Ted Haggard - Today selling Life Insurance, Supports Gay Marriage. »
Posted By Goppy 10 months, 2 weeks ago in ReligionSays Ted: "The church told me to go to hell. I now know more about hatred and judgment than ever before, and I know it doesn’t help.”
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Ask me how Christian Conservatives reinvented Jesus!
It began in the 60's with a core group who fought hard AGAINST Civil Rights ... - and - AGAINST ...
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is easy for me. As anyone who has read my bio knows, I believe the origins of the Modern Christian Evangelical movement in America has it's roots in the endemic bigotry of 60's in certain regions of the country.
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It's an intolerance that sometimes ensnares those who champion those who preach it.
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ybdogsct10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Here is a more in-depth article, if you're interested.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?...
A key point in the doc is how conservative evangelical Christians -- the folks who often preach about loving the sinner but hating the sin -- literally banished Haggard from Colorado. "Exile" is how Haggard described it in the doc. "The church told me to go to hell."
In the film, he talks about how the church could have used his story as an example of how to preach forgiveness. But churches are a business, too, he said, and acknowledged that he was bad for biz.
"I think we're blowing it right here in California with the No. 1 way evangelical believers are communicating their belief are things like Prop. 8," Haggard told The Chronicle Friday.
"The gospel is so much better than trying to interface our personal commitments in scripture with civil law. We as Christians know that God hates divorce, and we don't want to be advocates of divorce, but we certainly aren't opposed to there being divorce laws for society. And believers use those divorce laws a lot. There are lots of things that are principles in Scripture that we need to be very thoughtful about whether or not they should be inculcated into civil law."
"I think the government should recognize the union between people whether they're gay or not in whatever the language they choose, whether they call it a marriage or a civil union, it's up to them. If the government is going to be in the business of recognizing people grouped together as couples, then they need to that across the board. It's a big change for me."
"It's not a change in my view of civil liberties. I've always believed this. It's a change in semantics. I'm saying prior to the crisis, I would defend marriage as the sacred term for the church to use for heterosexual monogamous couples. Now I've broadened that and said it's not worth having a war over the definition of a word. I believe that under civil law people should be respected. And it should be equality under the law. So either the government needs to get out of recognizing that couples are together and make everybody file the same tax returns, etc. Or they need to recognize all of them. I don't think it's wise for the government to separate based on what goes on in a person's bedroom."
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not2needy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Everything happens for a reason.
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If Haggard had not been exposed, he would still be behind the pulpit, preaching hell fire and damnation of gays, or anyone who didn't donate generously to him.
I believe in God, and He definitely works in mysterious ways!-
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Natureboy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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OTOH, public relations often works in fairly creepy ways.
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If you read the rest of the SFgate blog, it turns out that HBO's people called an hour after the interview to clarify that Haggard DOESN'T support gay marriage.
It also gets real clear that this is all promo for an HBO documentary on Haggard, and that it is being produced by Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Alexandra.
So, be prepared for the democrat propaganda machine to by hyping this big-time.
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dandt161210 months, 2 weeks ago
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I hope Haggard has learned a lesson and will grow from it.
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Some of the worst hateful and judgemental people I've ever seen sit the the church pew every Sunday and shout AMEN to everything they are told but walk out the church doors and it's right back to the hatred and judgement. What's really sad is when you see it inside the church. -
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mmrhe10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow...
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Where do you begin with this guy?
His marriage is stronger than ever but he's still tempted to have sex with men AND he concedes praying won't change his sexuality.
Good luck with the Life Insurance gig Ted! Something tells me your journey ain't over brother. -
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lancaster10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well another blog donated to bashing the Christian lifestyle , it seems to me that Christians are being blamed for everything wrong in the world today just like Germany blamed the Jews 70 years ago , ironic or history repeating itself .
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Goppy10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well ... the only thing that is REMOTELY being bashed ... is the hatred heaped upon Ted Haggard ... and that is only being bashed by people with a certain amount of inherent 'humanity'.
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People WITHOUT a sense of humanity feel compelled to pile on Ted and bash him some more.
People like yourself, maybe?
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david_nwpa10 months, 2 weeks ago
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That comparison is horribly obscene. First, no one is blaming Christians or bashing them. People are a wee through with the zealous right wing Christians who are taking away the rights of gays and lesbians. In a variety of states from California to Florida, gays and lesbians can be discriminated against in housing and education. Our relationships are relegated to second class status with domestic partnerships or some other contrived legal arrangements which are easily challenged in court. Gays and lesbians are portrayed as evil people who should not be entrusted with children, despite being allowed to be foster parents in many of those same states.
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Despite all that, lancaster, you claim it is the Christians taking the abuse, AND you have the unmitigated gall to compare their lot in life to the Jews in Nazi Germany? You sicken me, lancaster! -
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lancaster10 months, 2 weeks ago
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Tell all you guys what , when Christianity does fall ( God help us ) and the up and coming Islam take over , then you people will them find out the hard way what being a bigot is all about , why do you think all the gay's in the middle east leave , simple stay they die , and you call us Christians intolerent .
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