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Posted By jovial 9 months, 1 week ago in Political News
Karl Rove subpoenaed! What will be the Obama White House position on executive priviledge after a President leaves the White House? Does this Executive priviledge provide an umbrella over all the aides he served with.
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jovial9 months, 1 week ago
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Beau78909 months, 1 week ago
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Snubbing a Congressional subpoena under the guise of "executive privilege" for White House staffers was an absurd rationalization. Rove's strategy of asking Obama to reaffirm Bush's use of executive privilege seems a fairly transparent attempt to divide the public and show that Obama isn't nearly as bipartisan as he claims.
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With a reasonable explanation of the precedence of upholding Congressional authority to investigate members of the executive branch, Obama should be able to invalidate such an argument. And Obama has already shown a desire to restore Constitutional checks and balances between branches of government, even at the expense of some of the executive branch power Bush usurped. -
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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In addition to Cheney, I'd like to see the intellectual lightweights Miers and Gonzo (again) in front of Congress. Last I heard poor Al still can't get a job and we've seen how disgruntled Republicans become when they feel shafted (Palin, Powell, Brownie, McClellen, Hagel, Haggard...oh...that reminds me...Katherine Harris, to name a handful).
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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Uhh...Which subpoenas did Clinton's administration ignore, Endo? I'm sure you can provide us with a list since you're so vocal on the issue. Thanks, looking forward to hearing about all the Clinton admin people who thumbed their noses at subpoenas. ;-P
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StevieGee9 months, 1 week ago
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Clinton aides and Clinton himself testified before Congress. That's what got him in trouble. Endo, you seem to be able to quote what he said to Congress but unable to recall that he was there. These people have completely defied Congressional subpoenas. They should be cuffed and perp walked in front of their families.
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jovial9 months, 1 week ago
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I agrre Beau, this is politics in it's purest form. I think that Rove is counting on the fact that Obama is asking for Republican support on this bailout package. He's thinking Obama won't want to ruffle any feathers of those in the Republican base that supported Bush and his minions. I think Obama has to decide, and rather quickly, if he's going to do something about the past administration's abuses or not. I am in heavy anticipation of that response.
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gamahuche9 months, 1 week ago
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I hope - and expect that Obama will decide that executive privelege for Karl Rove is way past its sell-by date.
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UNLESS KR has something on Obama that the rest of us are unaware of..
But there may be more in this than meets the eye - for example this last election was virtually free of accusations of electoral fraud AND KR was conspicuously inconspicuous.
Would it be paranoid to CONSIDER the possibility that KR might have bought his get-out-jail-free by promising to keep his head down and not interfere?
I'd like to assure you that I'm not supporting any extreme hypothesis here - just throwing them out for consideration.-
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Beau78909 months, 1 week ago
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If Rove had something on Obama, he'd certainly have used it months ago when he realized Obama was going to be the strongest Democratic candidate. Though that won't stop him from trying to manufacture something against him, as this situation will demonstrate.
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When Obama denies Rove's request for protection from the subpoena, watch for Rove to attempt to smear Obama with playing politics for partisan gain....or possibly even something more sinister, as was done during the election.
Fortunately, there are few outside of Fox News fans who believe anything Rove says comes from an objective standpoint. (Unfortunately, many have forgotten this about Newt Gingrich by now.)
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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Regardless of those being investigated or the circumstances involved, we can look forward to lots of wailing from the GOP and much accountability-shirking, rationalizing and denial from the usual Propeller cons suspects. We'll be told this investigation or that hearing is a "witch hunt" and we'll hear my favorite line of GOP BS--"our country has much more important things to focus on, let's not waste our taxpayers' money on this, let's not look backward, blah blah blah..."
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That is, as long as the matter does not involve the least significant of stumbles that will be made by Obama or Biden (lipstick, anyone?) or a Democrat. In that case, all bets are off. Revenge for the sake of revenge will be the rule of the day and suddenly right wingers will be concerned with the letter of the law.
What we won't hear is accountability or contrition when Bush administration lies, corruption, coverups, and criminality are exposed. No. We can't have that. So look forward to more Alaska politician inspired responses. After all, everyone knows that when you're convicted of seven felonies, you're not *really* officially a convicted felon until all of your appeals are exhausted. Oh well, at least that put a temporary sock in the steady chorus of cons bleating about William "Cold Cash" Jefferson. ;-P-
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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Not surprisingly, you're more concerned about the GOP when clearly the liberals are in the majority. You have the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate. And yet, here you are whining about what the GOP is going to say when all your policies fail.
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You, and liberals like you, need to spend more time trying to come up with solutions. If you were ever to succeed, more people would come on board with your agenda.
You won't be able to blame someone else this time...
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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"short answer? no, he shouldn't. clearly he holds congress in contempt. ;-) as i do."
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--No, the short answer is that you're not focusing on the topic--KARL ROVE--because you know you can't defend his actions.
"seriously. this subpoena supports my fear of the democratic style of leadership. they had no plan in 2006 except to run "investigations."
--And all of your posts support my belief that Republicans lose more power with every election because, like you, they arrogantly believe our laws don't apply to them and that if they can simply change the subject (by point to something a Democrat has gotten nabbed for) they won't have to explain how they're justified in being corrupt as well.
Your attitude is typical of the average neocon. Like your new heroine Sarah Palin, you cons don't want to address the subject at hand so you think it's acceptable to just talk about whatever you damn well please.
Worse, you either deny or you don't know or even care why the GOP no longer has subpoena power--the fact that you did NO oversight for six years. No That would mean taking an honest look at yourself and those you support. It's better to keep telling yourself that you're ok, it's the rest of the world that has the problem. You have no clue that it's that very sociopathic belief system that is the reason the con movement is dying a sad, slow, disgraceful death. Sad. -
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Beau78909 months, 1 week ago
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Yes beavith, Rove does hold Congress in contempt. And contempt of Congress is a crime in itself. If you're subpoenaed, you must go, regardless of whether you respect that subpoena.
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Meanwhile, let me ask you this: Did you support the four-year-long fishing expedition conducted by the Republican-led Congress against Bill Clinton?
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Okay, the above was supposed to post under beavith1's above.
Now, Hhussk:
You can't possibly be serious about the "Democratic solution to those who voice disagreement being to try to put them in jail.
Where do you think they might have learned that? Were you born yesterday?
Where were you when Republicans were launching investigation after investigation into everything ever done by the Clintons, eventually leading to impeachment over something that would never even have taken place if it hadn't been for those investigations? -
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Charlson9 months, 1 week ago
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"Clearly, members of this government (and its supporters) are trying to target specific people...Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, The Bush Administration et. al., in an attempt to remove free speech."
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Quote from the hysterical right. Free speech my ass! No one wants to deny freedom of speech, only want to prosecute those guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Charlson9 months, 1 week ago
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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And they say there is no left-wing bias...
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It is no coincidence that there has been very little attention on the Secretary of Treasury confirmation and the 800 billion+ bailout bill vote last night in the House. Clearly, the majority of people here on propeller.com are more concerned about arresting Karl Rove than the pork-infested bill about to hit our economy.
Karl Rove will ignore this subpoena. It's a simple as that. He's done it before and the challenge is still in the courts.
Clearly, members of this government (and its supporters) are trying to target specific people...Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, The Bush Administration et. al., in an attempt to remove free speech.
According to classical communism, the first method of doctrine insertion is to remove the free thinkers from society. Once they are gone, freedom of speech is gone as well.
You accused the Bush administration of removing liberty, but yet, here is the government you support doing that very thing.-
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jovial9 months, 1 week ago
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Red Herrings and strawmen. Stick to the subject. This guy Rove snubbed a subpoena from the House Judiciary committee and Congress. I think that he should stand there and take his medicine now. Enough of the deflection tactics, they aren't working. People want to know what he knew about these attorney firings and when he knew it.
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djn3nunez39 months, 1 week ago
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Of course it was political that is why the President gets to pick who he wants to serve in these positions
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And who was it who appointed these attorneys in the first place?
Furthermore, the allegations were that some of the attorneys were targeted for dismissal to impede investigations of Republican politicians or that some were targeted for their failure to initiate investigations that would damage Democratic politicians or hamper Democratic-leaning voters. -
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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"Not one story on the front page about the MASSIVE spending bill disguised as "stimulus" A MASSIVE fraud is taking place right in front of all Americans and the big story on propeller is President Bush fired 9 attorneys that were serving at the pleasure of the President."
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--Hehehe...You funny, cape. It's as simple as that, huh? The Attorney General and several of his subordinates resigned their government jobs which paid reeeeeeeeally well--this despite the fact that, according to you, everything they did was 100% above board. That's usually what people do when they have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, right, cape? Where does Gonzo work now, cape? How's he paying his bills since he resigned (even though he did nothing wrong...yep)? He's STILL looking for work, cape? He quit TWO years ago and he still hasn't found a job. And why's that, cape? Because unlike Condi, he and Scooter pie totally sucked at lying convingly. Condi had her cushy new gig at Phillip Morris set up right after she finished lying through her teeth for Bush during the 9/11 hearings. You don't know what you're talking about, cape but I refuse to believe you're that poorly educated that you don't know the story is way more complicated than that. Get serious.
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Skeptic9 months, 1 week ago
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This is an issue that should be settled by the Court. And if it does not cover extending privilege beyond the term of office, persons being subpoenaed can always cite fifth amendment rights.
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For that matter, I would like to see an investigation of congressional advisors, particularly those of Frank, Dodd and Leahy, by the Executive branch. Then listen to the screams from the left. -
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antibrainwasher9 months, 1 week ago
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listen to jd, a rovian lamebaughian lemming spinless repug incapable of any thought outside of blind loyality to the racist neocon fascism party of ignorance and religious supersitition.
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Caribu Barbie, Rove, and jd, all the same, bunch of self centered unscrupulous hyenas out for themselves and to hell with the country.
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dunkirk9 months, 1 week ago
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ANd we have a new theme for the Bush Administration....Men Working on the Chain Gang. I do find it humorous that the right wing wacks are out shouting freedom of speech when this has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. Slander and distortion come to mind but then when its time for accountability the right always seems to whine and cry about being picked on.
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BB649 months, 1 week ago
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With the Reichstag burning the the allied forces circling for the kill, the SS still held the trials of those accused of trying to kill Hitler. It's good to see our Congress wasting time doing almost the same thing. They're planning to put over a trillion dollars on credit cards yet they're worried about Rove? This is a total waste of time and should be dumped, he and Bush are history. Is the hate for Bush so great or the fact that they still don't know what to do when they have all of the power. Senate, House and the Presidency is their hands. Don't they know what or how to do anything?
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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Not quite sure how that's comparable to anything Obama has done (though I appreciate that you'd love for the situation to be as simple as that). If as was true for Bush, Obama is believed to have lied and deceived his way into a war costing our country multiple trillions of dollars, then maybe we can talk. Until then, get serious, lay off the koolaid and learn how to think beyond the level of a 2nd grader. Thanks.
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jovial9 months, 1 week ago
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The laws in this country are important. Just because it's not a hot priority on your plate right now does nothing to minimize it's importance. I didn't hear a peep from Republicans when 12 billion a month was going out every month to rebuild "Democracy, freedom, and infrastructure" in foreign countries. But when justice, Democracy, and freedom are asked for in this country it falls on deaf and dumb ears with Republicans. It is never to much to ask for justice in a country ruled by laws and constitution. If this was Rahm Emmanuel being subpoenaed, I'd like to see how fast your opinion changed on this issue.
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BB649 months, 1 week ago
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Well that's certainly a more tangible investment than many of the House and Senate's meetings. I don't care who took what sports enhancing drugs, that shouldn't be something they worry about, MLB should. They're holding hearings about the possibility of a college super bowl. Huh? That's a question for the Senate or House? It's time to end this crap and get to work. You guys are in charge. Find actual solutions such as lowering taxes, increasing jobs, and helping business grow. With good business, follows good jobs.
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BB649 months, 1 week ago
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This is little more than a fishing trip. I'd rather learn why we haven't seen Senate hearings on the banking scandal. I'd rather see Al Gore brought before them and asked for his proof of global warming. I'd rather see hearing explaining how only 12 cent of every dollar in the bailout would be enough to cure all of the problems. I'd like to learn why they feel they should spend our money instead of us. I think this is little more than smoke and mirrors because of the banking issues. I think many powerful dems would be caught with their hands in the cash drawer. Again.
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Tangent0019 months, 1 week ago
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I tried to use that rationale on a traffic cop once: "Shouldn't you be doing something more important, like looking for murderers and such?" It wasn't very effective.
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I dunno, I think we Americans are a pretty clever bunch of folks and can handle more than one thing at a time. -
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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Rove is a failure and an embarrassment just like his buddy Bush. The few sane people in the GOP know this and know he's largely responsible for helping Bush become anything but a uniter. He dragged our country into the sewer and if Bush says he believes Rove will be remembered for all of the destruction he caused our country, he's got you conned, con.
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