Watching Republicans grieve »
Posted By mesodude 9 months, 2 weeks ago in Political NewsFilmmaker Alexandra Pelosi journeyed into the heart of the GOP for her new HBO documentary. She discusses what she found there: Denial, depression and a whole lot of anger.
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The kind of anger Pelosi is describing is on both sides and I don't think this bodes well for our country. My concern is that it seems (IMO) a lot of the anger towards the left is misplaced. We didn't force Bush and the GOP to betray them and we shouldn't get extra crap from the right because they're p*ssed off at their party AND terrified of the "socialists" agenda. It's just not right. ;-(
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CRYMTYPHON9 months, 2 weeks ago
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But is any worse now than 10 years ago?
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Or during the Nixon years?
Or during the McCarthy era?
Or during the depresion (the first one)?
Or during the civil war?
Or during the Missouri compromise?
Or during the revolution?
Or when Cane stared angrily at the back of Abel's head?
Insane, paranoid anger is part of the political engine.
Their's , I mean; my anger is only righteous wrath and the thirst for justice .
Pelosi was brave to film this.
I wouldn't have gone done it without a fake name, beard and bullet-proof tank.
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Georgia509 months, 2 weeks ago
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vor9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I would say scratching an "B" on your face and filing a police report saying you were raped is similar. It's called mental illness. Millions of America suffer from this disease - on both sides.
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And I don't remember the Left going out and buying up as much ammo as possible as is currently happening. The laughable part is how completely un-American a country these people would establish if they had the chance.
And if I do recall correctly 90+% of the public backed GW post 9/11. I suppose a few of that number were Democrats? He allowed that support to be scuttled by the likes of Cheney. Would cons and neocons fall behind Obama in similar numbers? I seriously doubt it!
We don't expect you to work with us. Your idealogy s-cks and has been shown to be an abysmal failure. You tried to enrich your base at the expense of the average American and scuttled the free market because of it. Take your tinker toys and go home and think about what you have done. Then maybe someone in your party will come up with something progressive and forward thinking other than trying to scare and fool the electorate. That worked before but the results can only be viewed as catastrophic. -
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GWHayduke9 months, 2 weeks ago
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How bout you get back to us when you find yourself not putting your ideology and party before your country?
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How bout you get back to us when you realize that 8 years of failure doesnt deserve to be prolonged.
How bout you get back to us when you realize that you were far better off in 2000 than you are in 2009.
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sinophil499 months, 2 weeks ago
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Georgia - Your dejection will never reach the depths of ours. After Gore lost to Bush (even though Gore won the popular vote 50999897 to 50456002) and after Kerry lost, we could only bang our collective heads on the wall and watch Bush tear our country apart and make his monumental mistakes about Afghanistan and Iraq.
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You guys will see the country rise again in economic strength, international stature, and political unity. What ARE you grieving about?
The wicked witch of the White House is dead. Take out your red, sequined shoes and start dancing for joy again.
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BB649 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think the GOP has some problems right now but I think they will come back stronger than ever. The economy isn't as bad off as they're telling you. Unemployment is still under 10% and some firms are in fact growing, Bucyrus International is an example in the news today. The claims of Bacon Obama and his posse clearly want you to think you cannot live without the government handouts. It's a terrible waste.
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earthlingerer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ok, so it's under 10% when you consider ONLY recent applicants for unempolyment, which would have been 7.6% in January.
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Now lets consider long-term unemployed. you know, people who can't find jobs, or have given up on the market.
Oh yeah, then there's the "involuntary part-time workers", who right now account for about 7.5 million people. Those are the folks who work out of sheer desperation... you know, the kinds of americans who take "those jobs" away from illegal aliens.
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fiftynine9 months, 2 weeks ago
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What kind of drugs are you on BB ? Must be powerful stuff to blind you like that..
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BB64 "The economy isn't as bad off as they're telling you. "..ok..lol..Then all of these EXPERTS aren't nearly as smart as a used car salesman..or was that heavy equip...Doesn't matter..just a brilliant guy BB..you could singlehandedly fix our "good economy"...millions have lost their jobs,unemployment in place that have have traditionally low numbers are around FIFTEEN percent..WE are in debt trillion..most held by communist China..but yet the great and wise BB says "the economy isn't as bad as they say...You are friggin idiot!!!
This is another one from the great patriot BB64 that was so upset that the left weren't patriots because they called his leader bush names..."The claims of Bacon Obama and his posse clearly want you to think you cannot live without the government handouts. It's a terrible waste."..
This is from the same moron that applauded every disastrous move that the bushboy made including the wall street bailouts...come on BB...Who gave the most in handouts to date..bushboy or Obama...think before answering because anyone that thinks the economy isn't as bad as they say needs to sort those thoughts clearly.
More right wing crap from the "i know everything"..BB64..Pathetic !! -
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GLee9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I must agree with you BB. We are suffering through a 'liberal led' economic pounding all for the sake of the Presidency while knowing in fact that Congress leads this country moreso than our sitting leader. A total mess was created, now we get to see if these 'people' can, in fact, clean up thier mess. Not a fair shake for the American public but the truth is coming ever so clean.
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sinophil499 months, 2 weeks ago
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BB - You are just a callous idiot. You do not take into consideration those who are
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1) still employed but have lost their homes,
2) lost hours or salary level or benefits or all of the above in their original jobs
3) have been out of work for so long they have given up looking and are not in the statistics
4) were laid off and had to take part time or menial jobs to stay alive (eg., silicon valley executives who recently signed up to be census takers)
5) running small businesses that are desperately struggling to stay afloat.
Depending on which article you read, the unemployment rate during the Great Depression ranged form 12.5% to 19.1%. The reason is that the current statistical methodology we use was not adopted until 1940. So the unemployment rates before 1940 are estimates.
If the 12.5% rate is correct, we are not too far from a real depression. I guess you won't be worrying about the failing economy and depression until the unemployment rate reaches - what - 12.4%?.
Thanks a lot, George Bush. Your legacy will be with us for a long, long, long time. -
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"I think the GOP has some problems right now but I think they will come back stronger than ever."
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--Pelosi warns us of that. It's disheartening to realize that right wingers could someday in my lifetime end up in power again--while having learned nothing from the last 8 years.
"The economy isn't as bad off as they're telling you. Unemployment is still under 10% and some"
--No. I'm afraid it is. Look what happened to Gramm. And McCain. Exactly. They got slapped upside the head by reality. And Bush finally said so when he had no choice but to acknowledge the truth. To deny this now is to believe that Bush was lying a couple of months ago when he came out (looking as if the world was about to end) to beg for money for his banker and insurance buddies or he was lying in the years leading up to this meltdown. Which is it?
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Klarissa9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"I remember 2004, when they said that the Democrats were in the permanent minority.
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And now look. So, I think that the minute we write them off, the more we diminish their power, the stronger they're going to be in four years. I think sometimes losing empowers you more than it defeats you.
And I found a lot of people who are so unhappy with Obama as president that they are going to do everything they can to help Republican candidates defeat what they see as the liberal takeover of America."
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Wolfie20079 months, 2 weeks ago
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earthlingerer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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It would have to be a plot, "occult" as they would say. Sounds like Bolsheviks or Nazis. I can't think of anything good in america that came from "plotting."
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And why are you "shrimping?" Nevermind, that's a republican thing we all wouldn't understand. -
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vor9 months, 2 weeks ago
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This drivel from a poster who chose to model his moniker after one of the most scurrilous government officials we will ever see. Wolfowitz was the neocon "genius". He was the brilliant one. Yet most of his ambitious ideas were complete failures. Like all neocons he eschewed responsibility then fled for the World Bank (only to once again disgrace himself).
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You are the pathetic one, though I will show you know pity. -
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djn3nunez39 months, 2 weeks ago
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we're not grieving but plotting
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Yes I believe they are.
Ya know, the last time they plotted and planned we got the GWB administration. If everyone remembers how that plot turned out we don't have to worry about another Republcan Administration destroying the country like GW did! -
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sinophil499 months, 2 weeks ago
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wolfie - "...we're not grieving but plotting."
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Of course, Republicans being the conniving, cheating group that you are, that's all you do. Plotting to regain political power with nary a thought about the good of the country.
You guys already plotted successfully in planting GWB in the WH. Look what he and you guys have done to our once-magnificent country.
Enough of your plotting! We need to work on getting our country's finances back in shape, killing OBL, regaining our international stature, stabilizing Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and providing health care for our people.
You guys go ahead and hide in your dark, dank caves and plot. We will do some hard work here - for the good of the country. If you want to help, join in. If not, stay in your caves. -
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Sorry, you poor little liberal progressive democrat sillies we're not grieving but plotting. Be careful be very careful."
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--Well, what other choice do you have but to behave in sleazy underhanded ways when you've convinced yourselves that you're never wrong (your recipe is not flawed-- it's just that everyone else has bad taste), self-criticism or self-analysis are weaknesses, and the rest of the world is wrong and plotting against you?
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earthlingerer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I love it when someone who tried to be so truly objective says this about the followers of the GOP faith:
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"That gentleman was screaming, "Wake up America!" and on the side of his truck it said, "Obama is a socialist idiot," and I just didn't understand how he could be so misinformed. He was an electrician. He made less than $150,000 a year. And he was toeing the party line of a party that was not helping him. There were a lot of people who didn't know what socialism was, and this is tricky, because you don't want to make them all look like, "Oh, he didn't know what socialism was." This isn't a Jay Leno episode. You're not trying to point out that 90 percent of the people at the rallies don't know what socialism is."
90 percent... how true. When you look at what they supported for the previous eight years, it's clear they don't know what "freedoms" or "rights" are either.
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4cprocess9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have to agree on that. The incessant pounding along with the drumbeat of change, change, change was about all I could stand.
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What happened to the drive and promise for bipartisanship? Can't say I've seen much of that. Looks more like a steamrolling political machine.
As a middle-class American taxpayer it seems right now the only "change" that I can anticipate at this point is the seven dollars and some "change" coming to a paycheck soon.
I've already sent my 2 girls through college, my son turns 17 this year (so there goes the child tax credit) and he doesn't plan on going to college, I don't plan on replacing either one of my 2 (less than 3 years old) cars, would love to buy a new house but can't find anyone to buy mine because they can't find anyone to buy theirs or they can't qualify for a loan, I'm not a policeman, teacher, college employee, public works employee or other state or govt. employee and my wife watches our grandchildren for free to help out the kids so she can't even get a job, even if there was one available. We've paid our fair share of taxes and our bills including our mortgage and managed all of this through 2 previous recessions (Carter/Bush-Clinton-Bush). I just recently was able to start contributing to a 401K (in my late 40's) only to see it evaporate in the current market. I've got the federal govt. telling me what I can and can't do, the state govt. telling me what I can and can't do, the county govt. telling me what I can and can't do, the city govt. telling me what I can and can't do, the education board telling me what I can and can't do and my neighborhood association telling me what I can and can't do. I guess it would be too much to ask all these folks to simply agree on some basic issues or rules to simply apply to everyone fairly and go out and find a job or life that requires an equivalent participation as that which has been required of me.
Only thing is, this would require pride, independence and ingenuity. That's what's been lost in this country. There was a time when pride was something to not be ashamed of but in this now so liberally motivated and politically correct society if one holds his head high, they (the politically correct), along with the mentally challenged and sensationally driven media have actually misconstrued and misinterpreted pride as snobbiness, vanity, greed and even rude or selfish behavior.
Interpretation can be a great tool if used wisely but when used emotionally through such feelings as jealousy, lack of ambition or simple prejudice then the interpretation itself can become fallible. Fairness cannot be interpreted by force or emotion it must be interpreted by achievement through a insightful endeavor to be equal.
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mesodude9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"i don't feel any of that. if anything, its refreshing to watch the circus go by, rather than get pounded for everything."
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--Pheww...Well, if *you* don't feel it, then clearly Pelosi has no idea what she's talking about. Time for her to find a new line of work,I guess.
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Klarissa9 months, 2 weeks ago
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They [Republicans] had huge crowds, and I felt they were really underrepresented in the media. I didn’t feel like I saw these people on TV.
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And when I went out to talk to people, the first thing they would say to me was, "I can't believe you're talking to me." They were so flattered that I wanted to hear what they had to say because they'd say, "The media doesn't listen to us. You turn on the TV and all you see is Obama nation and you don't see us."
They had some points. My liberal friends, I have to remind them that they have some really good points. No. 1, the media did not fairly represent them in this election. Obama was on the cover of every magazine all summer long. I understand Obama sold magazines. It's a business. But when you've got a presidential election and you have half of the country feeling really underrepresented, I think that's a real problem.
And I think that's a bigger problem than Obama versus McCain.
There was this guy in Fort Wayne, Ind., Fred Boise, who says, "The media paints us to be fanatics. They treat us like hicks and we just go to Wal-Mart and we're rednecks. And they don't come to get to know us, and they go on stereotypes."
I think all of that is true. Of course there were a lot of clichés that I had to overcome when I got there. "Hi, I'm from New York and my last name is Pelosi," and obviously that was like funny to them in a weird way. Like, "What are you doing here?"-
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orndorffter9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well I know that we are headed in the right direction, Obama is going to bring us out of this,all the greed that the Repbulicans have is what got us in the mess we in now.do you think a Republican would offer their help to someone if they saw with their own eyes that a family with kids were going to bed hungery or the elderly were sick and had no way to be treated. Thoes Whitehouse Republicans are nothing but greedy people, so afraid of losing a dime, It well come back on them and it well be harder then what they think, you never do anything to anyone unless it comes back on you. So do your little ploting and what ever because Democrates out number the greed. And frankly my dear I dont give a dame.
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Georgia509 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's fun watching libs yak out of both sides of their mouth.
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First it's: "Bush ruined the country for eight long years blah blah and blah."
Now ram the transmission into reverse: "It's ok if we pile on the debt because we're just doing what Bush did." -
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