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tomboy50111 months ago
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Some analysis from someone I trust in the blogosphere
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individu...-
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tehranchik11 months ago
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I don't care if Obama uses renditions like the Easter Bunny. Renditions by anyone, anywhere, anytime, should be made illegal. There is too much speculation in rendition. Too much room for error. I'd much rather see a warrant and an arrest in plain site. A trail to follow. And why send any one any where for questioning? It's why we have extradition. I want to see it - the whole process. To me, any rendition is a bush rendition.
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Beau789011 months ago
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I guess I had two points:
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1) the executive order does not specify whether renditions will be used or not, in any way. Miller assumes that wiggle room is left intentionally in order to preserve renditions as something we can do. Maybe, but we won't know unless they're attempted.
2) (And this is what I think you're upset about) How are renditions, if carried out in order to bring suspects here for legally implemented) interrogation and investigation, different from extradition of suspects? -
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tehranchik11 months ago
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"1) the executive order does not specify whether renditions will be used or not, in any way. Miller assumes that wiggle room is left intentionally in order to preserve renditions as something we can do. Maybe, but we won't know unless they're attempted."
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This first point leaves way too much discretion for abuse.
2) (And this is what I think you're upset about) How are renditions, if carried out in order to bring suspects here for legally implemented) interrogation and investigation, different from extradition of suspects?
Tell me how suspects will be apprehended. Rendition says to me - kidnapping for what ever purpose we deem fit.. Extradition would actually involve an arrest. Witnesses. A paper trail.-
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Beau789011 months ago
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You're right--there's a difference between extradition and rendition (even in the way I've described it). And yes, there's potential for abuse, if allowed to use it that way simply because it wasn't specifically forbidden in the order.
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But one would hope that bringing suspects here for questioning would give them the rights to counsel, to know the charges brought against them (if any), and to attempt to remedy their situations.
Am I being too optimistic? Maybe. But remember, whether you like this executive order or not, this administration has already proven itself to operate differently than the previous one in almost every respect having to do with just treatment of prisoners and "enemy combatants." And there's no evidence rendition would be used against anyone simply because it wasn't specifically forbidden. Obama values transparency and justice.
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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""All departments and agencies of the Federal Government shall provide the International Committee of the Red Cross with notification of, and timely access to, any individual detained in any armed conflict in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States Government, consistent with Department of Defense regulations and policies."
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Note that this has no exceptions for short-term detainees whom we quickly hand off to someone else."
I do not like the direction this wiggle room is headed.
It seems to almost mandate handing off the detainee, to a person or location out of our control.-
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