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Posted By RedRiverJ 10 months, 1 week ago in NewsCIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – The police chief of Mexico's largest border city has stepped down after criminal gangs threatened to kill more cops if he didn't resign.Roberto OrdunaRoberto Orduna
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RedRiverJ10 months, 1 week ago
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The slayings were a chilling sign that criminal gangs are determined to control the police force of the biggest Mexican border city, with a population of 1.3 million people across from El Paso, Texas.
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This is a situation that seems to be ignored by our government. If these drug czar's and criminals take over there will be a huge influx of people into the USA. With our economy teetering on very uncertain times, this situation could be detrimental to the USA.-
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Red it's coming and the government knows it
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This isn't receiving much national attention:
Texas crafts plan for Mexico collapse
Texas officials are working on a plan to respond to a potential collapse of the Mexican government and the specter of thousands fleeing north in fear for their lives after recent reports indicated the country could be on the verge of chaos.
"You hope for the best, plan for the worst," Katherine Cesinger, spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry, said last week. "At this point, we've got a contingency plan that's in development."
Late last year the U.S. Department of Defense issued a report that listed Pakistan and Mexico as countries that could rapidly collapse. The report came after similar alarms sounded by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey.
"I think their fears are well-grounded," Texas Home land Security Director Steve McCraw told lawmakers recently at a border security briefing.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_11655113?source=most...-
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orndorffter10 months ago
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Would it help if we sent emails to Obama? we have everything we need on his site a box to emai him, swithboard phone number Obamas Phone number and a nother one I forget what that one is for, like I said below, They need someone like Charles Bronson in Death Wish. Get all the men you can and blast them suckers away.
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nostalgia10 months ago
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"Would it help if we sent emails to Obama?"
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Obama isn't going to do anything about this
He gets briefings on what is going on. The FBI and Homeland Security KNOW what is going on
When people along the border even DARE to hold illegals and call the Border patrol they get sued
Mixed verdict for rancher in migrant case
Roger Barnett of Arizona must pay $73,000 to four immigrants after holding them at gunpoint, a jury finds, but he's cleared of violating their civil rights.
A federal jury this week found that an Arizona rancher who has complained about illegal immigrants trespassing and trashing his border property has to pay four women $73,000 after he detained them and other migrants at gunpoint.
In a verdict Tuesday afternoon, the jury in Tucson found that Roger Barnett did not violate the women's civil rights but was liable for four claims of assault and infliction of emotional distress.
Barnett is well-known in southeastern Arizona, which has been a hot spot for illegal border crossings since the late 1990s. Immigrant rights groups have long called him a vigilante; supporters say he is simply defending his land. He and many other ranchers complain about vehicles tearing through their property and groups of immigrants that they say tear up their water tanks and leave debris.
Barnett has said that he has reported thousands of illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-...-
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nostalgia10 months ago
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Obama is also aware of this report:
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Pakistan, Mexico and U.S. nightmares
What do Pakistan and Mexico have in common? They figure in the nightmares of U.S. military planners trying to peer into the future and identify the next big threats.
The two countries are mentioned in the same breath in a just-published study by the United States Joint Forces Command, whose jobs include providing an annual look into the future to prevent the U.S. military from being caught off guard by unexpected developments.
“In terms of worst-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico,” says the study - Joint Operating Environment 2008 - in a chapter on “weak and failing states.” Such states, it says, usually pose chronic, long-term problems that can be managed over time.
But the little-studied phenomenon of “rapid collapse,” according to the study, “usually comes as a surprise, has a rapid onset, and poses acute problems.” Think Yugoslavia and its 1990 disintegration into a chaotic tangle of warring nationalities and bloodshed on a horrific scale.
Mexico’s mention beside Pakistan in a study by an organization as weighty as the Joint Forces Command (which controls almost all conventional forces based in the continental U.S.) speaks volumes about growing concern over what’s happening south of the U.S. border.
Vicious and widening violence pitting drug cartels against each other and against the Mexican state have left more than 8,000 Mexicans dead over the past two years. Kidnappings have become a routine part of Mexican daily life. Common crime is widespread. Pervasive corruption has hollowed out the state.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/01/07/p...
Nothing is going to be done on a Federal level until it's too late
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Some other stories which have not received much national attention:
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Reporters Without Borders did an investigative report into what was happening in Ciudad Juárez
More 4,000 people were killed as a result of the government offensive and attacks by drug trafficking cartels in Mexico in 2008. More than a quarter of these deaths, 1,456, occurred in Ciudad Juárez alone. "We are sick with fear, we know that if they want to kill you, they will kill you and no one is there to protect you," a journalist told the delegation. "We scared because of what we know, not because of what we publish," another said.
Eight Ciudad Juárez journalists received threatening mobile phone messages claiming to come from a drug cartel in January 2008. The messages all said, "Don't get mixed up with the wrong people," or something very similar. Armando Rodríguez Carreón was one of the journalists. When he reported the threat to the Chihuahua state prosecutor's office, he was told he should leave town as there was no way of guaranteeing his safety.-
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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This is part of an interview with a US journalist from El Paso who has been covering stories in Mexico for years:
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A Local TV Journalist's Tips for Covering Mexican Border Stories
Al Tompkins: How bad is the violence across the border? How has the situation changed in the last year?
Angela Kocherga: It's the worst I've seen, and I've covered Mexico and the border my entire career. Just in Ciudad Juarez there were 1,600 killings last year. And the bloodbath continues. Last week we saw beheadings in a small border town on the outskirts of Juarez. The killers brazenly left the head of the police chief in an ice chest on the doorstep of the small police station. And it's not just drug traffickers fighting one another for turf. Kidnappings for ransom, extortion and robberies of every kind are rampant. Juarez is really bordering on lawlessness.
How difficult is it for you, as a journalist, to do your job in Mexico? I assume journalists feel constantly threatened as they cover stories about killings and crime.
Kocherga: First I want to point out that the Mexican journalists who live in Juarez and other conflict zones are most at risk. Some journalists have disappeared, and others have been killed over the past few years while covering the drug story. Attackers have targeted both newspaper and TV station offices in Mexico. Most recently, anchors at a Televisa station in Monterrey, Mexico, asked for help on the air when someone threw a grenade at the station during a newscast.
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stephen-johnson10 months, 1 week ago
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Really scary that the drug gangs have that much power in Mexico.
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Criminal gangs of illegal aliens here have turned Phoenix into the kidnapping capital of this country. They don't have the power to intimidate our law enforcement - yet. But given the PC mindset of too many politicians, this could change in the future.-
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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I'm hearing lots of things from friends in Tucson:
The chief of police in Phoenix doesn't really want his police officers to have long guns? They aren't even asking for automatics but the chief is dragging his feet - is that true?
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stephen-johnson10 months, 1 week ago
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I live in NYC, so I'm not personally aware of the situation in Arizona. The story about the kidnappings in Phoenix by criminal gangs actually snuck through the media censors earlier this month. What your friends say about police restraint against the scourge sounds right, though.
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As for Napolitano, we in New York have been governed for more than two decades by a parade of doofusses from Cuomo to Pataki to Spitzer to the current bumbler, Paterson. With that cast of misfits, I can't criticize another state's governor
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GehlLady10 months, 1 week ago
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FTA:
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"Homeland Security officials have said they will bring in the military if the violence continues to grow and threatens the U.S. border region.
"The violence is spreading like wildfire across the Rio Grande," said George Grayson, a Mexico expert at the College of William & Mary in Virginia. "It's a major national security problem for us that is much more important than Iraq and Afghanistan."
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Wolfie200710 months, 1 week ago
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"Homeland Security officials have said they will bring in the military if the violence continues to grow and threatens the U.S. border region."
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How long or how large does this problem have to grow before Homeland Security thinks it needs attention?.
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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"What would happen to their power if the drugs were decriminalized?"
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Seems to be a question that is often asked BUT what do you decriminalize? Everything?
Just a few weeks ado a shipment of drugs from across the border was stopped. Along with the typical drugs that immediately come to mind there was also a large quantity of a drug that vets use to euthanize animals
Upon questioning the officials learned that this drug is currently being used in the US as a date rape drug
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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I was pointing how how ridiculous it is to say "legalize" the drugs
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The gangs will simply find drugs that no one in their right mind would legalize and make money off of those
No one in their right mind would legalize a vet drug used to euthanize animals that is also used as a date rape drug
Can you imagine the uproar if the Feds would legalize date rape drugs?
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fcsolares10 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks Red for all the insight! I my humble opinion, I believe all Americans should be outraged and outspoken about this very serious problem. America is a wonderful country and to think the possibility of these criminals crossing into our land and bringing along drugs, crime and filth is enraging. If nothing can be done let's at least get our guns and do something for this countries future!
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Violent gangs from Mexico and Central America are in almost every major US city
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Read about the gang warfare that is going on in LA - the Mexican gangs are fighting Black gangs for turf
LA held the second international conference on gangs last year
This is one statement from that conference:
“Though violent crime is down in Los Angeles, the notorious birthplace of many gangs, the city is under siege by the constant threat of gangs, many of whose membership has grown to global proportions,” said Salvador Hernandez, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI in Los Angeles. “The FBI has risen to combat this worldwide crisis through the formation of the National Gang Task Force, and locally, through multi-agency task forces. We continue to see however, the news of shootings, robberies, extortions and innocent childrens’ lives cut short without warning and without sense. By coming together at these international meetings, we are doing more than just discussing the problem; we are helping each other create ways to rid the world of gang-related violence.”
United States Attorney Thomas P. O'Brien stated: "Working together with local law enforcement agencies, we are having an impact on the lives of people who live in gang-infested communities. In just the past few months, we have targeted the 18th Street Gang, MS-13 and other street gangs -- some of which have ties to other countries, some of which threaten to become trans-national.-
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Then you also see stories like this:
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Racist Mexican Gangs "Ethnic Cleansing" Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology
Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren't even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.
A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/2...
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PatrioticAmerican10 months, 1 week ago
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Heres a crazy idea, If they know who the gangsters are and what they are going to do to police then the police have due cause and lawful right to protect themselves, they need to shoot these gangsters on sight. it would shoow the Gangs that the police are not afraid of them and it would show the public that the police are really trying to do their job and protect them, and if it gets to bad then the police could ask people to evcuate the area temporarily to protect them and then take on the gangs in a fight. but im just a guy who back down from bullies so i might be a little 1 sided on this, i dont look for fights but im glad to be part of 1
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Want to get really angry???
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Sanctuary Cities are a Threat to Our National Security
“Sanctuary Cities” are replicating disease like throughout the country. These make-shift communities serve as safe havens for illegal immigrants, with sometimes tragic results. Just ask Jamiel Shaw, a 17-year-old Los Angeles resident, who was recklessly gunned down by a 19-year-old "Sanctuary City" resident named Pedro Espinoza. Espinoza, an illegal immigrant and member of the 18th Street gang, murdered Shaw without reason. Even worse, Espinoza was allowed to seek cover for his murder by hiding out in "Sanctuary Cities."
Espinoza’s motive for killing Shaw was imprinted on the two-letter tattoo that stretched across his neck: "BK." The letters are an acronym for “Black Killer.” In Espinoza’s case, the “B” was crossed out. The crossed out “B” means that he has killed black people. For assassins like Espinoza, part of their gang initiation is to go out and randomly gun down someone who is black.-
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nostalgia10 months, 1 week ago
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Obviously the liberal city feels good about these ridiculous policies or they wouldn’t allow for a law that directly led to the senseless murders of Tony Bologna and his sons just a few months ago. Edwin Ramos, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador and a known member of the Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) street gang, gunned down Bologna and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16 when Bologna inadvertently blocked Ramos from making a left-hand turn in the Excelsior District of San Francisco. This was not Ramos’ first brush with the law.
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The killer was booked on felony weapons charges and for illegal street gang activity earlier this year. But thanks to San Francisco's Sanctuary City status, instead of being reported to federal immigration authorities and deported, Ramos was allowed to roam the streets of San Francisco until his arrest for the Bologna killings.
Almost as bad, San Francisco has recently been taking juvenile illegal immigrant criminals and instead of prosecuting or deporting them, sending them to group homes in neighboring counties without notification. As absurd as these sounds, it’s true. Not only are San Francisco officials not turning over illegal immigrants as federal law requires, but they are spending tax payer dollars to house or monitor these criminals, and worse, putting their own citizens at risk.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28960
If the police do see a gang member walking on the street and they KNOW he was previously deported for violent activity, they aren't even allowed to stop him and arrest him until he violates the law again under the law in many sanctuary cities
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Wolfie200710 months, 1 week ago
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Many say it won't be long before the government in Mexico fails. What happens then? We've have invaded Mexico twice in our country's history both times because of civil unrest there that was threating to spill over into the United States. We might have to do it again.
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orndorffter10 months ago
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I would not leave the force If I was a man I would be like charles bronson in death wish, they need someone who is not afraid of them drug aditc punks, if they wanted to kill because he wouldnt step down, they should have enough men and everyone they see just blast them away, I Hope Obama sends someone to kick their as.., if he doesnt we are going to have trouble. put off the other and take care of that problem because the us is in just as mush danger. Just Blast em away. I am going to send Obama an Email, because this is scary, and Redriver a very good post.
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SFCGuyW10 months ago
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This has become a habit in Mex. A gang will kill a few cops and threaten wholesale murder of police officers unless the person in authority who is leading a partially successful campaign against the gangs resigns, thus allowing the gangs to do as they please. In the USA this does not work, instead the police call for state and federal police help and go after the gangs with a fury. Many gangs in the USA have been virtually destroyed when they tried this crap. The Mex. President has sent in the federal police special forces and military in numerous places around the country. Now is the time to do the same along the border. If these states/cities of Mexico collapse to the gangs the USA might send in US special forces to destroy the gangs and secure the border. If the Mex. govt does not want that they need to step up and do their job.
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nostalgia10 months ago
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It is already affecting US citizens
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Kidnappings of U.S. citizens on rise
Sophisticated Mexican groups plot abductions
Organized, well-financed and violent Mexican kidnapping cells are targeting a growing number of U.S. citizens visiting communities popular with San Diegans and other California residents.
Last year, at least 26 San Diego County residents were kidnapped and held for ransom in Tijuana, Rosarito Beach or Ensenada, local FBI agents overseeing the cases said yesterday. In 2006, at least 11 county residents had been kidnapped in the three communities.
“Some of the 26 were recovered, some were hurt and some were killed,” said agent Alex Horan, who directs the FBI's violent-crime squad in San Diego.
“It's not a pleasant experience. Victims have reported beatings, torture and there have been rapes. . . . Handcuffs and hoods over the head are common,” he said.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/...-
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nostalgia10 months ago
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Houston Chronicle Feb. 8, 2009
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Caught in the chaos
More than 200 U.S. citizens killed in Mexico since '04
A 22-year-old man from Houston and his 16-year-old friend are hauled out of a minivan in Mexico, shot execution style by thugs in a black Lincoln Continental, and left dead in the dirt.
The body of a 65-year-old nurse from Brownsville is found floating in the Rio Grande after a visit to a Mexican beauty salon.
An American retiree, an ex-Marine, is stabbed to death as he camps on a Baja beach with his dog.
More than 200 U.S. citizens have been slain in Mexico’s escalating wave of violence since 2004 — an average of nearly one killing a week, according to a Houston Chronicle investigation into the deaths.
Rarely are the killers captured.
The U.S. State Department tracks most American homicides abroad, but the department releases minimal statistics and doesn’t include victims’ names or details about the deaths. The Chronicle examined hundreds of records to document the personal tragedies behind them.
“I’m no longer the same person,” said Paula Valdez, a Houston mother whose son was slain near her childhood home in Mexico’s Guerrero state in 2004.
More U.S. citizens suffered unnatural deaths in Mexico than in any other foreign country — excluding military killed in combat zones — from 2004 to 2007, State Department statistics show.
In at least 70 other cases, U.S. citizens appear to have been killed while in Mexico for innocent reasons: visiting family, taking a vacation, or simply living or working there.
Across Mexico, more than 5,000 lives were taken last year, including police, public officials, journalists and bystanders, with seemingly little regard for age, social status or nationality, Mexican authorities report.
Mutilated bodies have been draped on highway overpasses or posed in schoolyards and public squares. Authorities have uncovered mass graves known as narcofosas and body disposal sites, where killers dissolved corpses in barrels of chemicals.
At least 40 Americans were among those killed and dumped in gruesome methods favored by cartel killers, the Chronicle found. Two Texan teens were victims of an American serial killer in Nuevo Laredo, who bragged to a friend in a recorded cell phone call that he stewed their remains in vats.-
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nostalgia10 months ago
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Obama will do nothing about this for one reason - APPEARANCE
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It will make it look like the govt of the US has no confidence in the Mexican govt
It is going to get very ugly on the border as ranchers get fed up with being over run, equipment and livestock destroyed and their very lives threatened
Some of these ranchers are wealthy and I won't be surprised to see them hire their own security - militia types
Some of the sheriffs along the border will actually be thankful for the help and turn a blind eye
Then watch the Feds to spring into action - against the ranchers
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