Obama calls meeting with top Democrats on stimulus »
Posted By STONERS 9 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsFacing opposition from Republican lawmakers to parts of his economic recovery plan, President Barack Obama called Democratic Congressional leaders to a meeting on Monday to drive home his message of urgency.
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STONERS9 months, 1 week ago
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"With hundreds of thousands of Americans losing their jobs, many their homes, and a rapidly shrinking economy, Obama is under pressure to move swiftly to get his nearly $900 billion plan through Congress by mid-February."
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"Senior Republican senators warned on Sunday their party was unlikely to back the stimulus bill without changes to cut waste and to ensure the package provides an immediate boost to the deteriorating economy."
"The thing I want all of them (lawmakers) to remember, and the thing I am thinking of every single day, is the thousands of people being laid off from their jobs right now," Obama said in an interview with the NBC television network."-
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jordan119 months, 1 week ago
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I don't give a fig if republicans back it or not. They've already shown me they are incapable of handling money. IMO, Obama needs to put democrats on notice that he won't allow them to repeat the disasters of the republicans. Get that junk out of that bill!
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bruhaha9 months, 1 week ago
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Republicans won't back anything Obama proposes unless it is exactly what they want....so why bother. Compromise only works if both sides agree to compromise. The Republicans have made it abundantly clear that they will not compromise.
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fsev419 months, 1 week ago
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There you go again Hhussk, spreading lies about the Blagojevich situation. He has been charged with a crime in federal court by US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald (a decent Republican). After his arrest there was talk of a special election but two issues arose, one was the cost of 50mil and the second was the fact that Illinois would only have one senator during the crucial economic decisions being made in Washington. It was widely hoped, and expected that he would resign or at least temporarily step down until the charges were resolved. He did not. Talk of impeachment had been circulating well before the new charges as there was widespread concern in Springfield about how he was running his office and the state. These charges were the final straw. All representatives, Democrat and Republican,save one (his sister-in-law) voted the articles of impeachment. The "sale" of OBama's senate seat was far from the only accusation leveled, in fact other transgressions made up the bulk of the articles. The restriction on witnesses dealt only with those involved directly in the US Attorney's criminal case. There were many other witnesses he could have called if he chose to do so. He chose to not even answer guilty or not. ALL Senators in the Illinois Senate voted to convict him after the trial in which he refused to participate until the last minute. He was an embarrassment to the State of Illinois and an impediment to the everyday functioning of the government. The Senate had little choice but to impeach. Mr Blagojevich made his own bed.
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Quit spreading lies.-
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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What you and other libs are ignoring is that the Democrats locked the Republicans out of having any input. This bill from the house is a massive pork spending bill that only 15% will be spent in this year. It is the wish list that Democrats have wanted since Bush was elected. They could not pass it under him so they are creating a real boondoggle of a bill that does not stimulate anything. -
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GLee9 months, 1 week ago
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"I don't give a fig if republicans back it or not.............Obama needs to put democrats on notice that he won't allow them to repeat the disasters of the republicans. Get that junk out of that bill!"
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Jordan, this post of yours really makes alot of sense. We better be very happy that someone (Repubs) are NOT backing this bill. Does Obama have any 'pull' up there in DC. ? This bill needs to be 'killed' and replaced with something to boost the economy. Obama did say "don't send a bill to my desk full of pork", didn't he? Then he should be the 'shooter' for this bill.
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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Incorrect. He has not been charged with a crime. His house was raided from a warrant. As a matter of fact Fitzgerald asked for an 60 day extension on January 25 so that he could gather more evidience to charge Blagojevich.
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The lies are coming from people like you who don't understand that they could have held a special election to avoid this whole mess, but didn't because there was the possibility of a Republican winning the seat. You may quote a 50 million dollar cost, but it is clear that what has transpired now is costing liberals more dearly.
The Senate had many choices. They could have let Blagojevich face his accuser, call witnesses, and substantially provide his defense. But, of course, they didn't because that would have opened up even more scandal. -
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dunkirk9 months, 1 week ago
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Seems as usual, your off and running in fantasy land again. Illlinois has a rule of succession.Calling a special election is NOT an option. Impeachment of the Gov was quite quick and as defined in the Illinois COnstitution the Lt Gov succeeds him. Seems all you are showing is the true REPUBLICAN disdain for Constituion as was eveidenced by your hero the Dumya,
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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I actually think this is a very smart, common sense-based idea and it's too bad the GOP will look for any little thing to seize upon and criticize. I think Democrats realize we're going to be digging out of this mess for at least another decade, they know that so many people out of work we're guaranteed to have a baby boom (which may not be the best thing for us right now while we're trying to get back on our feet) and many people will want to delay starting or enlarging their families.
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jordan119 months, 1 week ago
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I dont see why they cant get it passed.>>>>
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The Senate needs to FIX it first. There is too much nonsense in the House version. Passing it like it is would be irresponsible. They can start with throwing out the millions to pass out condoms!.
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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I wonder how many of the "good" folks who so roundly condemn the "waste" in THIS "stimulus" package REACTED WITH ANYTHING LIKE PROPORTIONATE OUTRAGE at the waste that is implicit in the "TARP" boondoggle to "bail out" "our" FINANCIAL institutions --- which was, after all, undertaken on a DIFFERENT, supposedly more "conservative" "political watch".
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Did you say "more conservatives poltical watch"?
Perhaps you didn't know that liberals have been in charge of our federal spending and appropriations for the last two years.
By the way, in the last 6 months, Democrats have been trying to campaign for Iraq to pay us in oil. They justify it as compensation for the war. Don't pay any attention to the fact that they tried to run away in the middle of it. -
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birdsabound9 months, 1 week ago
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I wonder how many of the "good" folks who so roundly condemn the "waste" in THIS "stimulus" package REACTED WITH ANYTHING LIKE PROPORTIONATE OUTRAGE at the waste that is implicit in the "TARP" boondoggle to "bail out" "our" FINANCIAL institutions --- which was, after all, undertaken on a DIFFERENT, supposedly more "conservative" "political watch".
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And I wonder too how many of them argued against the MASSIVE boondoggle undertaken over the past eight years to SUBSIDIZE THE OIL COMPANIES by means of THE HUGE CAMPAIGN TO IN EFFECT TRY TO TAKE OVER THE FOURTH-LARGEST REMAINING OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD IN IRAQ! People who would even still surreptitiously continue to shell out $10 Billion of “our” tax dollars a month to "buy off" all those Sunnni militias in order to "keep the lid on and the oil flowing", but somehow do NOT explicitly recognize that as a part of its REAL COST --- misrepresenting (to others, and perhaps even to themselves) what is in reality a HUGE SUBSIDIZATION OF “BIG” OIL --- as being, instead, some sort of "noble" exercise in promoting "democracy in the MIddle East" --- are HARDLY in a position to be able to condemn OTHER practitioners of "porky politics" on a much SMALLER scale!
For a great many ideological idiots, the REALITY is that THEIR HYPOCRISY IS NOW SHOWING!-
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wtagg9 months, 1 week ago
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"Perhaps you didn't know that liberals have been in charge of our federal spending and appropriations for the last two years. "
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Absolutely rubber stamping everything the president wanted. So, was congress conservative or Bush liberal? Pick one.
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dunkirk9 months, 1 week ago
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
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Actually, many Americans advised us against going in the first place, from what I recall. Bush ran away from Afghanistan "in the middle of it" to do a half @ssed job planning the operation in Iraq. Technically he ran away in the beginning of the Iraq disaster. There likely wouldn't have been a need for a "middle" to run out of had the moron simply sent in more troops as he was advised to do early on.
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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Psssssst the last President to produce a budget surplus was CLINTON. One of those liberals u talk about. ROFLMAO.
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You mean the last Congress to send a budget package to the President which was signed by President Clinton was the "Republican Congress of 1996". HAHAHA.
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tchef9 months, 1 week ago
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It's funny how during the Bush years the Republicans had no problem spending money like it was water. Now I agree that this bill is far from perfect. But they could be making more of an effort on both sides to come up with a compromise.
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We need to stop thinking about what's good for the party and start thinking about what's good for the nation.-
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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You can't spend more than you collect.
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Oh really? Because the amount of money being spent in this over-bloated, non-stimulus package is 4X our current spending.
The massive deficits are exactly what is NOT conservative. When Bush passed the last spending bill, that was not conservative.
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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What's worse is that Obama's taking your money right in front of your face and you're calling him your "savior". Typical liberal strategy. Screw up the country, leave it for the next guy.
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But, of course, you forgot that Democrats have been controlling our Federal spending and appropriations for the last two years. They control Congress. -
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jordan119 months, 1 week ago
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The liberals who stuffed that stimulus package with their nonsense ARE "morons." So are the GD republicans who demand more tax cuts! So are the republicans who spent all those years squandering more than a trillion dollars! So knock off the BS that "liberals" are alone in this.
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Poulenc9 months, 1 week ago
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Some of the objected-to "pork": funding for arts groups, global- climate change studies, and for family planning programs....
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Ah, a Repub day-mare! Especially that artsy stuff. I mean, who works in the arts? Better yet: who needs 'em!
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Hhussk9 months, 1 week ago
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Ah, a Repub day-mare! Especially that artsy stuff. I mean, who works in the arts? Better yet: who needs 'em!
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Obviously someone doesn't understand the difference between a stimulus bill, designed to grow our economy, and a pork bill, designed to give money to interest groups. This is why our country is in trouble...
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BB649 months, 1 week ago
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Gee he's calling for all key dems to support his pork bill, I wonder why? Could it be he failed at pulling enough of his own people to support this scam? Could it be people are asking how we're going to put everyone back to work when more than 80% is actually special interest money? Take Milwaukee Schools as an example. We would see around $90,000,000 for new buildings. For what? We have 24 empty schools now, why would we want to build more? Most people are leaving the city and sight the schools as one of the major reasons. The other is the very high school taxes. This is little more than payback for the teacher's unions here and I'm sure every other major city. I hope no one on the GOP crosses. If they do, I'm all for voting to remove them from the party. It's time to do a little Rino hunting.
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brucehopkins9 months, 1 week ago
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Well the last one the Republicans submitted did not help any of the hard working people and this one will do even less. Everyone just needs to say no stimulus. We need something but this is not it. I posted about this same item earlier http://www.mytowntalks.com/featured/no-stimulus-am...
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If we are going to mortgage our children's future then we should get something out of it. This bill does very little to help the economy and is just a stuffed pork sandwich by the authors. -
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deathray9 months, 1 week ago
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Before anyone makes a definitive assessment, I think it's appropriate to read this paper describing the scope and effects of a stimulus package emphasizing job creation and the various means to achieve this by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein. Many of the statistics bandied about in the MSM come from this paper.
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The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan
http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1t...
Get your information straight from the people being quoted, not from the various spin machines with varying agendas....-
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truthiness9 months, 1 week ago
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excellent link deathray
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from that link
Aggregate Effect of the Recovery Package on GDP and Jobs in 2010Q4
Real GDP (billions
of chained 2000 $)
Payroll Employment
Without Stimulus $11,770 133,876,000
With Stimulus $12,203 137,550,000
Effect of Package
Increase GDP by 3.7%
Increase jobs by 3,675,000
Source: Authors’ calculations based on methodology described above and multipliers
described in Appendix 1.
The table shows that we expect the plan to more than meet the goal of creating or saving 3 million jobs by 2010Q4.
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truthiness9 months, 1 week ago
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the thing the spinmeisters don't seem to be accepting is that people work in all sectors of the economy
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people work for amtrak.. which also provides transportation that is green.
people work in the arts.. which also has cultural significance and affects quality of life
people work in pollution control...which improves quality of life
people work in poverty assistance ... the benefits of which should be obvious in this day
part of the keynesian philosophy is that during a recession, if the govt needs to pay people to dig holes and then fill them back up in order to keep the economy moving, then that is what we should do.
many classical laissez faire economists argue that if FDR had done nothing the economy would have turned around faster, which may very well be true from a Machiavellian view of economics as a numerical game. However there are real humans involved here, and the New Deal lessened suffering by keeping people fed and housed. where do you put that on a pie chart? -
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truthiness9 months, 1 week ago
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let us also be clear the entire reason we are in this deep of a mess is the Reagan-Bush(s) endorsement of supply-side economics (mercantilism)
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by cutting taxes and tariffs and removing oversight to the wealthiest while lowering interest rates they encouraged unrestrained investment that created the S and L, dot com, and Housing bubbles. at the same time they engendered massive debts that far outpaced the GDP growth with no plan for paying it off. And they set tax plans to encourage moving factories overseas where labor was cheaper (colonialism).
I can't stand it
I know you planned it
I'm going to set it straight
This watergate
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gabby3189 months ago
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When cotton was king, I picked! Now, nearly 60 years have passed, and I give you advice on the Stimulus. First of all,(1) TAXCUTS (proposed by the GOP) will not help the 600,000 unemployed because they will not have any income to tax;(2) TAXCUTS will not stimulate the economy because the unemployed will have no money to spend, and (3) TAXCUTS will not fund Social Security without deductions from Earned Income.
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gabby3189 months ago
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The bottom line is, President Obama's Stimulus Plan will put Americans back to work, so that they can spend, eat, and get Medical benefits.Anything that looks workable goes against the grain of the GOP-John McClain Clan. They simply want another Depression.
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