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Unlike his predecessors, President Barack Obama is leading a nation that is teetering on the precipice of a depression. Most Americans do not care what label legislation comes under. If it works and is passed with or without the support of the GOP makes little difference to families who are suffering from the loss of their homes and their jobs. The President’s desire to open his administration to both parties and to be the President of all the people are wonderful sentiments; but they must remain secondary to promoting the right legislation that will address the corporate fraud, unfair trade, and abuses of Wall Street that has driven the country into financial ruin. Romancing the GOP and accepting corruption as the most expedient way to stimulate economic recovery is only going to alienate this administration’s greatest asset, the will and spirit of the American people.

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    cushi11 months ago
    
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    Highly doubtful since most of them have been given huge loopholes that allow them not to. Politics is a tangled tapestry woven over many, many years, and it will not be unraveled in a week or two. The biggest and hardest challenge Barack faces is bringing about the much needed change in the way things are done. He has an uphill battle before him, to say the least, and he must try to balance keeping his promises with making concessions when it means a better deal for the people in the long run. One thing I know, is that even if people don't like the idea of him compromising, if their lives and the lives of their children improve as a result, they will quickly get over it.
    
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      Skeptic11 months ago
      
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      One of the things the "Anointed One" can do is veto bills that are loaded with pork that has nothing to do with the stated purpose of the bill. You should be cheering the GOP for helping him to keep his promise to change the way things are done.
      
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      mesodude11 months ago
      
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      Nope. Sorry. You're wrong, cushi. Best listen to those who are bitter, dejected and depressed because their party got kicked out of power big time and is now lying in a pile of flaming wreckage. They have the best judgement (clearly) and we should allow them to dictate what qualifies as change as well as the pace at which change officially occurs. After all, they *did* vote for Bush (a second time--AFTER he was well on his way to bankrupting the country) so they surely must be very knowledgeable and savvy.
      
      Remember, cons have amazing judgement and critical thinking skills. Just look at all the successes their support of the GOP have brought us over the last 8 years. It's just mind-boggling how well we've done with Republicans running the country--so it only makes sense that we listen to Locky and pals. They're positively brilliant.
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        mesodude11 months ago
        
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        "The last 8 years did not happen in a GOP vacuum, though its fun to paint it that way, Im sure."
        
        --I think it depends on whom you ask and on when you ask. Frankly, I'm seasick from the blatant cherry picking of those on the right regarding facts and events from the past 8 years. One moment, we're supposed to believe that Bush is a god who should be forever revered for protected us after 9/11 and the next moment we're told he's "only human" and either shares or bears no responsibility for 9/11, Katrina, the collapse of the world economy, and many, many, others events that reflect badly on his administration.
        
        We're told that Bush didn't inherit a surplus from Bill Clinton but that the GOP "forced" Clinton to rein in spending. From what I recall, the GOP controlled all three branches of our government for 6 of the last 8 years, but to my great surprise, I'm now hearing from GOP supporters that it was actually Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who ruled the country and who singlehandedly engineered the collapse of the economy.
        
        Wow! How does that happen? How does Bush get re-elected for obliterating a budget surplus, begging for hundreds of billions of dollars (and getting it without objection from the GOP), and sending us trillions of dollars more into debt---but now that a Democrat is in charge, right wingers suddenly have a razor sharp interest in where every single penny goes? What did we hear when billions went missing in Iraq and new orleans from Republicans and their supporters? Was anyone fighting to account for every penny of THOSE billions of dollars? Were they asking about "pork" then? HELL NO, you won't and we don't want to hear your whining NOW. You LOST because you overspent and you have nothing to show for the money you spent recklessly.
        
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  jordan1111 months ago
  
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  Obama needs to do what he believes is right. The American people gave him that mandate. The CONS have shown they're still the same jerks they've always been, & personally I think he needs to knock off trying to be all things to all people. It's not possible, it wastes precious time, & he needs to just get on with it.
  
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    GehlLady11 months ago
    
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    "Unlike his predecessors, President Barack Obama is leading a nation that is teetering on the precipice of a depression."
    
    The History Channel had a documentary on today about the Dust Bowl in the early 1930s. It gave me a visual reference of what Roosevelt walked into when he took office.
    
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      Spadecaller11 months ago
      
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      You apparently fail to understand that there are vast differences between the Great Depression and our current situation.
      
      Unlike his predecessors, Obama is facing a world that has been reordered by the corporations. There was no military industrial complex during those years. The U.S. economy was not dependent on weapon sales and war as it is today.
      
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        GehlLady11 months ago
        
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        "You apparently fail to understand that there are vast differences between the Great Depression and our current situation."
        
        No, I don't. I may not understand all the ramifications of this global recession/depression, but I do understand the sheer size of it makes this different.
        The documentary focused on the Dust Bowl, not the Great Depression and the economics. It was a disaster far greater than anything any President has had to deal with since then. Roosevelt rose to the challenge and found a solution, and realized, as I learned for the first time, that it was a man made disaster. I may be wrong, but you strike me as a visual kind of guy, all I meant was that the visuals made a huge impact on me, and though different, there are parallels between that time, and now.
        
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      BB6411 months ago
      
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      Jordan, why is it when we're playing the game by your rules you don't like it. We conservatives do not believe in most of that the current president supports. His agenda, we feel will damage our nation. Because of this, we do not support his policies and voice our concerns. Unlike your side, you will not see the massive marches in Washington. You won't see a day without conservatives. You won't find our skits on TV claiming any of the Obama children were impregnated by the president. Rather than drinking the Kool-aid as many have we're exercising our first amendment rights and will continue to do so until they change it. Which from some of his appointments may be a lot sooner than most realized.
      
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      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
      
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      Congress shall make all laws respecting an establishment of religion, and prohibiting the freedom to question the powers of the messiah, Barrack Hussein Obama; or tightly controlling the freedom of speech, especially the vile conservative talk radio; and the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances as long as it's message, meets with and is approved of by the DNC power brokers.
      
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  Spadecaller11 months ago
  
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  I agree jordan. He is bending over too much. He has invited everyone to be represented; now the hell with those that only want to obstruct whatever he tries. Though I think the stimulus bill can be improved, I am sick and tired of hearing these miserable GOP sour asses pointing the fingers when they have done nothing to help for years.
  
  Time for them to shut up or help out. Enough bs. We are in trouble and this country does not need these phony jerk-offs pontificating just to get their fat asses covered and their lobbyists satisfied.
  
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  THOMNH6211 months ago
  
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  so your answer is trillions of dollars of debt, are you out of your freakin mind
  
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    DenCuddy11 months ago
    
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    What if we trade the billion a week we've been spending in Iraq and spend it here? I have a feeling Thom, you wouldn't agree to that either, but handed bush a blank check.
    
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      nonparted11 months ago
      
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      the bs is the dems and the president. for wanting his stimulus package passed without anyone taking their time to read over the 600 + pages and wanting to improve on it. does this sound fimiliar . it should because liberals were complaining about Bush's administration and most republicans as yes men. in addition in the last 4yrs congress is mostly to blame for this crisis for not doing or not seeing it coming. ( which congress was in control by the democrats.)
      
      now if Obama wanted real change he would've looked outside the box and had economists with morals draw up his package instead of people that already had influence in Washington .
      
      this is why this country will not be as it once was due to people that cant think for themselves to do the right thing and speaking out against their affiliated party.
      
      didnt hear anything about substancial money allocated to small businesses which i think is the heart of the economy . (since BOTH PARTIES allowed the major corporations to move off shore )
      
      i not saying there are'nt any good points in some conressmen & women but the majority (DEMS & REPUBS) are selfish, corrupt and are beholden to special interest groups.
      
      if the majority of americans can see this and start looking into other parties then the American people will again start to prosper (this includes u spadecaller)
      
      BTW spadecaller when u refer to jerk-offs u need to include the dems as well.
      
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    mesodude11 months ago
    
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    "so your answer is trillions of dollars of debt, are you out of your freakin mind"
    
    --But I think you cons re-elected Bush when he blasted us up to the 10 trillion dollar mark and beyond. I guess you forgot that, huh? Apparently it was cool to borrow billions when it was for no-bid defense CONtractors. Sorry, cons but you can't reward Bush for spending and then bitch like a bunch of howler monkeys when the Democrats spend. Get serious. You don't even have anything to show for your hero Bush's spending except a string of spectacular failures. At least Democrats are borrowing to directly help the American taxpayer. ;-P
    
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      BB6411 months ago
      
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      We have spend a great deal of money in Iraq. But looking at the larger picture, how much did we spend leading up to the invasion? How much did our attempts to ignore terror cost us? I mean outside of 9-11. USS Cole, African Embassies, and the like. Then you take into account nations like China, Russia and their smaller satellites like Libya, Syria and North Korea. By our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, it certainly made clear you would be punished if you tried to mess with the USA. Again, I work in international business. The leaders of many nations that you claim hate the USA, liked President Bush. German and French leaders are great examples. Their communist or socialist movements are anti-American and will raise thousands for protests making it look like both nations hate us. The folks in power do no. The one fear many of my international contacts are concerned about is the new trade war being suggested by Obama's people. If you want a tariff war, that will plunge us into a global depression. Not to attack the President, but US will not win this one with the current leadership in Washington. He clearly is not in the driver's seat with the DNC.
      
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        mesodude11 months ago
        
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        "We have spend a great deal of money in Iraq. But looking at the larger picture, how much did we spend leading up to the invasion? How much did our attempts to ignore terror cost us?"
        
        It's nice that you want to blame Clinton but what does this have to do with spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq? What does it have to do with Bush cutting and running from Afghanistan to invade Iraq? What does this have to do with Bush ignoring those who told him to send more troops in Iraq years before he finally agreed to do it? What does it have to do with us having to spend more money to go back into Afghanistan (when we had been on track to stabilizing things there)?
        
        If you were so concerned with monitoring every penny we spent, why didn't you do this when Bush was in office? Why weren't you interested when Democrats wanted to find out how money was being lost, stolen and abused in Iraq and New Orleans? Can you see why the fact that Republicans and the neocons weren't at all interested in watching the pursestrings under Bush makes your sudden concern suspect?
        
        I continue to ask cons a question which none will answer. WHY, do you think you should be taken seriously when you re-elected Bush? Because he overspent so YOU didn't have to sacrifice anything? Please explain why this makes sense. Thanks.
        
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        THOMNH6211 months ago
        
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        no actually I think the Iraq war was a huge mistake, I admit that when the republicans took over the three branches of government I was hopeful we would see a reduction in spending, a fix for SS and help for small business but what we got we a president who drove the country into the ground, however he had plenty of help from both sides. The wasteful spending in DC has hit a fevered pitch and it should stop. This spending bill is bad for our future and does very little to actually stimulate anything except bigger government. I don't have all the answers GWB was a let down for any fiscal conservative but you can't fix this by throwing our children's future at it just so some people in DC can further an agenda.
        
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        mesodude11 months ago
        
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        "Like trying to slam millions in condoms into the stim pack. Yeah, I see how thats gonna help me"
        
        --Please go back and educate yourself (instead of swallowing the koolaid like a good little neocon drone). You people know NOTHING about the stimulus plan. What the GOP objected to amounted to less than one percent of the entire bill. And it's only morons who are narrow-minded enough to think that the scope funding for family planning is limited to buying condoms. That's the height of neocon stupidity.
        
        If you were capable of thinking for yourself, you would have asked yourself why Democrats thought that was important enough to put it in the bill and DONE YOUR HOMEWORK. As it happens, that funding was meant to help states that are struggling to pay for medical costs for poor and low income women and their children. Birth control is only one aspect of what the funding would cover.
        
        I realize it's hard for some of you people to think beyond your narrow box, but the stimulus is not just about job creation. It's mostly about that but it's also about finding as many ways as possible to put money in the hands of those who are most likely to spend it.
        
        With the uncertainty of times ahead, it makes perfect sense to help those who may want to delay having children. Birth control is not cheap and neither are children. If people don't have to shell out their scarce dollars for the costs associated with family planning, that's money they can safe to put back into the economy. People have sex. GET OVER IT. It's your disgusting moralistic tone that got us George W Bush for 8 years.
        
        "There's some good old 3rd grade logic for you. So much for personal responsibility. There's some of us that will reserve the right to bitch at both."
        
        --You assume that I agree deficit spending is inherently bad and I don't. All spending is not equal. We KNOW we got little in return for GOP spending. That doesn't mean that it's bad across the board. But that might be hard for you to grasp, I understand.
        
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        GehlLady11 months ago
        
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        "There's some of us that will reserve the right to bitch at both."
        
        That includes me.
        
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        mesodude11 months ago
        
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        Please let us know when that happens. I for one cannot wait to see similar posts from cons crying about how Bush was going to bankrupt the country and how the world was going to end if we went into debt by one more penny.
        
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        GehlLady11 months ago
        
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        Look back at some of my posts, and you won't have to wait. Check a few others that post here as well, some of us have doing it all along.
        
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    Endoscopy11 months ago
    
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    More liberal garbage from Spadecaller. All people who have a different opinion of how things should be done are corrupt and evil lying about everything. That tune is getting old. Talk about liars we have a president who has lied about two thing ans is a hypocrite on another one.
    
    Bipartisanship - The stimulus package in the House the Republicans were locked out of any involvement except an up or down vote on the bill. Obama lied.
    
    Stimulus package - the House version at $825 billion will only have 15% spent the first year. Most of the package is programs that Bush refused to be passed. Obama lied that we need this package immediately.
    
    Daschel - Obama backed and pushed for Daschle until Daschle quit. Then Obama goes on talk shows and says that he made a mistake. That should have been said after the information came out about his taxes and Daschle removed. Instead he said it after Daschle removed himself. Hypocrite.
    
    This is fun. After all the Bush lied now Obama does it for public view.
    
    OBAMA LIED.
    
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