some variation on the Billy Jeff plan would be an obvious way to let him maneuver in extracting info from “difficult” subjects on Osama’s whereabouts or other pressing matters.-
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frctm59 months, 3 weeks ago
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Torture is ineffective for yielding intelligence. A far more reliable method is confidence building. There is no reason to pursue a policy that doesn't deliver results that can be relied upon. Those who advocate torture frequently do so under some perverse notion that it is getting tough with terrorists. This is not about revenge but about interdiction and effectiveness. The previous administration was obtuse and more concerned with projecting an image of toughness than with upholding our values or obtaining results. It plays well to a certain audience but is not an effective tool for fighting terrorism.
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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For Obama, who repeatedly insisted during the 2008 presidential campaign and the transition period that “America doesn’t torture,” a classified loophole would allow him to back up his vow to end harsh interrogations while retaining a full range of presidential options in conducting the war against terrorism.........How is Obama upholding his vow to end harsh interrogations if he’s not ending harsh interrogations? All he’s doing is scaling it down from the level of official policy to an ad hoc contingency, which makes it even more arbitrary and potentially abused. -
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RedRiverJ9 months, 3 weeks ago
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think he is all talked out after the campaign, besides it gets harder and harder to lie, or lets use the politically correct term "bend the truth" and expect the left to continue to believe you after they have seen you to back track on campaign promise after campaign promise. The next one is coal.........
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nostalgia9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Rev. Richard Killmer “We don’t need to be able to torture and we don’t need to engage in any interrogation techniques that are not humane. And unless we have absolute clarity that these interrogation techniques will not be used"
Killmer is going to wait a very long time to get "absolute clarity" from Obama on anything
Wiggle, wiggle, squirm, squirm, twist, twist and spin, spin are more like it-
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wtagg9 months, 3 weeks ago
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So please elaborate how this is any different from our previous presidents.
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Again, the best the complainers can do is believe that it will be as equally bad as before. The US voted for the new boss just like they voted for the old boss. Your Obama complaints are about the things that allegedly made you happy with Bush. Now that's irony.
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GLee9 months, 3 weeks ago
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You call it a 'loophole' and I call it 'protection of Americans'. Don't be nieve and think this 'interrogation' thing is going away or that by closing Gitmo there won't be any terrorist detention facilities outside of the US. Certain people will always do what is needed to protect this country. Be 'certain' of that..... what will be and needs to be done is keeping these little secrets secret. That will keep Obama 'clean' in the eyes of his 'people'.
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wtagg9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Certain people will always do what is needed to protect this country. "
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Just as certain people will continue to use the same rationale to do things that do not protect this country. Yes, they are also high ranking government officials. Including presidents.
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k9kssr9 months, 3 weeks ago
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gwhiddon9 months, 3 weeks ago
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slate9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Bush is called a war criminal over some of his decisions (gitmo, etc), Obama won't be.
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I think you are right about that. Obama will be given every chance possible and things that he does that mirror Bush will be considered 'different'.
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LABELDUDE9 months, 3 weeks ago
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The only fair way to do this is to have the U.S.A. use, in each case, the exact same methods used by the country of origin of the individual in custody. That way, U.S.A. liberals can whine and shout about the methods used with U.S. Citizens. All others captives will be comfortable and certainly respect the methods used by their own countries and our liberals can concern themselves with the U.S.A. Citizens and maybe Glomal Worming, too..
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DenCuddy9 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'll ask him when I see him today.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/b...
I will be there and let Obama know about PC25's sedition. LOL! -
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4thchance9 months, 3 weeks ago
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What this means is that Obama promised to stop the torture, but he will only make it appear that he's stopping it. Behind the scenes it will still be allowed. That is not what Obama promised. Obama did promise change. I guess one needs to pay very close attention to the meaning of the word change. This is exactly why we/the media should have been MUCH more forceful that Obama explain the details of his plans. The media seemed to refuse to ask Obama any tough questions, now we see why. This is why Obama would avoid Fox News reporters, because those reporters would be asking him the tough questions that Obama simply refused to answer and or was never asked. I beleive this is just the beginning of Obama NOT making good on his pie in the sky promises. You Betcha, CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN...what a freakin JOKE! Oh well, live and learn...
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OK Dems, let me have it with all your name calling and negative ratings.-
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wtagg9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"What this means is that Obama promised to stop the torture, but he will only make it appear that he's stopping it. Behind the scenes it will still be allowed. That is not what Obama promised. Obama did promise change."
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Compared to the current practice, it is change.
Maybe you would get better ratings if you used better logic. I get great ratings and I am a gazillions times more conservative than you, but then again, you aren't conservative.
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MILITA9 months, 3 weeks ago
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I AM INCENSED THAT OBAMA IS ABOUT TO BECOME
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PRESIDENT AND HE IS NOT CONSITUTIONALLY ELIGIBLE
TO BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF HIS
BIRTH CETIFICATE. THE SUPREME COURT HAD A TIGER
BY HIS TAIL AND DID NOT HAVE A PLAN AND BACK-UP[
PLAN FOR DEALING WITH HIS TEETH. THEY ARE ALREADY
TALKING ABOUT AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION TO GIVE
HIM TWO MORE TERMS. GOD HELP US ALL.
PHYLLIS KUNZ
PHYLLIS KUNZ-
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jakesguile9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow, six minutes. And I thought that 90-minute a$$hole the other day was bad.
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Please please please do us all a favor and never reproduce. I have a fun game you can play, it's called mutilate-the-genetalia.
The Supreme Court threw the thing out because it was a stupid, friviolous lawsuit with no grounding in real life. He couldn't have run in the FIRST F*CKING place if he wasn't a US citizen. He could run and THEREFORE he is a US citizen, SIMPLE as that. Do you REALLY think this country would let something like that slip through the cracks? For Nine Months? If it was true? We had Hillary, we'd have gone with the safe bet (in case you think it was a conspiracy to keep it covered up) There is no POINT to it, you DEFY logic. Please, go slap your Special Ed teacher, they're obviously underqualified.
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4thchance9 months, 3 weeks ago
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If I knew that Obama was going to go down this road, I probably would have voted for him.
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Looks to me he's not going to change much of anything really. Looks alot like the Bush plan to me.
Heck, perhaps Obama may end up being a good president after all!
OK Dems, let me have it with all your name calling and negative ratings.-
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wtagg9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"If I knew that Obama was going to go down this road, I probably would have voted for him.
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Looks to me he's not going to change much of anything really. Looks alot like the Bush plan to me.
Heck, perhaps Obama may end up being a good president after all!"
Thanks for making my point that you are a liberal.
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4thchance9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here's what I think happened, why Bambam Obama is now back peddling on his promises.
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Once he was briefed by the CIA/FBI on security and the terror threats we face, Obama finally gets it. Now he realizes he can NOT do what he thought he could do. Hey, I'm trying to give Bambam the benefit of the doubt and a way out here. But I expect you Dems to call me names and give me lots of Negs just the same.
I think our Bambam is very naive is what I think, but that's what we get for electing someone who has no experience. LIVE & LEARN... -
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xddy4ux9 months, 3 weeks ago
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This isn't about keeping Bush's Policy, it's about violating the Geneva Accord signed after WWII. That's what NATO is trying to get back to. Obama isn't going to boldly violate this. Bush got NATO and the UN looking a bunch of fools, supporting his stupid (S)hit. They are depending on Obama to bring back integrity. And he will.
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noliberlasman9 months, 3 weeks ago
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WHAT IS WITH AOL AND ALLL THE LEFT WINGS NEWS OUT THERE IT SEEMS YOU CANT GET ENOUGH OF THIS MAN I FOR ONE AM SICK OF IT
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YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE HATE FULL CHURCH THIS JOKE WENT TO ABOUT BILL AIRS ALL THE OTHERS THIS MAN AND HIS WIFE WERE HANGING OUT WITH
I FOR ONE AM TELLING AOL AND ALL THE REST OF THE SICK LEFT
THIS IS WHY PEPOLE HAVE LEFT YOU AS A ISP WHY NEWS PAPERS ARE GOING OUT
I DONT CARE FOR THIS MAN HE TALKS A GOOD LINE OF ****
BY THE WAY HILTER TALK REAL GOOD AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT THE GERMAN PEPOLE.
INSANE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW THIS MAN YOU ALL FOOLS
IT SICKEN ME AS A AMERCAN TO SEE THIS
WHEN FREEDOM SPEACH IS GONE LET SEE HOW MUCH YO UWORSHIP THIS
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jakesguile9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Caps lock my friend, that anger will kill you..... and dude, AOL lost people because they're neoconservative pieces of sh*t like yourself. I for one am sick of hearing you prattle on. Please, please, please find an insane asylum somewhere to drop dead unnoticed in.
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noliberlasman9 months, 3 weeks ago
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BY THE WAY ALL YOU BUSH HATERS
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TELL WHY THIS GUY IS NOT GET RID OF SOME OF BUSH
TOP SECURITY PEPOLE
MAYBE BUSH DID A GOOD JOB
SAFE COUNTRY HA AFTER THE CLINTON AND HIS CLOWNS GUTED THE CIA
THANK YOU GWB FOR KEEPINF USE SAFE
YOU LEFTS R A SICK BUNCH-
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wtagg9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually, as nostalgia points out above, it is congress that approves expenditures. Thank them for reducing funding in the CIA.
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Quite frankly, I don't think more money would have helped an apparent project management issue.
Also, when the CIA provides some info, you need to listen to it for the info to be effective.
Please allow your dad to get back on the computer.
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crespi9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually, after Clinton captured 5 out of 6 of the 1993 WTC bombers we had no more terrorist attacks on American soil during his administration.
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SO CLINTON'S RECORD ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT IS EXACTLY AS GOOD AS BUSH'S.
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nepetro9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Of course course he'll keep the option open, he's not going to let innocent Americans die because of a few vocal lefty's, it would be political suicide. I don't care if he parses his words to satisfy non-Americans (that includes leftist fanatics) about how he'll do it, as long as he does what he has to in order to keep us safe.
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