Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule' »
Posted By Beau7890 10 months, 1 week ago in NewsTaking another step into the abortion debate, the Obama administration Friday will move to rescind a controversial rule that allows health-care workers to deny abortion counseling or other family-planning services if doing so would violate their moral beliefs, according to administration officials.
The rollback of the "conscience rule" comes just two months after the Bush administration announced it last year in one of its final policy initiatives.
Seven states, including California , Illinois and Connecticut , as well as two family planning groups, have filed suits challenging the Bush rule, arguing it sacrifices the health of patients to religious beliefs of medical providers.
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jordan1110 months, 1 week ago
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Damn it, I don't want to pay the salaries of PUBLIC employees who use their religious beliefs to disrupt a public workplace. They can go work in private clinics if public clinics don't meet their 'values.' They're there to do a job, not disrupt the LEGAL process of family planning!
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epiphannyy10 months, 1 week ago
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Bottom line...no one is forcing these people to work in this field (an occupation where the Hippocratic oath applies, by the way), so no one is "forcing" them to do these things they want to refuse. What occupation exists anywhere that the employee is allowed to pick and choose what they will or won't do within their job description? These people just use this issue to try and force their religious beliefs onto the rest of the world. When, if they REALLY had a problem with the job they are required to do, they would find a new place to work.
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No one cares if these people want to be the most fanatical religious zealots on the planet....just let them do it on their OWN time or find employment within their own little circle. It's not exactly rocket science, here.
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k9kssr10 months, 1 week ago
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There are many, many in the medical field who will NOT continue in that field if forced to participate in abortions.
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I will gladly and willingly give up my $70,000 a year job as an RN and flip burgers at McDonald's if it comes to that.
There is already a shortage of nurses in certain areas, and to some extent doctors too. We have to live with ourselves at the end of the day and to force someone to do something that goes against their conscience will drive experienced people out of the profession and others will not consider entering the field.
So.....even if you do get universal health care, plan on giving yourself your own injections, starting your own IV's, emptying your own bedpans, and placing your own urinary catheters.
Why not let those who want to work in "family planning facilities" do so, and leave those who don't alone.-
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Dionys10 months, 1 week ago
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"There are many, many in the medical field who will NOT continue in that field if forced to participate in abortions."
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They're not participating in abortions. They're giving a woman all her legal, medical options and knowledge about procedures to protect her health.
"to force someone to do something that goes against their conscience will drive experienced people out of the profession"
If they don't want to offer people the full range and understanding of legal, medical options, they shouldn't be a doctor or nurse. Or they should go work at a private religious hospital that makes its dogmatic assertion of denying people the full array of medical healthcare known to the public.
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k9kssr10 months, 1 week ago
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How is this for "knowledge of procedures"? My state has enacted legislation that prior to an abortion the woman receives education on the development of the fetus through ultrasound....it also helps with establishment of gestational age. The authors of that bill are now being sued by an abortion group.
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Make up your mind....."all legal, medical options and knowledge about procedures to protect her health" or not. How 'bout they just hear what they want to hear?
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Beau789010 months, 1 week ago
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That bill gives the person seeking advice more information to make her own decision as opposed to less.
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There may be reasons to argue against it, but it's a different situation from withholding treatment or discussion of treatment, which is what this article is about. -
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Natureboy10 months, 1 week ago
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"Fetuses are tiny babies."
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Makes as much sense as saying babies are huge fetuses. Either statement is crap.
Howzabout cracking open a dictionary. Babies have traversed the birth canal, or have otherwise been delivered from the womb. Fetuses, not so much.
Definition of Fetus. Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth.
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k9kssr10 months, 1 week ago
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"Babies have transversed the birth canal".
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According to your definition, then abortion would be permissable at 36 weeks? I guess when you see a woman at 8 months pregnant you don't ask about her "baby"....you ask about her blob of tissue?
I remember when Obama said it was "above his pay-grade" to determine when life began. Apparently, it isn't above his paygrade to determine when and if it ends.
If only this issue could be resolved by looking in a dictionary, howza about that?-
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Tangent00110 months, 1 week ago
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"According to your definition, then abortion would be permissable at 36 weeks?"
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I don't that is the intent of Natureboy's statement. Medical science recognizes a point of viability after which there is great reluctance to terminate a pregnancy. The anti-choice movement would like the public to believe that late-term abortions are frequent and performed on a whim. This couldn't be further from the truth. Women who have carried their developing child through the end of the 2nd trimester generally want to carry to term. Usually, there is some serious developmental defect or condition that places the mother's life or long-term health in serious jeopardy. -
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Dionys10 months, 1 week ago
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"I remember when Obama said it was "above his pay-grade" to determine when life began. Apparently, it isn't above his paygrade to determine when and if it ends."
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What he was saying is that he cannot say when life begins. Just like no one else can say that. Saying that life begins at conception is religious dogma. A woman grows a new organ to sustain the fetus in her uterus while it matures. The fetus cannot survive outside the woman's uterus or without the woman's organ, specifically grown to sustain the fetus until it develops completely to a point where it can sustain itself.
Do you know at what point 'life' begins? It seems somewhat arrogant to say you do, without a doubt, and then force that opinion on someone else's body. If you don't like abortions, don't have one, but don't force your religious belief onto someone else's choices.
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danyelz2410 months, 1 week ago
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In the public sector you should do what is best for you client, not what is best for you.
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Why if you felt it was morally wrong would you have even chosen to go into this place to work.
People have refused to give birth control, Not just the personal choice of a woman. Until you have walked in that womans shoes do not judge. God is the only one Who has the right to judge. Until you are perfect and if we were Jesus would not have had to die. Then do not pass judgement.
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