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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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That is exactly what is amazing!
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Why the big push to sell this boondoggle - Obama had a town hall meeting in IN yesterday, a prime time news conference last evening and another town hall meeting scheduled for FL
What is making the Democrats so nervous about this - are they just looking for political cover when this doesn't work?-
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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The health care provisions are even more ominous than anyone really knew
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And we need to kill of those greedy seniors who are sucking the health care system dry
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan
Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head HHS
Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
New Penalties
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs.
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).
If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039=co...
So much for the US becoming a leader in health care - new technology is TOO expensive
The provisions were stuck into the Senate version late Saturday night. Senators are just now becoming aware of what is really in the bill-
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RedRiverJ10 months, 3 weeks ago
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you are so right nostalgia........
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The so-called “Stimulus Bill” has in it a provision to establish a “National Coordinator of Health Information Technology.” The Coordinator would primarily establish cost cutting guidelines that doctors would be bound to follow or face penalties determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
A lot of the health policies that somehow made their way into a package that’s purported to deal with “economic stimulus” were written with the advice of Tom Daschle (no, evil doesn’t just walk away). Daschle’s book on health care states that seniors should sacrifice advancements in care so that resources can be spent primarily on the young. The free market system that values and encourages advancements for young and old alike has no place in the heart of a man who, were it not for a matter of back taxes, would have fancied himself the Grinch Who Stole Healthcare.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8345
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nostalgia10 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endo I'm not ignoring that
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The provisions were simply inserted in this boondoggle to try and keep it from the light of day
When Senators aren't even aware that the provisions are in the bill yet are voting on the bill, there is a real problem
I am getting the feeling there is much more of that type of thing in the bill and we will only hear about them AFTER the bill is passed
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icono110 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt." (Please note that this would in no way affect a great American like Tom Daschele, who was once a representative of 'We The People', because he is a multi-millionair and can easily afford expensive medical care.)
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That is disconcerting to hear now that America has an aging population.
but it makes perfect economic sense in that older people have more age related medical problems and therefore treating them would use up more govt money needed for more important pet govt projects to fund.
I wonder if Peglosie's 'Olympic Frisbee Course' is still being considered in the fine print of the bill. I would hate for America's youth to be denied the use of such a valuable sport asset because too many 'older Americans' needed treatment for rhematoid arthritis and other age related and debilitating diseases( like diabetes, stroke, alzheimers, heart disease, lung disease(COPD and etc), Cancer and variants, etc., etc.,,,,,).
Welcome to the new American Gulag Comrades. If you are old and not wealthy or 'important 'get a shovel and dig your own grave for you are truly a financial drain on the new economics of the United States Socialistic Republic. If you feel real pain while digging, just suck it up and take it as a character building exercise.-
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cushi10 months, 3 weeks ago
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News flash! Seniors are already bearing the brunt and have been for the last 8 years! I am bearing the brunt also, as a disabled American. I am already choosing between food, medicine, medical care, utilities and a roof over my head. I have no doubt that I will continue to suffer for years to come, and I lay the blame for that right where it belongs - on the Bush administration. I don't expect the stimulus package to be a panacea for all my troubles. Maybe it won't help in some ways, but it will help in others, and considering the alternatives, I'll take what I can get and be thankful.
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dunkirk10 months, 3 weeks ago
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It seems you must know a lot of the details to say they DONT create jobs. can you supply us those links? or is it as usual the right wing is extremely bitter the agenda they followed for the last 8 years resulted in the most catastrophic economic meltdown the history of man has seen and the only thing to do is claim no jobs will be created to divert attention from the fact THIS mess was engineered by the REPUBLICANS.
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