Sen. Susan Collins: A Democrat in Conservative Clothing »
Posted By Shana4Liberty 9 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsSusan Collins, a “Republican” Senator from Maine, is one of only a handful GOP Senators who might approve the massive spending bill the Democrats and Obama Administration has been pushing the past couple weeks. My major question: Is she a Republican? After looking at her stances on issues, she seems to be in favor of big government.
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PalestinianTruth9 months, 3 weeks ago
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The labels of conservative and liberal are completely meaningless, and should stop being used until we get some rational conventional thinking in our society. For example how is a drug addict like rush limbaugh , a "conservative" and how is W. Bush a laissez-faire thinker, when he is basically Mr.Bailout. You know people like kucinich and Nader get the "far left, socialist label" alot but they are opposed to these stimuluses and bailouts. After Ron Paul, they are probably the most conservative polticians in washhington.
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gamahuche9 months, 3 weeks ago
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How can taking nearly a trillion dollars OUT of the private sector and putting it into the irresponsible hands of government to spend as they please ‘stimulate’ the economy?
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Yes - and go on waiting for the promised "trickle down" effect for the next 10 years while the rich get even MORE fabulously rich and laugh their asses off at the impoverished plebs losing their homes to foreclosure! -
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vor9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The real danger is if the Dems fall into the same lockstep. Certainly there is a real need to watch and criticize the actions of the House leaders. I cannot imagine being them being more out of step with the needs of the people. On second thought that would make them Republicans. To say that time should not be taken to make this the most effective bill possible is simply irresponsible.
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Susan Collins is not a traitor to her party. She is a representative of her constituents. Not the stupid rigid GOP party line. This is where American politics has gone awry and of course the leaders have lost the faith of the public. Many of whom don't think in such a black/white manner as the party platforms define. Solutions have rarely come from the close-minded. The most effective solutions generally coming from an amalgamation of thought. -
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Jeboba9 months, 2 weeks ago
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...someone tells em how to think...
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YA THINK? Of course. That is the Republican mantra...follow the talking points, repeat the party line, support the agenda and platform, OR we will defeat you in the next election!
Republicans are just a bunch of clones....lemmings that are NOT ALLOWED to have a thought of their own.
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nostalgia9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah that oversight committee that Congress established in the TARP bill really did a great job didn't they?
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First King Henry now Prince Timothy - the dynamic duo
Did you listen to Geitner's speech yesterday? He doesn't have a clue about what to do with the second $350 billion of TARP money
Geitner:
""The actions we took were absolutely essential, but they were inadequate."
He wants even more than the $350 billion
"Our challenge is much greater today because the American people have lost faith in the leaders of our financial institutions, and are skeptical that their government has -- to this point -- used taxpayers' money in ways that will benefit them.:
Is he the master of understatement or what?
"... I want to be candid: this comprehensive strategy will cost money, involve risk, and take time."
Didn't he get the Obama memo - "fierce urgency of now"
"We will have to adapt it as conditions change. We will have to try things we've never tried before. We will make mistakes. We will go through periods in which things get worse and progress is uneven or interrupted."
This is the wonder boy who had to be Sec of Treasury because he was going to save us?
As Geitner spoke the stock market tumbled almost 400 points
Looks like Wall St doesn't have much confidence in Prince Timothy - any more than they had in King Henry
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Progressive9 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is my second attempt to post this in Specter's own words:
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Goppy9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think it's refreshing to see independent minds within the Republican Party.
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I don't know why they think it's such a positive that they all walk in Lock-Step.
I value open debate, independent thinking over a glorification of Totalitarianism Thinking.
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Jeboba9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Isn't it a shame there are only THREE Republicans that are able to form a thought of their own? John Boehner and Mitch McConnell need to be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.
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The Republicans will find themselves wandering in the wilderness for 40 years if they don't get on board to turn this titanic around. So far, they have been doing nothing but putting icebergs in her path! -
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wastedvoteinNY9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Refreshing seems to be a subjective term here. Isn't it underwhelming that all 58 democrats " think it's such a positive that they all walk in Lock-Step." Is it really possible that there wasn't ONE SINGLE SELF-MINDED DEMOCRAT senator in this process? Is it possible that not one democrat found anything objectionable in the bill to cause them to at least vote "Present". "I value open debate, independent thinking over a glorification of Totalitarianism Thinking." Maybe you should ask Pelosi and Reed to lift the ban on such thinking within the party.
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Refreshing seems to be a subjective term here. Isn't it underwhelming that all 58 democrats " think it's such a positive that they all walk in Lock-Step."
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--No. Let's see if you can shake off your self-imposed ban on thinking for a moment. The Democrats won decisively last fall. When a significant majority of the public elects you, voting in lockstep isn't by itself a bad thing. On the other hand, when you consistently vote AGAINST what the vast majority of Americans want (as the GOP has been doing for many years), voting in lockstep can only mean that you really don't give a crap what those who elected you think or what's best for the country.
P.S. Please stay away from the ballot box for the foreseeable future and hit the library instead. Thanks.
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nostalgia9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Are you certain you want to applaud Collins?
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Did you listen to the changes she outlined on the floor of the Senate after the compromise??
They have eliminated ALL school construction projects. BUT they added $6 billion for Special Education programs and No Child Left Behind. This is supposed to take the burden off of local districts for these programs. How many people will this put back to work - ZERO
Why would Collins and Snowe want to eliminate school construction from the bill - Maine doesn't need school construction but these 2 Senators will be able to take more funding back to Maine for Special Ed programs and No Child Left Behind
Too bad so many districts across the country need new schools!
This group of 3 also increased tax cuts
And what did Collins say she would do after the Senate House conference if provisions get added back that she doesn't like:
I Might Vote Against the Final Stimulus if It Comes Back from Conference With Too Much Pork
This is her conscience - her way only. Two Senators from Maine making demands to get their way
Really want to laud Collins?
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ellesbels9 months, 2 weeks ago
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drabx809 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hello first time posting long time reader.Great article, been reading a lot of your comments as well as some senator and congressman on c-span, and there is something that troubles my mint. Republicans always mention party first them country. So my conclusion about the Republicans= party first, me second, country!!! what country, OH!! maybe 3rd.
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drabx809 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hello first time posting long time reader.Great article, been reading a lot of your comments as well as some senator and congressman on c-span, and there is something that troubles my mint. Republicans always mention party first them country. So my conclusion about the Republicans= party first, me second, country!!! what country, OH!! maybe 3rd.
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coolslow9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Great. We had the perfect storm yesterday. Obama out campaigning, the Senate passing the Stimulus Bill, and Geithner unveiling the bailout plan. Impressive, it was all hands on deck for dealing with the emergency. It should have generated some sunshine. And...the markets tanked. Straight down, like a stone in a well, for as long as Obama and Geithner, the only two people in the universe who can solve the problem, were talking. The best Geithner could could do was to repeat Obama campaign talking points. Talk about a crisis becoming a catastrophe.
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Jeboba9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The market tanked because Wall Street knows the game is over! Obama is going to shut down their corruption, lies, theft, and rape of the treasury and the average American. They should be afraid....very afraid.
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The FBI just announced it's investigating 38 big firms right now for fraud, cooking the books, misrepresenting stocks, etc. etc.
Some of the big boys are goin to jail!
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"And...the markets tanked. Straight down, like a stone in a well, for as long as Obama and Geithner, the only two people in the universe who can solve the problem, were talking. The best Geithner could could do was to repeat Obama campaign talking points. Talk about a crisis becoming a catastrophe."
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--coolaid, I really don't think people who were among the 22% of Americans who supported Bush (even as he left office with our country a steaming pile of crap) should be expressing dismay or concern about "a crisis becoming a catastrophe" when it was your lack of education and mind-bogglingly poor judgement that got us into the hellhole in the first place. Cons seemed to realize the markets were more nuanced and complicated as long as Bush was lying to them and saying "don't worry be happy". Obama has a 76% approval rating, wingnut so maybe you should pipe down and get your facts straight before thinking about posting again. Thanks. -
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Don't worry...I predict that if Collins runs for President in the future, cons will swoon and say "forgive and forget", and the right wing media will insist that she "energized" the GOP. I don't agree with her most of the time but Collins is one of a very few Republicans (female or male) who actually has a brain and who isn't willing to sell her soul to the devil for a tax cut.
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nostalgia9 months, 2 weeks ago
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LOL Mesodud
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As usual you didn't listen to what Collins said on the floor of the Senate after the compromise
The "gang of 3" demanded and got all school construction REMOVED from the bill
Having schools which are falling apart - too bad Maine doesn't need schools
They also demanded and got more tax CUTS
Before you laud her brain and note she "isn't willing to sell her soul to the devil for a tax cut"
you need to know what she demanded in order to vote for the bill
Do you ever do any reading on a subject BEFORE you form an opinion?
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NoWayMan9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I only read the very first part of the story (didn't link to it or anything) but already its a shameful misrepresentation of republicans since many republicans out there want this stimulus package passed as quickly as possible, including many republican mayors and governors who are witnessing budget problems and are actually dealing with the failures of Bushco firsthand and know we need this package badly.
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the republicans in the house and senate are simply playing politics. they love to say "no" when it comes to Obama's plan yet they offer no alternative plan (and sorry, "tax breaks" is not a plan. that's just more trickle down, fuzzy math stupidity). they are exposing themselves as out of touch. big time.
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flyonthewallzz9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I may very well need to be corrected here, but for now this is how I think the mechanics works.
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Had the majority vote been less than 60 the bill could have been defeated by a filibuster.
The vote was 61 (could they count on Kennedy to show up?).
I read that there was at least one Republican that had better things to do.
I did not check….are the 3 mavericks up for reelection in the next season?
Maybe I am just imagining things…but I wonder if the other side of the aisle did not breathe a sigh of relief for not having to mount a filibuster.
They do not check for party affiliation when they hand out pink slips.
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Mdiar9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Specter is potentially beatable by the Democrats in 2010. He has to take a pro-union stance and a fiscally moderate approach. In the past he's had the union support; he wants to have it again.
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Snowe is an institution in Maine. She has her seat as long as she wants it and is the most left of the Republicans on basically every issue. She's actually voted with Obama more then some of the conservative Democrats in Congress (though not many votes have been up yet).
Collins is a bit right of Snowe, not been in the Senate as long, but would likely win re-election.
Snowe and Collins aren't up for re-election in 2010 but they have a firm hold on their seats anyway. I know a number of Dems have been salivating at trying to take Specter's seat, though.
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