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Posted By WikiMap 10 months ago in News

The words ‘experience’ and ‘wisdom’ go hand in hand. The difference between the two is that only experience gives us the ability to take and see things in little more right away than previous blunder whereas ‘wisdom’ gives beautiful and joyous experience always in life.

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    CHAM10 months ago

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    Wicki, this is a good article but the real truth is that wisdom far exceeds the benefit of experience? Need an analogy? OK.

    Experience is the ability to profit from something current. Doesn't require much wisdom.

    Wisdom is the ability to profit from what is learned or from mental conjecture of what could be. Doesn't require any experience of the past, but that could be helpful.

    I may be experienced in fishing with a pole and line and yes I can catch fish. But if I have the wisdom to envision a net, and follow that idea to fruition, well I might be able to feed a whole family instead of just myself.

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      alakazam10 months ago

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      I have to say that I think the question puts the cart before the horse.

      Not that people necessarily learn from experience...stupid is as stupid does.

      At the same time...I really think one must know that of which they speak.

      Wisdom IS knowledge...but it is the knowledge gained from experience and experimentation.

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        BlueJeanBaby510 months ago

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        Interesting, but for me, I think it's experience that teaches us wisdom, or should. I guess it depends on what one learns. But it's just MO.

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          greenmac10 months ago

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          I agree experience puts us on the road to wisdom. If we chose the right meaning to the experience then we gain wisdom. Some go through a long life and never obtain wisdom in an others eyes. Then there are those who gain wisdom early in life, through observation and questioning of their experiences. It still boils down to how the message is received and who it is received by and how it is given.. Confused?

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            BlueJeanBaby510 months ago

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            I agree, that's why I find this site so interesting.

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          greenmac10 months ago

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          Confucius said "By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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            DarkWizard10 months ago

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            greenmac,

            I would have to go with Confucius' saying. I believe that wisdom is the understanding of the lessons within experiences. Imitation may be the easiest, but until we actually imitate and make it our own experience it has no reality. Reflection is the ability to convert the abstract into the practical.

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              DarkWizard9 months, 4 weeks ago

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              Ah, I see that greenmac is spamming me!

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                greenmac9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                The system spammed me..LOL

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            WikiMap10 months ago

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            I thought Experience and Wisdom follows each other in a circle. Experience teaches us knowledge at the same time minimum knowledge needed for doing any tasks assigned. My vote 60 - 40 for Experience and Knowledge.

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              DarkWizard10 months ago

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              I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer for this as wisdom is questioned where experience is lacked and experience without wisdom would seem to mean an inability to grow.

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                lvrofwolves10 months ago

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                But some people don't have the capability of wisdom, tho everyone has the potential for an experience, it's how that experience is perceived by each individual, like for example, I might get much more out of an experience then someone who experienced the exact same thing, even with like intelligence. I think experience trumps, but you have to have wisdom to back it up, of course some experiences are never had because the person has the wisdom not to 'go there/do that' This is one of those things that could be discussed for yrs with no final conclusion. Still interesting tho!

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                CHAM10 months ago

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                Great comments. But I ask whether the fisherman, never having seen a net, never having a net explained to him, could come up with the idea of a net? And if so, it couldn't have been from experience, then what could it have been from?

                A good look at this type of thought is found in Plato's Meno. In this story, and uneducated person is led by conversation to discover the Pythagorean theorem, the value of the Hypotenuse of a right triangle.

                Was that discovery from experience or wisdom? Actually I think Wisdom is nothing more than knowledge put to use and the one asset not mentioned Intelligence is the ability to use wisdom to formulate abstract thought, i. e. invention.

                The fisherman put his intelligence to use to develop the net. His wisdom could have come from abstract ideas put into practice. Anyway in Meno the question of wisdom and knowledge is intensely discussed.

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                  DarkWizard10 months ago

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                  CHAM,

                  Your fisherman analogy makes a good point, as does your specifics on wisdom coming from formulated abstract ideas, but I agree with WikiMap that they are circular. Wisdom is hard to come by without a catalyst (i.e. reading, observing, or experiencing). An epiphany is usually a culmination of events and/or formulated ideas that could be as you say "[an] invention." But, it could also be a higher understganding of the psychological workings of the mind or of the physical world around us. Still, separating the two seems nearly as impossible as determining whether nature v. nuture is the dominate factor in an individual's development.

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                    CHAM9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                    Wizard. I have to agree with that.

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                  orndorffter10 months ago

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                  I would have to go with wisdom. The skill of wisdom in gained by knowledge. Wisdom is personal knowledge, we experience what we have learned through life. You sat down with an older person they have the wisdom and the knowledge because during their life from experience,they have gained a great deal of wisdom and knowledge.I beleave wisdom is something to be proud of.

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                    cowboygrandpa10 months ago

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                    I would just say this.

                    We are supposed to have wise men leading us. But many do not have experience in war. Therefore they lack the wisdom that war teaches.

                    Experience brings about an understanding that pure knowledge lacks.

                    Many business executives never had to do a hard days work of honest labor. They lack the wisdom and the experience of knowing the value of an honest days pay for an honest days work brings to the payor and the payee.

                    Experience in my eyes makes a world of difference over wisdom without the knowledge of gain through trial and error.

                    Just my take on it.

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                      willottica9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                      And I would tend to disagree completely... maybe because my experience is limited.

                      Experience can lead to understanding about the things experienced, and to wisdom through that understanding. But there is no guarantee that it will. Many people will leave a bad situation no wiser, just bitter about it.

                      Wisdom is the application of knowledge and or experience. It is the thing that we expect one to attain through experience, though it can be achieved in other ways.

                      A business executive who has never done a day of hard labor may not have that experience, but he might be wise enough (through attempting for an hour) that he knows it IS hard work, and deserves to be compensated appropriately. He may never have gotten grossly underpaid, but is wise enough to know that when someone is grossly underpaid, they will not be happy, and they will not be as productive, and quality will suffer.

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                        cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                        willotica:

                        Nice sentiment.

                        But I sure haven't seen it in my life time.
                        It has been my experience that the executives have the attitude of "if they don't like it, we'll just hire someone else."

                        If you have a different experience please share it.

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                          willottica9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                          Then you probably wouldn't call them "wise," would you? Though many will have a lot of "experience."

                          The entire thread made me think of the election campaign, where Obama seemed wise, though McCain claimed experience. Sure, he'd been through a lot of ****. He'd been tortured as a POW, involved in wars... but did it make him wiser? He still seemed willing to cave to the necessity of torture; he still seemed more than happy to continue the American tradition of Aggressive foreign interference.

                          In that example, I'll keep the wisdom candidate over the experience candidate any day of the week.

                          And you have people working in a business for years who just keep on trucking, then someone new comes in and, lacking experience, tries something new resulting in great improvements to the process. Sometimes experience actually works against you, because failed experiments don't necessarily mean the idea behind them was bad, just that there were details that could have been improved.

                          I would say Henry Ford was definitely an example of Wisdom. Did he have experience as a low-paid factory worker? From his bio, it seems like not much. Yet wisdom led him to pay his employees more than the going rate, and brought forth the success of his company. Experience might have told him that people would accept whatever pay he offered so they'd have jobs.

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                      cowboygrandpa10 months ago

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                      I would just say this.

                      We are supposed to have wise men leading us. But many do not have experience in war. Therefore they lack the wisdom that war teaches.

                      Experience brings about an understanding that pure knowledge lacks.

                      Many business executives never had to do a hard days work of honest labor. They lack the wisdom and the experience of knowing the value of an honest days pay for an honest days work brings to the payor and the payee.

                      Experience in my eyes makes a world of difference over wisdom without the knowledge of gain through trial and error.

                      Just my take on it.

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                        Charlson10 months ago

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                        Wisdom and/or experience can't be gained without "awareness". You must have the awareness to understand a problem and then use your intellect with the experience of others and yourself to make decisions that will effect your life.

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                          lvrofwolves9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                          If you have wisdom without the experience....I don't know....it sorta seems that wisdom is not as good as it could be without the actual experience. Sorta like reading all about someone without actually ever meeting them, knowing all about a sport without ever actually playing it, knowing all about a place but never actually going there. So I may feel wisdom without experience isn't complete.
                          Experiences can create wisdom, but does wisdom create experiences as much? maybe but it's then different.

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                            Spadecaller9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                            Most of us are slaves to bad experiences, so the value of experience is questionable. How rare and wise it is for a person to learn and apply the lessons of their experiences. If the tragedy of history repeats itself, what is the wisdom behind experience?

                            "The value of experience is usually overrated, usually by old men who nod wisely and speak stupidly.

                            In truth experience teaches thoroughly yet her course of instruction devours men's years so the value of her lessons diminishes with the time necessary to acquire her special wisdom. The end finds it wasted on dead men.

                            Furthermore, experience is comparable to fashion; an action that proved successful today will be unworkable and impractical tomorrow. Only principles endure."

                            -- Og Mandino

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                              Newperson9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                              I think a combination of both is what is needed.

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                                CaptainLucid9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                I would have to rank in a heirarchy experience, bettered by wisdom, and finally intelligence. Experience tells you not to make the same mistake again. Wisdom is knowing someone else already made the mistake so there is no point in you making the same mistake. Intelligence is when no one has made the mistake yet but every indication is that it will be a huge mistake so you don't risk it for ego.

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                                  CRYMTYPHON9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                  In online games (such as WOW and Everquest ) a character is
                                  assigned Wisdom points and Experience Levels.

                                  As you go up in Experience levels, your wisdom increases.

                                  I have absolutely no point or conclusion to draw about this; I just wanted to point it out thank you I will go away now.

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                                    DarkWizard9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                    Experience is being told the oven is hot, but still needing to touch it to make sure. Wisdom is not knowing whether the oven is hot and being able to figure it out without getting burned.

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                                    truthfirst9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                    "Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered." Proverbs 28:26

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                                      CRYMTYPHON9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                      A clear statement.
                                      You must not trust in my own mind.

                                      But, - how do you logicaly decide not to trust in your own mind?

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                                        truthfirst9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                        In short, the character of a fool is the one trust in his own experience, wisdom and counsel, he trusts in his own strength and abilities, he trusts in his own merit and righteousness. The character of a wise man is one who trusts in the Lord, and follows His guidance.

                                        “This is what the Lord says: The wise must not boast in his wisdom; the mighty must not boast in his might; the rich must not boast in his riches. But the one who boasts should boast in this, that he understands and knows Me— that I am the Lord, showing faithful love, justice, and righteousness on the earth, for I delight in these things. ?This is? the Lord’s declaration.” Jeremiah 9:23-24

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                                          CRYMTYPHON9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                          You are presenting an argument for reason to decide, 'reason should not be trusted'.

                                          Is that reasonable?

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                                      CHAM9 months, 4 weeks ago

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                                      I have to go with the CaptainLucid comment. There is a hierarchy and each of the three have their value. And I agree with the captain, that the intelligence is most valuable. Interestingly, Intelligence we are either born with or not, just like being born tall, wisdom and experience are acquired assets.

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