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jordan1110 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't give a fig if republicans back it or not. They've already shown me they are incapable of handling money. IMO, Obama needs to put democrats on notice that he won't allow them to repeat the disasters of the republicans. Get that junk out of that bill!
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bruhaha10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Republicans won't back anything Obama proposes unless it is exactly what they want....so why bother. Compromise only works if both sides agree to compromise. The Republicans have made it abundantly clear that they will not compromise.
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The House version lacks focus and has not set priorities
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As more and more info comes out critics from the right and left are hammering the House version
Boston Globe: Only 5 percent of $819b plan would go toward infrastructure
Critics say transportation is shortchanged
WSJ:
Congressional office admits:
Obama stimulus plan won’t meet job-creation target
On several of the business shows yesterday the estimate was creation of 1 - 1 1/2 million jobs with the House version
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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That was 6 years then Congress was turned over to the Democrats for the last 2 years
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Frankly, I didn't see much difference
I didn't like the first 6 years so I certainly didn't like the last 2 years of Bush either
But that is what happens when there are very few fiscal conservatives left on the Republican side of the aisle to team up with the Blue Dog Democrats and return the country to fiscal responsibility
"More pork under bush than ever before"
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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That's why I have to hope the Senate version is much better than the fiasco created by Pelosi and her cronies
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As I posted on another thread:
After reading story after story on how the House version of the bill was crafted this is not the bill Obama had in mind. This massive boondoggle was created by Pelosi and her cronies behind closed doors - no Republicans allowed. The portions of the bill went to the 3 House committees after it was already drafted
I guess Pelosi didn't get the memo on bipartisanship
Pelosi stuck it to Obama with this bill. Now it is his and what is he supposed to do? Have a showdown with Pelosi? Do you think he has the backbone to do that with his own Speaker?
That's the test isn't it?
I suspect the Obama team will work with the Senate and you are going to see a very different version of the bill. Although heaven only knows what will happen once this goes to a conference committee and they have to reconcile 2 radically different versions of this bill-
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ybdogsct10 months, 3 weeks ago
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NOSTALGIA:
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"I suspect the Obama team will work with the Senate and you are going to see a very different version of the bill. Although heaven only knows what will happen once this goes to a conference committee and they have to reconcile 2 radically different versions of this bill"
As I understand it, that has been precisely Obama's strategy since Day 1. The goal is to get the stimulus package signed by President's Day, but Congress would not have reached that deadline if the stimulus were stuck in the House in debate.
So he allowed the House to pass the bill as is in order to get the legislative process moving along, but is now pressuring Senate Democrats to make compromises with Republicans. Once the Senate passes its version, Obama will throw the White House's support behind the more bipartisan Senate version and may encourage even more compromises to be made as the two versions are reconciled.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1818337~Obama_open_to_co...
"Democratic leaders in both houses have promised to have legislation ready for Obama's signature by mid-February [with] national economy seemingly growing weaker by the day.
One Republican later quoted the president as saying any changes would have to come after the House gives what is expected to be largely party-line approval Wednesday to the Democratic-backed bill.
The Senate shows signs of greater bipartisanship, including a decision in the Finance Committee on Tuesday to add a new tax break for upper middle-income taxpayers. It was advanced by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the panel's senior Republican. Several hours after Mr. Obama’s visit to the Capitol, the Senate Finance Committee approved Mr. Grassley’s proposal as an amendment to the emerging Senate economic recovery plan."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/us/politics/28ob...
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Someone needs to obstruct Pelosi and her cronies before they destroy the country
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The House wants to panic everyone so their boondoggle will be passed quickly before the general public becomes aware of what is really in the bill - all of the payoffs to their interest groups which will have zero impact on a recovery
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mesodude10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Someone needs to obstruct Pelosi and her cronies before they destroy the country"
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--I wasn't aware something that was already lying in ruin could be "destroyed". But I think that level of cluelessness pretty well sums up why the GOP is in flames and out of power.
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amazed10 months, 3 weeks ago
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..but we need to do something and do something fast!
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Here's an alternative idea. How 'bout we take a little bit of time -- a couple of weeks maybe -- and get a bill that might actually address some of the problems?
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dunkirk10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Im curious where was the outrage when Bush and his rubber stamp Congress were busy creating this mess?? It is interesting to not ethat the REPUBLICANS were busy spending anad borrowing like crazy to create this mess and not a single peep form the right wing wacks on here about the massive debt and un sound econimic policies that are leading to the next Depression. BUT when a Democratic President initiates legislation to help the common man then they riasie in an uproar., It might have more meaning IF you had done the same when this disaster was being created.
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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amazed, you realize that taking "a little bit of time" to "get a bill that might actually address some of theproblems" isn't what House Republicans had in mind, right? Even after Obama met with them to attempt to compromise on the bill, they all voted against it because it didn't include enough tax cuts--which is a strategy that hasn't worked for years.
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amazed10 months, 3 weeks ago
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fine, then let the DEMOCRATS come up with something that actually has a chance of working instead of a huge, deferred spending bill that is a thinly veiled attempt at social realignment.
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The stimulus should be one bill, the social engineering should be another.
I dont' really care WHO comes up with something realistic, but some one needs to rather than just continuing on the same old way...and that's what this is.-
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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How is this the same old way? It's not what we've been trying for the past several years.
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It is something closer to the New Deal, in that it involves massive government spending on programs that create jobs. (Regardless of what many think, spending for new programs in various sectors in this country that aren't run by stockholders will create jobs, even though many disagree about whether those sectors perform worthwhile functions. For instance--not that this is even in the stimulus bill--giving lots of money to Planned Parenthood will allow it to hire more people.) Perhaps any similarity to the New Deal is what you mean by the same old way. Some say the New Deal didn't work, but I'd disagree with that assessment--the facts simply don't bear that out.
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flyonthewallzz10 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/17/layoff-tracker-un...
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Number of layoffs since Nov. 1, 2008, at America's 500 largest public companies*:
total........ 362,335
November......91,250.......25%
December....108,123.......30%
January.........162,962.......45%-
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flyonthewallzz10 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
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workforce....unemployed.....percent
Oct...154,878,000..10,221,000...6.60%
Nov...154,620,000..10,476,000..6.78%
Dec ..154,447,000...11,108,00....7.19%
change. -431,000...-887,000
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Why should that concern them since the party in control of the White House usually gets blamed no matter what?"
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From the comments on here it seems that only liberals believe that
I totally blame Congress for all spending - the House is the only part of govt which can appropriate money
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Hhussk10 months, 3 weeks ago
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I dont see why they cant get it passed.
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That's because you don't understand liberal ideology. Liberals are not leaders. They rule based on polls, soundbytes, class warefare, and opposition.
Well, now that they can't oppose themselves, they need to create a scapegoat. If they can get Republicans to join them, any failure (and it will fail) will be explained as "bipartisanship".
Look at Blagojevich and Illinois. The state could have held a special election to circumvent the whole problem, but that would have meant the chance for a Republican to step into office. So, they didn't. And then, Blagojevich got caught in a scandel. What did the liberals do? They gave him a mock trial, restricting him from the ability to even call witnesses, and got rid of him before he was even charged with a crime.
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BBcamaro10 months, 3 weeks ago
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You mean the bail out that our Democrat president just did the same thing with the other half of that bail out? Yes it will do the same as the first half did and that's to absorbed all these bad loans morons in this country created by buying houses they knew they could not afford. I did not agree with the bail out from the very beginning!
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As for the economy stimulus package from the house, please tell me how the 300 million dollars the house planned for contraceptives was going to help this country and all the other junk in there! I hope you can do a better job than Pelosi did. Do you really want you kids paying for all that garbage in the package? -
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The so called bailouts for the banks by the Republicans"
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You missed what happened with that entirely
That entire bailout was planned by King Henry and Prince Timothy in Prince Timothy's NY office no less
That "bailouts for the banks by the Republicans" was actually bipartisan!
No Child left behind - bipartisan
Repeal Glass Steagall act bipartisan
Campaign Finance Reform - bipartisan
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BB6410 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why would we? The GOP has been under attack since we won the majority in the 90's. I find it funny that when you guys toss road block on top of road block, you feel that's a compromise. When the GOP clearly states they won't back a huge pork bill like this, we're evil. Have you read the budget the House supported? In the end less than 12cents of every dollar actually is stimulus. I support anyone including Dems that didn't support this.
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mesodude10 months, 3 weeks ago
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"That's because you don't understand liberal ideology. Liberals are not leaders. They rule based on polls, soundbytes, class warefare, and opposition."
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--Republicans are amazing leaders, Hhussk. That's why Obama and a Democratically controlled House and Senate are now sorting out how to clean up after Bush and the GOP's 8 year-long clusterf*ck. Oh well...Keep blathering about socialism. That was a REAL winner of a campaign strategy for McCain, wasn't it? ;-P-
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mesodude10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thanks, Endo but I think I'll adopt the con approach to judging a President's performance. Remember the one you're using for Bush? Yessiree--I've decided that cons won't know how Obama is doing until 50 years (maybe longer...why not?) after he leaves office. Yeah, that's the ticket. ;-P
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Beau789010 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hhussk, you really need to look back past the Bush administration at the history of Republican Congressional opposition before making ridiculous pronouncements about sound bytes, class warfare and opposition.
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And try not to bring up Blagojevich and Illinois until you do a little homework on the subject. It only serves to highlight your ignorance of the subject. (As just one example, Blagojevich refused to submit a list of witnesses he intended to call before the deadline expired--he had two weeks to do so.)
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