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Natureboy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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KISA452a10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"having sex and then offering forgiveness for it" So, first you complain that Catholics can "just do anything then say they're sorry.". Then it turns out the Church doesn't agree and those who dispense abo****ion can not absolve themselves and you complain? The problem is allowing the judge to exonerate himself brings down the entire fabric of justice making it worse than anything that is done and then is brought to the bar of justice. Or that would be my guess never having heard of this idea or these folks before. I wonder, though, if a priest forgiving himself for other crimes is considered the same... If not, I have to wonder why this exact sin is chosen...
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If you assume the wafer if the body of christ then people defiling it are directly defiling God. If you think it is just a piece of bread, as you folks do, then it makes no sense.
Also, consider that the Church considers life and body on earth as less important than the eternal soul.-

david_nwpa10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yes, try selling these concepts to survivors of the Holocaust. Better yet, try selling these ideas to victims of severe crimes like rape or incest. A true criminal can be absolved by a priest, but it takes the crime of wafer-nailing to merit a visit to the Vatican. That makes no sense at all.
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Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why is it hard to understand that priests are (or should be) held to a higher degree of standards regarding their faith traditions and understandings of theology? Why shouldn't one be more forgiving to someone who doesn't understand their transgressions as well as someone who does?
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Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Why is it hard to understand that what a priest does with his wee fella, with another consenting adult, is naughtiness on a lesser scale than genocide?"
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Firstly, this isn't what it says. What it says is that his doing so and then subsequently absolving the other person of any sin is a greater violation against the Church. That's a very different thing.
He's violating the fundamental underpinnings of the theological system that he is supposed to support.
I hate to say it but murder, genocide, et cetera happen every day as a part of human nature. It's all horrific, especially intentional genocide, such as is happening now in the Gaza Strip and Africa, and as happened with the Jews during WWII. But they weren't violations of the fundamental underpinnings of a theological structure and system the violators were supposed to uphold.-

Natureboy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I hate to say it but murder, genocide, et cetera happen every day as a part of human nature. It's all horrific, especially intentional genocide, such as is happening now in the Gaza Strip and Africa, and as happened with the Jews during WWII. But they weren't violations of the fundamental underpinnings of a theological structure and system the violators were supposed to uphold."
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I don't blame you for hating to say it. It's essentially the same rationale used by the Church for supporting the Nazis, Mussolini etc. "all flesh is grass, but the word of the lord is eternal" etc.
The fact that the church would place the sanctity of its theology above human life, well, that's the best argument you could articulate for the abolition of the church-

david_nwpa10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Horsecrap. Human beings were slaughtered during World War II by the Nazis and the Italians. The best that the Church could do is turn a blind eye to the transgressions. Often, the Catholic Church appeared to appease the Nazis. No wonder they do not think that genocide is as serious a sin. Isn't taking an innocent life worth far more than the mishap of a lowly priest?
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Dionys10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The fact that the church would place the sanctity of its theology above human life, "
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This isn't what it says either, but spin it however you want to justify your hatred.
But isn't the constant hatred spread by humankind the best argument you could articulate for the abolition of humankind?
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is a matter of quality;
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blashphemy, in christian ethics, is worse than violence; since violence is sin against
other men, and blasphemy is a sin against God.
It doesn't mean they were in favor of genocide;
just that they had a hierarchy of sins,
with a special court for the really high ones.
Cut the 12th century some slack, Natureboy.
The 21st isn't in favor of genocide; but we don't do much to stop it either.
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