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Posted By gamahuche 10 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsLet us savour history today. Tomorrow for Barack Obama the hard part begins - the small matters of largely reinventing his country, trying to bring a semblance of order to an ever more turbulent world, and staving off economic Armageddon.
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is a day that will bring the people of the world together like no other in the history of the planet.
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Not only because the hope of Obama's success is almost universally shared but because his election comes at a time of such world-wide stress and crisis that, should he fail, the world would be brought to its knees.
In my memory there has never been an election of such crucial significance and one that the whole world depends on - and also that literally almost the whole world will be watching today.
Anyone who fails to give support to the new President is consciously tempting the direst of fates - the potential complete breakdown of the world order and other dire events - impossible to predict in their precise detail but almost certain to be catastrophic.
Its perhaps too much to hope that ALL the naysayers will put their prejudices to one side and share in this day with total enthusiasm, but it is encouraging that Obama meets this day with the support of 79% of the US public - after triumphing in a hard-fought, frequently rancorous campaign with only a little over 50% of the popular vote. That means that 60% of those who voted against him are willing to accept the new reality and to patriotically support their President, regardless of the fact that he was not their choice.
The rest seem to all be here on propeller, having a disproportionate effect on the nature of the discussions here.
It is my heartfelt hope that, on this day at least, they will join with the rest of the world in appreciation of an unforgettable day and a day of hope for mankind. Not doing so would be their sad loss.-
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for the invite to share the inaugural, Gamahuche!
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However, it does not look like I can get there.
We* piled into the hummer and told the navigation system to lead us to Prague.
The directions seemed easy; go west on highway 66, take a right to Alaska, cross the Bering straight on an ice flow and then straight, straight across Siberia, through central europe and you can't miss it: Czechoslavakia!
Well you might not know it, but apparently there is no Czechoslavakia.
We passed right thru in the night. All the signs said Czeck Republic and I thought that was some kind of a bank.
The hummer gave out in the Chunnel and we left it there.
We are hitching our way home in a freight container.
The other containers all have chinese immigrants; many of them are enthused about the inaugural, and about 50 of us are watching on the captain's cell phone which we borrowed don't tell.
Point being: some things are good no matter where they happen, and are shared by all, no matter where they are.
Cheers!
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I didn't see the Soviet Union, either, when I drove past Kamchatka; but it was dark and I was tired. It might have been where we stopped at a macdonald's to let the dog run around a bit.
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Of course he got into the playground tubes and bit some kid who was too old to be in there anyway.
Really it was just like home.
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'll get back to you with the directions, CRY!!
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I definitely had enough beer laid in for your whole crew and I'm a bit worried about whether I'll be able to finish it all by myself. The dogs will help of course..
Now I'm all set here at home - it looks like there are at least a couple of hundred people there in Washington..
Now my problem is how to watch and chat at the same time..
It seemed like a piece of cake in theory but...
I can say that this is the first time I've been as excited about a political event since the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1952.-
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, I like ocean liners too but I can't see that wacking a big ship with a champaign bottle is the same as inaugurating a decent prez for god's sake.
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That's just one crymtyphon's opinion, of course, and there may be others although
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think he meant the eponymous ocean liner..
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And it was Queen Victoria who was not amused!
A very different character and a very different time!
Well now the ceremony's done and I do have to say that the Queen's Coronation WAS more fun.. :(
Even though I scarcely saw it.
It was the first time I'd ever seen TV - and coundn't see it properly and complained bitterly about it
It turned out that I needed glasses.
HOWEVER - too big and marvellous to miss was Queen Salote of Tonga, larger than life in every way, who insisted on riding wothe her carriage open though it was pouring with rain and while everyone else was virtually invisible her beauty and smile overflowed - it brings a tear to my eye to think of it now.
This event I don't think will carry the same level of emotion.
It seemed more about restraint, for the most part.
Obama was fine and even when he fluffed a line it made a virtue of the whole scenario,
Feinstein was good and enthusiastically convincing; the blots on my card were the Reverend and the "poet" whose contributionwas way down on the minus scale.
GWB looked sad. Almost enough to raise a feeling of sympathy.
Will the people who were there remember it as a highlight of their lives?
By and large I would think not BUT that would undoubtedly change IF Obama can succeed in rescuing the US.
I was surprised how very concensual opinions were about what very deep do-do the US is in.
The tendency in Olde England would have been to keep a very stiff upper-lip and not let on at all.
I'm not in touch enough with the new England enough to really sense how it feels there, only having spent a few days there now and then in the last 20 years.-
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh well.
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It is hard for events of moment, to compete with the recollections of childhood.
England is still there; ruling the waves, not being slaves,
the royals misbehave while the Peers conclave and ravens croak on Arthur's grave, burma shave.-
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well it WAS a more cheerful moment in time, though England - and all of Europe - was still recovering from the 2nd WW and I was recovering from having been transhipped from my Czech homeland into this strange environment.
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There was a strong sense for honest and respectable behaviour which seems to have completely vanished in a morass of corporate greed and street anarchy.
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hyperbola10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well Gama, this is a UK newspaper after all - this means they mostly regurgitate "topics" defined by the american media. Other parts of Europe have much more differentiated opinions about what Obama means.
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This part of your screed is not acceptable:
""Anyone who fails to give support to the new President is consciously tempting the direst of fates - the potential complete breakdown of the world order and other dire events - impossible to predict in their precise detail but almost certain to be catastrophic.""
Obama deserves no more support than he earns. Given that he has appointed many prior war criminals to his government, he seems to have decided to continue the military imperialism that has bankrupted our country and trashed our constitution. That deserves zero support.-
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Justice4All10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Give him a chance hyper. He had to get elected first and there are some things you can't take a stand with or the media will make sure you are never in the news again.
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It wont be as easy for Obama to fix the things Bush screwed up as it was for Bush the screw things up in the first place.
You should know that any hint of fairness toward Palestine during the campaign would have evoked the rath of the media. His best hope is for the truth about Israel and Palestine to eventually reach the people.
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Gama,
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I certainly hope Obama has success in leading the government in solving at least some of the problems we face. And I'm glad that science is probably coming back in some form.
The speech was a bit "goddy" for me, and I didn't hear much that really moved me except the phrase about personal responsibility and that about reaching out to people of the world. I hope those actually grow legs and we really do see change that is more than just rearranging the political furniture.
Glad you found the day unforgettable and inspiring.-
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most_reasonable10 months, 3 weeks ago
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As Golda Meir has said, there will be Peace in the Middle east when the arabs learn to love their children more than they hate jews.
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Of course that also goes for Loving their Shiite children more than they hate the Sunnis, or loving their Sunni children more than they hate the Shiites.
As for the fundamentalist muslims like the Iranians and al qaeda, they hate everyone, especially their girl children and wives.
The mission of Women Against Shariah is to prevent and outlaw the imposition of shariah law in the United States for both Muslim and American women as either a parallel legal system or a replacement for existing laws. Additionally, we hope to empower women worldwide to resist shariah.-
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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This would be a great start to the global emancipation of women. If we stop it before it gets started, I think we will have fewer problems than Europe has had.
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I agree with Crespi that we need to formulate language that covers all extremist religions with respect to women's rights as fully human beings.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
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Natureboy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Methinks that those who believe the presidency will be either miracle or disaster will be disappointed.
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Expect to see the ship of state continue on its current course for the most part.
Those who seek profound change must themselves become the agents of such change. Looking for profound change from those who sit at the helm of the status quo is foolish and doomed to failure.-
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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WOW. You think that a president has the ability to overturn the congressional laws signed by presidents.. You live in a fantasy land. One thing he said in his speech sounded good until you live with reality. That he would make government work. trying new things and stopping things that do not work. I have heard several presidents say and try to do that. It is extremely difficult to kill any government program. They keep being well fed and fattened even though they do more harm than good. They are extremely hard to kill.
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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Congress? Sure, it'll be largely the same. But those unnoticed federal agencies that are exclusively under the control of the executive branch (FDA, FEC, FCC, all those acronyms) will almost immediately revert to doing their important work after being emasculated and eviscerated from within by the Bush administration.
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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bigG10 months, 3 weeks ago
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hey dingaling - how you feeling about our new President? You know, the one that clearly has a brain? (unlike the Bozo that just left)
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I didn't vote for Obama but I was sure celebrating today - and it wasn't the fact that he became President but because Bush wasn't President anymore.
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Man - I hope you don't strain anything trying SO hard to find fault, libsRfunny.
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I'm sure you can find tons more to criticize, but leave this one alone - you'll
just embarass yourself.........................
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jakesguile10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I guess that means he's got some humility huh? Imagine, a person who acts human instead of with a Messanic Complex.
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Then again you're used to your good ol' boy bumbling over MANY MANY more words than Obama without an attempt to correct himself-
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alakazam10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I just gotta do this....*snicker*
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF48IghIN7c
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splitrch10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endo you truly are an embarrassment. Your philosophy of pillage, rape and plunder wrapped in the flag and carrying the Bible has failed. I imagine it will be at least 50 years before we are stupid enough to be hoodwinked by your heroes again. I would prefer never but never is a long time. Have a nice night - I will.
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splitrch10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually I''d bet he was very excited to be swearing in a new President for the first time. I'm sure he knows the lines. Maybe, as a Human Being, the emotion of the moment got the better of him? Things happen. We all have more important things to deal with than the Chief Justice blowing a couple of lines.
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quackpot10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The ship of state is a large one that is slow to move. But, the captain does have power to move it gradually one way or the other. A change of direction is certainly needed, and the change will certainly be a gradual one. It remains to be seen which unseen obstacles lie in the path of the new direction.
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Quackpot I phoned my 4th grade english teacher and asked if "It remains to be seen which unseen obstacles" was a proper phrase or too paradoxical.
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thanks g!
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The inauguration of President Barack Obama is a great moment for our nation. How his presidency will affect positive change remains to be seen; however, it is a sad day for those who are unable to share in this wonderful event that is a testament to the fact that opportunity for a poor white or black child to find success in this country can not be denied anymore.
Without the efforts of the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King,Jr. this day would not have been possible. Though I can only feel pity for those who choose to exclude themselves from this great event, I feel privileged to be alive to see this moment in history take place.
“At least Americans will be able to remember the gig when the disillusion kicks in.”
This comment was emailed to me in response to a video that I recently posted. That comment is not just the sentiment of one foreign critic; understandably, there are many skeptics who believe he will fail in his attempts to change the course of partisan politics in Washington, that he will not end the war, that he will not help make education and health care a right for all Americans, that he will not help rekindle the opportunity for the impoverished and the middle class to live with dignity and to raise their children with the hopes of a more promising future.
What can I say to the poor soul who finds it easier to mock Americans who are feeling hope and enthusiasm for a new President and for a new agenda – one that can make a meaningful difference?
”Will the disillusionment kick in?” Sure it will. We all flounder along the way. Nonetheless, someday our children or their children will make it to the mountaintop. And, we shall live in good conscience knowing that we pushed that boulder up the hill. With our last breath of air, some of us will leave this earth knowing that we dedicated our lives to making a difference.
I am only one American, and I know progress will be dependent upon the support of many people. I am not a naive starry-eyed armchair liberal. I don’t just talk and vote once a year. Like millions of people, young and old, I contact our legislators in Washington. I write about the issues. I participate in activities to promote the involvement of others. I try to inspire and encourage others to step up and be counted too. And I do that in fellowship with others – not for a pat on the back, but because I believe with all my heart in the inalienable rights that all human beings deserve to share.
It only seems easier and safer for some to stand on the side lines and throw stones. However, the joy of being in partnership with human beings around the earth who want to make a difference and who are trying to make a difference is an undeniably powerful experience. WE do have something profound to celebrate today.-
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Spadecaller10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well...g, our nation is now represented by President Barack Obama.
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What an amazing change in itself!
I thought the ceremony and the impact of the people present was moving. I loved hearing Itzhak Perlman and Yo-Yo Ma's performance.
I must admit that I had to persevere and at best tolerate Pastor Rick Warren's invocation; I still believe that it would be better to keep religious observance a personal and private issue and that a moment of silence would serve our nation's best interests. Other than that one thorn, I thought the ceremony was outstanding and that I could feel a connection with people throughout the world.-
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gamahuche10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The music WAS great!
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I also just read Obama's speech - see Beau's link - and it was very well crafted and covered all the bases.
The $64k question of course is can he pull it off - and unfortunately I'm not sure that even if one believes that "If anyone can do it he can" is sufficient of an answer right now.
First because its possible than noone can do it and second that he will be able to do it ONLY with the massive co-operation of ALL Americans.
Right now, before the inauguration he was polling 79%. Which means, theoretically, that 60% of those who voted AGAINST him had come over to his side.
This is probably as close to the maximum support that he can hope for - and its not to be sneezed at.
The question remains whether he can retain that support when the going gets tough and some unpopular decisions may need to be made.
In the end it may not be about whether HE can do it but whether ANYONE can do it.
It may be that the US's time is up as the world's single most dominant player - which doesn't necessarily mean that the US is going to disappear in the swamp - but it may mean finding a different way to work co-operatively with some other important player(s).
Please note that I have no personal agenda in this - nor any ready-made solutions.
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=274_VdeckAU
And though it appeared that Obama stumbled over the words while reciting the oath, the poster of the YouTube video points out that Chief Justice Roberts deviated from the text of the oath as written in the Constitution, and Obama waited for him to correct himself before going on. It's hard to tell whose mistake it was, but I don't think it's very important anyway, as long as he said the words as directed by the Constitution.
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's nice to see people are hopeful. Maybe I'm too close to it all, but political changes just don't excite me much, and even make me wary. I'm glad for blacks, because it's certainly a day of celebration for them.
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I think that he has done a lot of recalibrating from his early campaign promises, and I hope he contributes to some successes in areas like healthcare and world peace. I know there are positions I will have to fight, too, but I tried to lay them aside yesterday and just let those who are deleriously happy enjoy their moment.
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Poulenc10 months, 3 weeks ago
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But, Nature, change has already occurred: a renewed sense of the possible.
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Nuts and bolts are another matter, of course. What is important now, at the moment, is that, in the depths of a terrible winter, we can all reasonably look toward the light.-
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Obama has such a mixed record, that I'm very hopeful about some things (science) and not very hopeful about others (self-defense). I don't feel so much a renewed sense of the possible as relief that the religious right isn't completely in control, although the "g" word was used in the speech a bit too frequently for my comfort.
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lvrofwolves10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not one that thinks Obama is some kind of miracle worker, but he has given, and WE have given ourselves renewed hope and with that, many will find or regain the strength to fight for what is right, help in healing our country,many feel empowered. It is the people themselves that have made this possible, the people voted for Obama. I give credit to Obama for making a strong stand, and credit to the people for making it happen.Obama alone is not making a meaningful difference, Obama AND we the people are. What could be better then that? :-)
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for all the sad sacks who will exclude themselves in the healing because of racism, or they put party 1st, above America, what can I say but you are the reason for division, for the lack of great success when we are divided, for dragging America down. what is important is Americans are heading in the right direction, we expect the president to keep going in the right direction, it's up to the people to make sure he does that. This feels invigorating and I really think we will do it, but it's going to be slow, the more who jump on board and do their part, the better it will be. Everything can't be laid on Obamas shoulders, he's a man, like us all, we all have to help to succeed.-
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jovial10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The only ones that continually touted obama to be some kind of "Messiah" or "the chosen one" is the radical right. So the impression is there that people think that way, because the right framed it that way. They repeated it over and over again, until it stuck. Here's their strategy. First, they ratchet up the expectations of Obama to the highest point they can get it to. Then they watch closely for any failed attempts to get to those lofty ambitions. They immediately call attention to the slightest deviation or stumble, and then press the subject. Yesterday I was off, and as I sat down to watch the inaugaration on TV, I decided to scan the channels to see what all the major news channels were airing. CNN, MSNBC, and all except one channel weren't showing the inaugaration. Can you guess the channel? If you said FOX you were right! Well guess what Fox News was covering while crowds stood in front of the Lincoln monument in Washington? They were airing the Biden, shsssst story. You know the one that was about Biden's wife saying that Biden had a choise to be the Secretary of State. They saw this as a potential wedge issue to cause dissension in the ranks of the Obama cabinet. So they aired that instead. Funny, isn't it?
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jakesguile10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Jovie you need not worry anymore. Once Obama gets the Truth in Telecommunications Act passed (FINALLY) FOX will be able to lie a lot less. Not that this was a lie because obviously there was documented proof of this event, but for the OTHER things they've done. Maybe we'll also get rid of a few pundits on both sides that have stepped over the line.
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jovial10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I read the first line, but I had to stop. I'm not reading the damned thing just because you said so. If I knew you as one to be knowledgeable and on the good side of politics I might oblige. Be lucky I even looked. (BTW, that's how I knew it was a rap song, duh!)
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CRYMTYPHON10 months, 3 weeks ago
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We elected a president; not a God.
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I don't want him appointing disciples; just appointing honest men to the justice department.
I don't want him to heal lepers; just give decent health care a push.
I don't want loaves and fishes;
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bubba210 months, 3 weeks ago
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This morning, one of our local right-wing radio talk show hosts was making fun of all the people that support Obama and are feeling optimistic that change can occur.
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He said, "oh, change is coming, I can 'feel' it; I'm going to win the lottery because Obama is President so I better buy a lottery ticket." Then he went on to imply that the people who are excited about Obama and his inauguration are "worshiping" him, even using the term "messiah" with Obama's name (and repeating over-and-over "Barack HUSSEIN Obama"). That is, of course, pure baloney.
The neocons are so pi$$ed that Obama was elected, they will say anything to try to denigrate him and demean his supporters.
The neocons want to minimize as much as they can the HISTORICAL significance of this event - THAT is why so many people are excited and supportive, NOT because they 'worship' him.
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HannibalBarca10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Weird,,,I see two replies to bubba's comment but can only see one ????
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fiftynine10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thats easy to answer bubba2..they are compassionate conservatives that put the best interest of this country's first .(sarcasm).This was all brought on by the geious that went to Washington as the edumacation president that promised to be a uniter,not a divider...lol
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I love those right wingers that still can't get over Obamas middle name,as if he personally choose it..what a bunch of idiots.-
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CactusAnnie10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, now that I have seen your lovely name and wild new avatar I am! Too bad Ranchie, Alpha and the Birddog aren't around to throw you a Barbecue! You are a sight for sore eyes, you ole son of an ex-hippie, you! There are some new folks around we might be able to talk into some new adventures if you ever have the time... I haven't had any time to spare until just recently, myself.
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fiftynine10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Freezing my azz off tang..how is that cold down Ga. way?
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Been awhile...hope your doing fine and everyting is good for you.
Couldn't stay away.Puter broke last summer and i didn't get it fixed for a while....we all nbeeded a break from it any way...something i would suggest to anyone that spends to much time on the net..-
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fiftynine10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Good ..glad to hear it...Come on over and join my group..The metal,hard rock,classic rock,blues and polka group...Taking up kind of where i left off before..good group,lot of good song submissions....the time out corner..You could definitely be an asset.
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tanglang10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Bubba,
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Racism is an ugly monster that has existed in the world for quite some time. Unfortunately it will take an even longer time for it to die off. We needed a black CIC and a female CIC 50 years ago. Havinbg said that, you have to admit that anyone who votes for someone just because of their race is just as racist as the person who votes against someone for the same reason.
Whats just as bad as racism is the fact that everyone in the nation feels the need to place themself into one category or another. And everybody hates every other category. Its just hatred of people for the sake of hating them. How are we to move forward as a society when this hatred exists? There are people on here who instead of just being happy that their candidate won, are being nothing more than sore winners. Immediately wanting to silence the voice of millions of Americans by wanting the new president to shut down the nations highest rated news network. They are no better than the ones who are immediately trashing President Obama without giving him a chance. With this going on how can we hope to get out of the mess we are in? The only way we are to survive is to come together as Americans and drop the petty bullsht. I myself am going to talk to some R's on here about changing their attitudes and will be asking them to root for the home team.
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jovial10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Do you think any black person in their right mind would vote for McCain? Republicans stand for everything that is anti-civil rights. They ridicule most of the black leaders. They say MLK is a womanizer. Sharpton is a glory hound. On and on. Then they have the balls to claim racism when black people won't vote for them. HA! Most black politicians are Democrats, so it is easy to see why black people vote Democrat. It's so stupid to think otherwise.
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DarkWizard10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not a psychologist, but I play one on TV. Okay...seriously. I read your comments a couple of times and think that your overall message and intentions are good. Unfortunately, some of the statements within these good intentions were "gaff" riddled. The comments make it clear who you identify with and that you have as much of a problem not sniping at "the other category" as those you claim to be uniting with. It's much like a left handed compliment, but with more diplomacy. This mental "blind spot" is as much a part of the reason for the categorization issues as any differing philosophical view.
So, be careful that your own words aren't widening the rift instead of bring both sides together. Otherwise, If you are truly serious about becoming the "Great Uniter" on Propeller, "the petty bullsht" you are fighting against will be with a foil instead of an open hand.
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lvrofwolves10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I swear I haven't heard one person call or think Obama is the messiah or some savior except for neocons telling others that that's what we think. Sounds like they're the ones who have unrealistic expectations of what Obama is capable of doing, which is cleaning up the horrid mess their beloved ex president and his cronies have made all before Obama even took office...wow! they do think he is a messiah! no wonder they are disappointed. I still can't understand why some still aren't disappointed in their beloved EX, mysteries of the world!
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Obama says 'yes WE can' I've never heard him say 'yes I can'
for those of you who don't want to be part of the 'we' you will never be part of the solution, nor should you share in the success, but you will.....undeserving tho.-
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DarkWizard10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I swear I haven't heard one person call or think Obama is the messiah or some savior except for neocons telling others that that's what we think. Sounds like they're the ones who have unrealistic expectations of what Obama is capable of doing..."
Indeed!
The right-wing is afraid that President Obama will be successful in turning our nation around and that they will, in turn, be marginalized for decades to come. Of course, we've heard their whining, gnashing of teeth, and portents of ills to come. But, HOPE is alive and I'll be damned if I'll let them kill the revival of the American spirit for the hatred their pundits spew. And, yes, it is hatred. It is not journalism or news. Just hateful musing from a species that looks like us but scurries when confronted with facts and/or logic.-
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slate10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The right-wing is afraid that President Obama will be successful in turning our nation around and that they will, in turn, be marginalized for decades to come."
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Actually I hope he can turn things around and earn my vote in years.
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alakazam10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Actually I hope he can turn things around and earn my vote in years."
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I do too, Slate.
I won't vote for him a second time if he doesn't...:)
I think the Republican Party really needs to get back to their Conservative roots.
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DarkWizard10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I know you claim to be a right-winger, but I consider you more of a moderate. You definitely think and speak for yourself instead of blindly following the rabble and babble of NeoCon tribe which has kidnapped the GOP. I apologize for using the term right-wing as a generic grouping. I will be more clear from now on.
As I've stated before, I actually enjoy your comments. And, I believe that their are some other "true" conservatives on Propeller who aren't of the ilk of which I often speak.-
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tanglang10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually Slate is pretty common for the Republican party. It's that guys like him arent sexy. They don't get any play. The R's, and D's for that matter that are thrown in your face everyday are the kook fringe that really make an ass out of themselves. You know, the whole "one bad apple" thing.
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CactusAnnie10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey, who says Slate is not sexy??!! You ever look at his avatar? And you can't leave out his almost wicked, subtle sense of humor. Heck, tang, in some of his comments he almost achieves mathematical perfection. He is more Republican than most of the "pretty faces" they offered up in the primaries....
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DarkWizard10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...the kook fringe that really make an ass out of themselves. You know, the whole "one bad apple" thing."
Yes...I see now. You have opened my eyes! Lets point out that "one bad apple" and run him/her out of town! Then we will have a peaceful Propeller with much laughter and gaiety! Riiiight....
Again, I'll state that the vocal NeoCon faction is reprehensible and needs to hear that from the likes of you and slate. Let them know that they don't represent your views. When I see this happen I will know that you are free of the conformity associated with party affiliation.
I'm not just talking about making some general statement, but actually addressing an individual's post that claims to be a Republican, but is really an extremist. I would give you a quid pro quo, but I'm not a Democrat. I'm an Independent. However, if I see any Independent extremists, I'll give em' hell. -
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slate10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wiz I'm a realist more than anything, I have voted for both parties over the last 3 Decades,,,,,,though on most issues I'm right of center,,,, the right person for the job (as I see it at that time) at hand is who I vote for
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Gore wasn't that Guy in 2000, I was out of pocket in 2004 so I didn't get a chance to vote. 2008, I had no idea what Obama was,,,, he presented himself as a clean Slate that any idea of what Change and Hope could be for individuals could be projected on to him,,,,,, so he didn't get my vote, Mc Cain wasn't my first choice but I knew what I would get from him as it pertains to International things at hand,,,,,,,, now it seems that Obama is more like minded in that than those that voted for him believed,,,,
Even yesterday, he concreted that like minded resolve,,, so, after fearing him to be far left,,, Obama now seems that he will govern more in the middle on most issues and that gives me Hope I can believe in,,,,,, I know some things he will be more on the left,,,,,, all I can do is see how it goes,,,,, and the Kicker is he, Pelosi and Reid may have differing views which is also hopeful,,,,,
Time will tell,,, if earned he will get my vote,,, if someone else is running and I think they will be better for the job 4 years from now I will vote for them,,,,,, Simple
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Obamasiah. Does that make you happy.
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One nice thing about this inauguration as opposed to Bush's first one is there are no groups out there protesting. That does make a point of which side is the most gracious. When Bush was inaugurated there were a lot of liberal groups that protested. So why are there no angry conservatives out there like the liberals were for Bush? That says something about the people on the left and right.-
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tanglang10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Man, I take off for a while and come back to find that they'll let all kinds of riff raff speak their mind on here. Even you lousy Canadians. ; p
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Hey Hanni, do me a favor and keep this cold as weather up there with you. I don't want it.
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sinophil4910 months, 3 weeks ago
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endo - No one is protesting at Obama's Inauguration because he had an 83% approval rating on how he has managed the transition period and 72% feel he will improve the country in the next 4 years.
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By contrast, Bush's approval rating the past 2 years has not been above 37% maximum and has dipped as low as 20%.
You are correct. It does say something about the people on the left and right - BOTH SIDES are looking forward to Obama's presidency.
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fiftynine10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I remember a speech by another man...Bill Wilson(some of you might know him).He gave a talk about a program he co founded and how it helped him and others..it went on for over an hour and in that hour he never said I...Try that some time.Obama exhibits some of those same qualitys.
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was no fan of Bush, and I will cautiously watch Obama, since he's a political animal, too. I think he has an opportunity to do useful things, and while I strongly disagree on a few issues, I generally agree with him on most issues.
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The SNL skits will be interesting to see.
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Eagle_Eye10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The evil empire is gone!!!!
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"Pick ourselves up, dust our selves off, and begin the work of remaking America"
Let the change begin!!!!!
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With God as our father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.
Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step i take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
With peace eternally.
Let ther be peace on earth,
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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We should cut him a break, crespi - it's probably the effects of all that
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tungsten coated sport ammunition.
Oh - maybe he didn't know it was a health hazard? Oh well, you know
how government agencies have been. Maybe he can get on an
endangered species list himself - but I doubt the NRA would allow THAT!
You hang tough, DaneL...........................
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jakesguile10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow..... just wow
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I'd like to make some....derisive comment about how someone ought to make a pelt out of you but..... wow I just can't think of something witty enough to say in response to what you said.... it's so horrible it really has left me speechless.
You are one SICK PUPPY
maybe someone ought to put you to sleep-
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jakesguile10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I understand completely. I'm a very tenderhearted person who is against violence but when I see horrific statements like his...my mind just shuts down and all I can think of is how it's possible for someone to make such.....awful and completely evil statements.
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Endoscopy10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The rhetoric that the liberals are spouting is doomed to have significant failures. No man can live up to all that hype. His speech today is an example. It was all polish given with a lot of emotion. Great inaugural speeches have a lasting impact. They lay the groundwork for the president to go forward with. Most things they propose in the first 2-3 years can be found in that speech. This speech was a lot of high sounding phrases and platitudes. Trying to find a plan for the future from it is like walking in quicksand. Nothing to stand on for a foundation for the future.
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flyonthewallzz10 months, 3 weeks ago
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12:15 PM
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here's the full transcript of his inaugural address:
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Better late than never:
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Transcript of Rev.Lowery's benediction thanks to the Wash. Post:
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't know if he has parkinsons - I do know he is an elderly gentleman.
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Re: "redman"
Maybe not entirely pc by today's standards - but there was NO intent
to demean our Native Americans. I believe it is the INTENT that matters.
This man, Rev.Lowery, established the Southern Christian Leadership Conference
with Dr. King - in the 60's. Christian or not - which I am not, black or not - which I
am not, it was an organization that peacefully and non-violently tried to organize
Americans (any and all of us who wanted to participate) to bring about the
changes we had been promised in words - and make those promises a
reality right here on the streets of America.
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amazed10 months, 3 weeks ago
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actually, if you look at the tape, Obama did leave out several words (uphold I think among them -- I have no audio on this computer) even after Roberts recovered and fed him the lines.
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I'm sure that it's of little significance... if it were his intention to do damage to the US (as some of the more radical rightists have claimed) I'm sure he wouldn't care about whether or not he actually took the oath.
Hopefully, all will go well in any case.
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JamesMarcus10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I found it incredibly touching that Obama, who seemed almost impossible to rattle during the campaign, kept fumbling his lines during the oath. I think the guy was nervous for a change! But his speech was beautifully controlled and very moving.
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AnteUp10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yeah reallypsst ~
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It WAS Chief Justice Roberts:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2009/01/chief-...-
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Roberts was supposed to stop after each phrase, and kept on going, confusing both of them. Here is Bush's:
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memestryker10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hmmm...well, here is Bush's first inauguration, and it's the long form!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YufAf32ilQ
Just for grins, I just watched them all back as far as Bush 1, and found that most of them actually used the longer form, and only Bush 2's second swearing in used single phrasing.
Anyway, they both are newbies, and I give them both a pass. I don't think there was any evil intent on Roberts' part. I think they both were nervous. Roberts will know to always have the written words in front of him--even if he's memorized it--after this! Under enormous pressure we all operate on fewer cylinders.
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