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Posted By idyll 10 months ago in NewsThis kid risked his life while working at McDonald's to help a customer and was shot multiple times. McDonald's then decides that the shooting did not occur while he was performning his McDonald's duties so denies him workers comp - he was not asking for more - and hospital costs.
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Dionys10 months ago
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Ethically and morally I support this person.
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However legally, McDonalds has a policy regarding employees and what they are supposed to do in these situations. If he violated their policy then he deserves full well the penalty for violating their policy. -
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lvrofwolves10 months ago
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So let me get this straight, it's McDonald's policy that their employees are not to help McDonald's CUSTOMERS, in their OWN store????? wow!
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In this case I hope he sues for way more then just his medical costs.
what does this tell the other employees in the future?? no wonder customer service SUCKS!! they obviously don't value their employees or their customers.
I'd like to read the wording in that policy, I understand most are told if they're robbed, to hand the $ over etc...but not to help ANYONE if they are being assaulted right then and there? carry on, ring those orders up, look the other way, get those orders out......they should be ashamed.-
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Dionys10 months ago
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"So let me get this straight, it's McDonald's policy that their employees are not to help McDonald's CUSTOMERS, in their OWN store?"
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This is the policy of most places, corporate or not. We have police for a reason. If you want to violate your work policy to help someone else, that's great ethically and morally -- but don't expect the workplace which specifically told you to not do something to support you when you do it.-
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lvrofwolves10 months ago
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Like I said, I'd like to read the wording on that policy.
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If he did in fact break a policy rule, they could fire him.
He was representing McDonald's, now we know what they represent, regardless of the situation, follow our rules, and better believe we are going to cover our as s financially in every situation, regardless if your act is heroic or not.
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BravoSierra10 months ago
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I disagree. Indeed, I think you cannot consider yourself anything but hypocritical to use the cross as your icon and support a 'legalistic' position.
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Act Utilitarianism based upon rules that are for the good of the many take precedence over rules that protect the interests of the corporation. The Golden Rule clearly takes precedence. And, there is a long tradition of morality in the US against McDonald's policy.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Jesus Christ
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
In the first case, you have an order from your God to intervene in a case like this and NOT push responsibility on to the police.
In the second case, McDonald's policy and it's insurance company's policy are contrary to the social contract that is the United States and is thus invalid ab initio.
As a former soldier, I can only tell you I despise people who say, "that's what we have police for", or "that's what we have soldiers for", etc.
If all good men acted each time they saw a wrong being committed, there would not be the need for a single Medal of Honor to be given out. Because everyone in the room would have taken the perpetrator down with every weapon at their disposal.
Personally, I'll have stuck a butcher knife through is throat from about 40 feet...the military taught me to do it to defend my nation in the abstract on foreign shore...I think I'm clearly in the right to do in in the concrete immediate and individual instance of protecting a citizen.
Citizens must expect all corporations operating under US charter to establish policies that are legally consistent with the social contract of our society. Otherwise, the corporate policy is the moral and logical equivalent of an illegal order...and following it is wrong. -
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aceofspades110 months ago
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Paul Harvey's tagline was & now here's the rest of the story--
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McDonalds itself did not refuse compensation - it was it's insurance co. that is refusing to pay.
In an on camera interview the franchise holder said if the ins. co. didn't pay - he would cover it out of his own pocket.
McDonalds is not a shining example of corporate charity to its employees - but in this case there are other circumstances.-
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lvrofwolves10 months ago
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more of the story here http://www.workerscompinsider.com/archives/001009....
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during orientation they were told that in the event of a robbery or anything like a robbery . . . not to be a hero and simply call 911
How is this a robbery or anything like a robbery?
oh and it was McDonald's own risk management that denied the claim.-
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aceofspades110 months ago
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What bothers me about this thread is how so many of you are acting like Limburger's ditto-airheads. You hear an unverified story & you jump on the wagon because of your own preconception of the situation - I thought we were above that.
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snowman36r10 months ago
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Absolutly ace you posted exactly what I was going to.......McDonalds are independently owned. (for those of you that don't know how busines's work, McDonads is a franchise company.) McDonalds and the franchise owners do not accept or deny claims they have no say what so ever in workmans comp cases it's all handled by the insurance company that issues the coverage for the owner. If the owner has business insurance on top of the workmans comp. insurance the best thing to do is to let the employee sue the workmans comp carrier, then the bussiness owner, that way one of the 2 insurances will cover the bill.
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"So let me get this straight, it's McDonald's policy that their employees are not to help McDonald's CUSTOMERS, in their OWN store????? wow!"
Again not McDonalds policy, its up to the owner of that McDonalds, and yes the majority of business's I've worked at have a policy that you call the police. Why? "Because you never know when some idiots got a gun."-
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BravoSierra10 months ago
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It doesn't matter...the policies, whether Mcdonald's, the insurance companies or the store owners are contrary to the social contract that our nation is built upon.
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You all play at "legalese" and legalistic games. It serves your self-preserving bias to not prepare...to make someone else responsible for fulfilling your part of the social contract for you.
You're a better man than I am Gunga Din...and this boy is a better man than each of you.
Next time your family is out and about and there's a bad man around...pray there are men like this boy around.-
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snowman36r10 months ago
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Thats all fine, If moraly and ethicly the employee feels the need to play hero and then gets shot thats up to him he made a choice, that does not obligate the insurance to pay the medical bills he was paid to flip burgers not play bouncer.
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Beau789010 months ago
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Then I guess we should all stop patronizing McDonald's. We have no reasonable expectation that we're safe inside their restaurants.
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Face it--whether the insurer is legally within its rights to deny the claim, it's simply bad policy and bad public relations for the McDonald's Corporation not to pay the kid's claim.
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aceofspades110 months ago
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Bravo Sierra - something is not working between your eyes & you smarmy attitude about virtue- - as previously posted - the franchise owner said he will pay out of his own pocket if terms cannot be met with the insurance co.
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Furthermore you don't know how anyone you've adressed would react in a simular situation-- have you ever been in one ? or does everything happen below your soapbox?
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lvrofwolves10 months ago
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Franchise owners have to go by McDonald's guidelines, they can't do what ever they want just because they own that particular franchise.
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Absolutely call 9/11 first and foremost, always, everywhere.
Does anyone HERE know what this particular franchise's policy is? seems to me, if workers comp can deny it, it's all their franchises.
Another thing, IF the owner said (and I'm not saying he didn't) he'd cover it if worker's comp didn't, don't you think McDonald's PR would be all over that? I mean McDonald's sure doesn't want to look bad.
I'm not saying anything as fact, just replying on the info given and how I feel about it, just like EVERYONE else here, unless you are corporate McDs or the owner himself.
Workers comp does try to deny as many claims as they possibly can, I just think if it's true about the owner paying if WC didn't, they should have said that instantly,(for McDs sake) then there wouldn't be all this who ha!
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lvrofwolves10 months ago
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well kudos to you aceofspades1 for getting the rest of the story. I don't know how much of a preconception there was, people commented on the information given,like in any situation, and if that was all, then I'm sure most if not all stick by their comments.
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fsev4110 months ago
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Unfortunately, morality and ethics are sadly missing in much of the business world. The only thing that counts is legality. I see the young man's actions as being morally and ethically correct, helping another human being in need. Legally he may not be entitled to compensation but what he did reflects well on McDonalds and ethically I feel that they should step up to the plate and do the ethically correct thing. If an insurance company is involved I think McDs would have the leverage to offer a you pay half and we'll pay half and everybody would come out looking good.
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We often see a similar situation in some political situations where a decision is made on what is legal and not necessarily what is right. The opposing side will always scream about that. -
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dragon4sho6 months ago
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From what I have seen first hand Mcdonald's have a long time practice of not paying workers comp I dont know how thay have gotten away with this for so long but it needs to stop NOW!!!! thay make too much money yearly to not make a better work envirnment for workders and to pay worker's comp to thoese thay have treated unfairly in the first place especisally in LA PLACE,LA managers that don't know how to talk to crew members.
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