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  STONERS9 months, 3 weeks ago

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  "The unanswered question: Whether the new Democratic president will actually listen to GOP concerns about the amount of spending and the tax approach — and modify his proposal accordingly."

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    PatrioticAmerican9 months, 3 weeks ago

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    THE ANSWER IS..........NO he has no intention of listening to them he is just making a show like he cares

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      sinophil499 months, 3 weeks ago

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      Patriot - Yeah! Obama has to learn from Bush how to completely ignore the opposition and not even bother meeting with them. Bush knows how to stomp on the opposition and show them what he really thinks of them (if he even thinks of them). In Bush's world view, there is only one point of view - HIS. Rookie Obama is just wasting his time playing nice w/ the Republicans

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      ybdogsct9 months, 3 weeks ago

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      PATRIOTIC AMERICAN:
      "THE ANSWER IS..........NO he has no intention of listening to them he is just making a show like he cares"
      
      That's a laughable charge coming from a supporter of the Republican Party. The truth is that it was the REPUBLICAN Party who went to extreme lengths to exclude Democrats from the legislative process.
      
      REPUBLICANS REFUSING DEMOCRATIC INPUT ON MEDICARE & ENERGY BILLS
      http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10...
      "On two of the most critical bills this Congress has considered -- the Medicare and energy bills -- Republican committee members met in private, refusing to allow entry to Democrats by claiming that the meetings were not official conference sessions.
      
      While Republican leaders claimed to obey congressional rules by allowing Democrats to attend the opening and closing sessions, the actual writing of the bills was done in secret and exclusively by Republicans; in some cases, Democrats didn't even know in which room their committee colleagues were holed up writing the bill. Democrats were not permitted entry into the closed-door talks to write the complicated bill."
      
      EXCLUSION OF DEMOCRATS FROM BUDGET RESOLUTIONS, TAX CUTS, TRADE, MEDICARE, FAMILY PLANNING AND MOST MAJOR BILLS
      http://www.spa.american.edu/ccps/getpdf.php?table=...
      "Bush chose to govern from the 'right-in' rather than the 'center-out.' This pattern held on budget resolutions, tax cuts, energy, Medicare prescription drugs, family planning and abortion, trade, and most other major bills. This tended to leave Democrats out of the equation and to put great pressure on Republican moderates to acquiesce in positions formulated by the conservative 'majority within the majority.'
      
      The exclusion of Democrats from conference committees reached a new high in 2003, facilitated by unified Republican control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. The extraordinary lengths to which the Republicans went to win roll-call votes represented a further shutting out of Democrats, for the idea was to win with as little bipartisan accommodation as possible. 'The Republicans had better hope that the Democrats never regain the majority,' Sen. John McCain warned in late 2003."
      
      ILLEGAL EXCLUSION OF DEMOCRATS AND PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS FROM CHENEY'S ENERGY MEETINGS
      http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020415/nichols
      "Vice President Dick Cheney cleared his calendar for an April 17 private meeting with Lay regarding what aides described as 'energy policy matters' and 'the energy crisis in California.' Cheney and his aides met at least six times with Lay and other Enron officials while preparing the National Energy Policy Development Group's report, which is the basis for the Administration's energy policy proposals. When Cheney and Lay met in April 2001, Lay handed Cheney a three-page "wish list" of corporate recommendations.
      
      Under the Federal Advisory Committee Act of 1972, task forces like Cheney's must conduct public meetings, must allow interested parties to attend and must keep publicly available records. But arguing "executive privilege," Cheney, his aides and Cabinet departments have refused requests for records, despite legal challenges from the General Accounting Office and private groups."
      
      When oil execs were questioned about the existence of this PRIVATE meeting, they LIED about it before Congress with the help of Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who refused to swear them under oath:
      http://commerce.senate.gov/public/_files/energy110...
      "CHAIRMAN TED STEVENS: The question whether Senator Domenici and I should administer oaths to these witnesses. I shall not administer an oath today.
      CANTWELL: Mr. Chairman, I did send you a letter cosigned by eight of my colleagues asking that the witnesses be sworn in. This rare joint hearing--
      STEVENS: I did not yield to make a statement.
      BOXER: Mr. Chairman, I would like the committee to vote on whether we swear--
      STEVENS: There will be no vote. It is not in order at all.
      BOXER: Mr. Chairman, I move that we swear in the witnesses.
      STEVENS: And I rule that out of order.
      CANTWELL: I second the motion.
      STEVENS: Thank you very much. That is the last we are going to hear about that because it is out of order. "
      
      BILL THOMAS (R-CA) CONFESSES TO PLOT TO EXCLUDE DEMOCRATS FROM LEGISLATIVE PROCESS
      http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0...
      "Bill Thomas (R-CA) broke down in tears on the House floor today as he confessed to a hushed assemblage that he summoned the Capitol police to break up a meeting of Democrats. Late in the evening of July 17, Republican committee staffers substantially rewrote the Portman-Cardin bill and Thomas introduced the new 90-page bill as a substitute the next day, demanding a vote before any congressmen of either party had a chance to read it. The legislation is both complex and controversial. The Democrats objected and adjourned to a nearby library to review their options, leaving behind a single member, Pete Stark of California, to delay action by the committee by exercising his prerogative to have the bill read line-by-line. Thomas summoned the Capitol police to eject the Democrats from their impromptu meeting room, claiming they were engaging in disorderly conduct."

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      vor9 months, 3 weeks ago

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      Well if it means listening to further talk of tax cuts for the wealthy he shouldn't listen to them. Amazing how these same Republicans who are now screaming about deficit spending put out budget after budget loaded with debt from 2001-2008. Further exacerbating the situation with the off-budget debt of Iraq. The first time we ever cut taxes in a time of war.
      
      How hard is it to deal with the fact that trickle down doesn't work? Americans should be outraged at the suggestion we continue to follow such a wrong headed course. Meanwhile these same slimy folks that created these issues are busy doling out bonuses to themselves with taxpayer money meant as a remedy.
      
      We are a very sick country. Close to a failed experiment. Sick from greed - both corporate and individual. Failure over the next four years would leave much of America as a Third World country. And even worse could open the door for the likes of Sarah Palin. Just the type of tool needed to finish off the republic.
      
      I haven't traveled much domestically of late but a recent trip to South Memphis gave me a glimpse of what the future may hold. Shuttered stores, chain restaurants still recognizable only from their facades, now boarded up. An economy of convenience stores, check cashing outlets, and liquor stores. Trash blowing in the streets. You could see this was once a prosperous area, it wasn't a ghetto before. That lies much closer to downtown. It won't take much to tip the scales in a similar fashion in many other communities.

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      rimbaud9 months, 3 weeks ago

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      The Democrats have already agreed to some of the changes suggested by the Republicans.

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  EDWARDIII9 months, 3 weeks ago

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  we had two chances to elect real experts on bipartizan governing and we rejected them. I should say the democrats rejected them. Democrats have proved for the last 8 years that partizan hatred-- not opposition, hatred-- is their standard of behavior.

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  rimbaud9 months, 3 weeks ago

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  Are Republicans really a one-trick pony: "Reduce taxes, not spending"?

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    BB649 months, 3 weeks ago

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    Are Democrats nothing more than tax and spend on liberal projects for special interest groups. I loved the part of the educational spending and the clause no private institution would be eligible. So all choice programs are prevented from participating. The teacher's unions who at least in Milwaukee have produced some of the best street people, are getting more money to fail even better.
    
    Another part was for condoms. How does that help? Unless this was part of the funding for Larry Flint. He's been a big supporter of the DNC causes and Nancy Pelosi for years. He asked for help for the porn industry.
    
    The stimulus is a scam. It's huge spending on liberal causes from the last 40 years. They couldn't have gotten this passed in the old days so now they're renamed it. Scam, scam, scam.

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      ybdogsct9 months, 3 weeks ago

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      BB64:
      "I loved the part of the educational spending and the clause no private institution would be eligible. So all choice programs are prevented from participating. The teacher's unions who at least in Milwaukee have produced some of the best street people, are getting more money to fail even better."
      
      Quote and cite the line that states how much of the bailout money the teacher's union will be receiving. Exactly which teacher's union is receiving it: the national branch, state branch, district branch?
      
      Giving money to underfunded public education programs is NOT equivalent to funneling money to a nonprofit teacher's union. In fact, depending upon the state and district in which you live, the majority of teachers in your district may not even be members of a teacher's union.
      
      Your statement reveals how little you know about the public education system.
      
      BB64:
      "Another part was for condoms. How does that help? Unless this was part of the funding for Larry Flint. He's been a big supporter of the DNC causes and Nancy Pelosi for years. He asked for help for the porn industry."
      
      Really? Show me exactly how Larry Flint aims to receive a single cent from the funds going to birth control.
      
      FYI, unaffordable healthcare bills are the number one cause of people losing their savings.
      
      How much does a condom cost? Compared to that, how much does an abortion cost? Oh wait, I forgot. You're a Republican and don't believe in a woman's right to choose. In that case, how much does childbirth and child support cost?
      
      Condoms are a cheap investment in preventive healthcare.

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  EDWARDIII9 months, 3 weeks ago

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  To get money into the economy thre are two quick methods. The less efficient of the two is to give tax money to poor people who tend to spend it right away. Democrats love this because it gives them a chance to seem generous and caring while they use public money to buy votes. The other way is to cut taxes, especially coroprate taxes. Even the Republicans are afraid to do this because of the current assumption that corporations are evil.
  
  This TARP business looks like a way to put galactic power into the hands of a few individuals, some of whom must certainly become corrupted by it. It reminds me of text book procurement. One wonders who at Prentice-Hall slept with who at the Board of Education....

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