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Posted By pc25 9 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsWhen does the military’s compliance with international law qualify as bad news? When you’re a new president desperate for excuses to follow through on a dopey campaign promise that’ll please your nutroots base and no one else.
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123448807524880329...
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Obama's Antiterror Progress
He embraces Bush policies on secrecy, rendition.
President Obama has done a masterful job disguising his Administration's growing antiterror maturity, but this week produced further evidence that he is erring on the side of keeping the country safe rather than appeasing the political left. The Justice Department filed to dismiss a federal appeals case involving rendition, embracing an argument developed by . . . the Bush Administration.
wonder where this leaves the nut roots who are screaming for an investigation of Bush's DOJ -
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hope and Change Administration: Detainees have “no constitutional rights”
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As the Who said, “Meet the new boss — same as the old boss“:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/21/hope-and-cha...-
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wtagg9 months, 2 weeks ago
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You really need to stop listening to the radio.
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I voted for Paul. I'm a gazillion miles to the right of your alleged conservative posturing. You supported a liberal admin for 8 years. You are a liberal, as defined by your actions.
I am against all bailouts. The president you supported and the candidate you voted for were not. My candidate voted against every bailout. Your actions speak for themselves.
So, why are you not happy that the present admin is continuing with the policies you supported with the previous admin? Do you only believe certain people should have access to bailouts and those bailout funds should have no restrictions upon how they are used? That worked out well and your candidate supported it.
You need to learn to walk the walk. Right now, the only thing you seem to have a talent for is repeating what you hear. -
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fiftynine9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Messiah"...hey waggy..you need some profession help,besides the mutiple personality thing (which is really sad),you have some weird messiah complex...you are always talking about Obama as if he is the Messiah..strange that it is only you and a couple of others on the right that see him that way..You really need help..now go get it.
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pc259 months, 3 weeks ago
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'No US rights' for Bagram inmates
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7903005.stm-
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GehlLady9 months, 3 weeks ago
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FTLink:
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"Prof Olshansky said the conditions at the Bagram facility, which is near the Afghan capital, Kabul, were worse than those at Guantanamo Bay, adding that there was a lack of due process available to detainees.
"The situation in Bagram is so far from anything like meeting the laws of war or the human rights treaties that we're bound to," she told the BBC. "
Thanks for the link PC.
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RedRiverJ9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Check this out..........
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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's Justice Department sided with the former Bush administration on Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.
In a two-sentence court filing, department lawyers said the Obama administration agreed that detainees at Bagram Air Base cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.
Shades of Jimmy Carter????????????
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/20/obama-a...-
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Tangent0019 months, 2 weeks ago
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FTA: "The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a continuing military action."
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While I am not entirely pleased with the decision, I can understand the nuance of the situation.
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fiftynine9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"he restored the luster of the US Presidency merely by sitting in the Oval Office."...First he had to Open the windows..the stench of hypocrisy was overwhelming...Then he took a shovel to the chair he now occupys to get the s--t out of it from his predecessor..
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GehlLady9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Walsh concluded that … force-feeding, which involves strapping prisoners to feeding chairs and forcing tubes down one nostril and into their stomachs, is in compliance the Geneva Convention’s mandate that the lives of prisoners must be preserved, the government official said."
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I do wish I had the wisdom to suggest the proper course of action, but I don't. I can't condone the above practice, either. If they prefer to die from a hunger strike, let them. -
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nostalgia9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Seems the ACLU doesn't want them in the Colorado supermax prison anyway
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ACLU of Colorado executive director Cathryn Hazouri says the conditions at Supermax won’t be an improvement for terror suspects. Noting that several Gitmo detainees have been released after the Bush administration admitted it couldn’t prove guilt, Hazouri questions whether a move to the tiny cells at Supermax, where most inmates are kept in solitary confinement 23 hours a day, is fair treatment for suspects awaiting trial.
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icono19 months, 3 weeks ago
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As 'The Messiah' he is omnipotent and therefore never, I repeat never, has to apologize to any mere mortal for anything much less a former President of the US.
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I do find it interesting how the view of Gitmo has now been officially sanitized and is now acceptable to the MSM and the new politicos in DC.
This is kinda like re-writing history to suit your political purposes.-
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fiftynine9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Beeboppin719 months, 2 weeks ago
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The very same statement could be applied to any poster on this particular story.
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Fiftynine has just as much right to be here as you. He is not violating the Terms Of Use.
I would like to see your answer to an above question.
Why are you so angry that Obama is continuing policies that you supported with the previous Administration?-
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icono19 months, 2 weeks ago
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Very true Bee in that 0Bama is really not changing anything, he is in large part just continuing on with policies already established by other Admins.
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However 59's response shows enthusaim for his political hero, 0Bama, yet also underscores a salient fact about his, 59's, lack of a basic understanding of how democratic Govts work when faced with situations that may in some way appear to be socially odious, ie Gitmo, yet at the same time, due to context of a given situation, ie the first years of the war on terror, deemed very necessary. However, now that 0Bama has his special report on Gitmo that basically says all the DNC's talking points about the facility where in error at best and malicious propaganda at worst>
As for the implication that 9/11 was caused by Saddam that is one several people including the MSM have been allowed to connect together because in all honesty the Bush Admin was really not clear on how 9/11, al Qaeda, and Iraq fit together in any logical context other than the ongoing conflict between Saddam and the Bush's. So in effect it was GW2's Admin that did not connect the right dots together and let the public think that Saddam and OBL were buddies when in reality they absolutely despised each other not only ethically but socially.-
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icono19 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry about that I was interrupted by propeller now I will finish my thought;
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"However, now that 0Bama has his special report on Gitmo that basically says all the DNC's talking points about the facility where in error at best and malicious propaganda at worst, he 0Bama has, with this report exonerated the Bush Admin's decision to use Gitmo, as well as other 'facilities', as detention camps for the captured 'Enemy Combatants. ie he covered his predecessors azz.
And y'all thought there would be real change with the new President.
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Dionys9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Tcaros9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Exactly, one conservative cover-up artist with an opinion contrary to general observation.
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I guess we should think sensory deprivation is treating people humanely.
Google sensory deprivation or ask a medical doctor how long a person lasts with his eyes, ears, sense of touch, and movement cancelled out for several days.
Remember the orange suits with gloves, goggles and ankle shackles. Some of these folks were picked up for no apparant reason other than someone said "that person, right there." -
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Dionys9 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's interesting. I don't think I've ever heard a liberal, or someone who voted for Obama, call him 'the Messiah' or even imply such a thing.
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I wonder.. Do conservatives mock the true Messiah in the same, underhanded, sneaky, mocking way?-
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fiftynine9 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Do conservatives mock the true Messiah in the same, underhanded, sneaky, mocking way?"
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What..the compassionate conservatives,the religious right,the moral majority...you have to be kidding.That would mean that they are hypocrites..
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stephen-johnson9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Gitmo has to be closed, but detention in Afghanistan continues:
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/02/21/obama-ad...
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TOD3969 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow, Just a month into a 48 month stint and already obama and crew are backpeddling. Well, it just goes to show you, the more things "change", the more they stay the same.
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Obama really isn't going to be any better or any worse than Bush. He just had the luxury of claiming that he would be different.-
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Tangent0019 months, 2 weeks ago
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How is the Obama administration 'backpedaling'? The report hasn't even been released yet. I imagine the Pentagon's report is one of a number of evaluations and I'd expect the most 'rosy' report to come from the folks who are RUNNING the place.
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Tcaros9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Okay folks.... this is not even a news article. It's a conservative blog.
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Do you trust "one person at the Pentagon to say that people working for the Pentagon under Rumsfeild were treating people humanely?"
What an utter bunch of whitewash, hogwash, or whatever you call it.
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sinophil499 months, 3 weeks ago
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You cons are really stretching it aren't you?
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Obama wants to CLOSE GITMO and the report was part of the review process.
The article does NOT say that Obama wants to keep Gitmo open and needs a justification to do so.
The article does not say that Obama ordered a coverup.
Since the review was part of the process of closing Gitmo, the clear implication was that Gitmo would be closed regardless of the outcome of the report. The unspoken implication is that the review would be part of the decision on further steps down the line. What would that be - disciplining, court martial, demotion, jail, discharge???
It REALLY smells like Adm Patrick Walsh was simply covering up the collective asses of the military involvement in Gitmo in order to avoid future disciplinary action.
So all you cons wagging your fingers and spewing your hypocritical righteoous anger should direct it at the military who tortured prisoners under the orders of Bush. Now the military is (are?) sh*tt*ng bricks with worry and trying to weasel their way out of legal repercussions.
I repeat. BUSH ORDERED THE TORTURE.
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Beau78909 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's not like they're all being set free. They will be moved to other detention centers until it is determined that there is enough evidence to put them on trial or release them back to their native countries.
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You can be certain they won't be roaming American neighborhoods.-
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y_soitenly9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Beau7890,
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re: "If they're terrorists or enemy combatants, we can certainly make a case against them. After all, there must have been justification for putting them there in the first place, right?"
Of course there was. I understand your point.
But we need to direct your statement and question to the US Dept. of Justice.
We should discuss this with the USDOJ and DHS and ask them why there has been such a backlog, if any, of suspected terrorists being held indefinitely at Gitmo and why it has taken so long to give them a fair trial.-
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Beau78909 months, 2 weeks ago
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You mean while keeping them at Guantanamo?
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There are two separate questions then. My original comment was in response to Wolfie, who asked if anyone would want the detainees in their neighborhoods.
I'm fine with asking the DoJ and DHS why it's taken so long to give them a trial. That process can be started while Guantanamo is being closed.-
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y_soitenly9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Beau7890,
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What do you think their response will be, as to why it has taken so long for a trial for each detainee?
Where do you think these criminals should be housed while waiting for a trial?
Which detention center would you like them to be in?-
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Beau78909 months, 2 weeks ago
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No doubt the Pentagon is having a hard time prosecuting the detainees, ever since a judge disallowed evidence obtained through torture. (I guess that Yoo torture memo really was a bad idea, wasn't it?) And seven prosecutors have resigned from the military commissions, citing ethics concerns.
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But I can't understand why, if there was enough evidence to send the detainees to Guantanamo in the first place, they can't be tried. I don't know what the responses of the DoJ, DHS, or DoD would be. Maybe the DoD doesn't want to share information? Maybe DHS would cite national security concerns?
Maybe they should have thought that through before imprisoning "enemy combatants" for an undetermined amount of time with no plan as to what to do with them.
Meanwhile, the detaines can be moved to any American detention center(s) with good security. (It wouldn't bother me if they reinforced and reopened Joliet, or if they transferred them to Stateville, both of which, as you know, are as close to me as any maximum security prison.)
Why do you ask? Are you concerned there will be a prison break? If your answer is that regular American prisons are too lax, aren't you always concerned about violent offenders escaping?-
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y_soitenly9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Beau7890,
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I found something rather interesting to share with you.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/168022
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Wolfie20079 months, 2 weeks ago
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cashbag
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Did you get that remark out of the Propeller Playbook for liberal, progressive, democrats? I've seen the same piece of blather posted on all pc25's articles for the past 6 months. If you guys have to recopy your mouth garbage over and over why bother?-
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Beeboppin719 months, 2 weeks ago
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We are trying to get you to understand that these articles have limited credibility. When yourself, and others like you, begin to understand how to find credible stories, then we will stop posting comments about PC25's crappy stories.
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By the way, I really don't read the Huffington Post for the same reasons that I don't read articles from Hot Air. They are basically opinion pieces with a heavy political slant and often contain misconstrued information. -
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fiftynine9 months, 2 weeks ago
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And your reasons for posting and propping the right wing crap ?
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Yes,the same policy's and decisions made by your great decider are what you and your like feed on...garbage that has put this country on the brink of economic collapse..yet you applaud that don't you waggy ??
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Tangent0019 months, 2 weeks ago
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Um, doesn't the Pentagon RUN Gitmo? Isn't that like asking Nike for a report on the conditions in its sweatshops? Isn't that like asking News Corp. for a report on the accuracy of Fox's reportage?
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The issue of past torture in Gitmo remains unresolved. Keep in mind, this report says that Gitmo 'complies' with the GC, not 'has always complied with' the GC. Even the Red Cross has stated that conditions have improved, but that is not really a vindication of possible past practices.
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Tangent0019 months, 2 weeks ago
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It wasn't until July 7, 2006 that the Pentagon agreed henceforth the detainees would receive protections under GC Common Article 3. Up to that point, the base was operated under the executive guidance that the detainees were not entitled to any GC protection whatsoever. In 2002, trainers were dispatched to Gitmo and based their interrogation classes on a 1957 study of Chinese interrogation techniques designed to illicit false confessions.
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The story of past treatment and the use of 'enhanced interrogation' is far from over. I hope Obama continues on course to close the facility and determine the long-range status of these detainees. -
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lloydm659 months, 2 weeks ago
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They should have been shot on the field of battle.All you snivelling cowards don't know anything about the rules of engagement in war.These people are not soldiers or, Even freedom fighters,their simply killers.When things slow down in the war they will bomb a school,or a market place.Death,and destruction is what drives them.I don't give a big rats a$$ one way or another.The place is ten times better than what they lived in before.I would like to see Alcatraz reopened as is,I also think there should be no guards.I also think that each man should have at least a side arm,and a full ammo belt.All supplies should be air droped.Ill bet you they will kill each other,they need the body count.You know,paradise, virgins and such.
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