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Posted By israeligirl1 9 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsMany Muslims seem to believe that it is OK to teach hatred and violence in the name of their religion, and at the same time expect the world to respect Islam as "a religion of peace, love and harmony." A recent film, "Fitna", by Dutch parliament member Geert Wilders has shed light on this issue.
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, the same certainly applies to zionists.
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Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
Special Report
Israeli Textbooks and Children’s Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs
Israeli school textbooks as well as children’s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks.
Professor Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University studied 124 elementary, middle- and high school textbooks on grammar and Hebrew literature, history, geography and citizenship....
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0999/9909019.html-
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most_reasonable9 months, 1 week ago
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No Hyperbola.
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It applies to Muslims, and the hatred toward Palestinians and are the outcome of reading and watching the news.
Can't recall the last time a jew boarded a plane and tried to bring it down.
Or covered their children with explosives; or had their women raped to shame them into being suicide bombers;
or beheading women for trying to sustain their families.
The ACTIONS OF THE Palestinains and Arabs portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive.
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Actually this article is mainly zionist propaganda and the author (Tawfiq Hamid) has become quite wealthy catering to the zionist propagandists.
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To see how this propaganda works, here is a description of Hamid from an American jew. Don't let the zionist propaganda artists direct your thinking about zionist crimes against humanity.
Tawfiq Hamid, “Islamic Reformer” Who Hates Islam
Looks like the evangelical Arab haters have another Muslim convert they’re displaying on their wall like those animal heads you see in hunters’ trophy rooms. He’s Tawfiq Hamid. The reason I know about this is that after exposing another such former Muslim turned Islam-hater, Walid Shoebat, I seem to have gotten on his mailing list. I’m only too happy to receive their mailings and let my readers know about the numbskull antics of such pro-Israel evangelicals. Their latest prize is Dr. Hamid who they’re parading before the American public for the first time in an appearance at Georgetown University next month....
... Chuck Johnson, Roger Simon and the Pajamas Media crowd are going to be wetting their pants over this guy if he isn’t plastered all over their blogs already. And Aussie Dave can’t be far behind....
.... One question you should keep in mind as you read this is–how can a man who grew up secular with little or no experience of spirituality until he was 16 (note he doesn’t even say that he practiced Islam after age 16) and who later rejected Islam in medical school claim to know so much about Islam? What did he learn and when did he learn it?...
.... There’s a willful fallacy in Hamid’s argument. Notice he says that no Muslim demonstrated against bin Laden after 9/11. Yet when Barry points out to him Muslims who have done so after the London terror attack, he switches tactics accusing them of being two-faced and not to be trusted. And Hamid is wrong when he claims Muslims will never say bin Laden is an infidel. AmericanMuslim.org lists over 100 separate links to Muslim religious and communal statements denouncing bin Laden and Muslim terror. There are also numerous links to fatwas issued by individual imams. So if you can’t believe him about this what else can’t you believe him about?...
...If Hamid is to be believed (and I see no reason why he should be) he has no religion, yet he’s willing to be trotted around the country like a show pony by Christian Zionist groups. You’d have to say something mighty strange is going on. Either the guy converted to evangelical Christianity and is lying; or he likes the money he’s being offered by them....
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StevieGee9 months, 2 weeks ago
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vettenut9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Gee, Stevie:
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You're right, the same COULD be said about Jews and Christians.
However, the question really is "would it be true today?????"
Given that there are "whacked-out extremists" of many persuasions who paste various religious labels on their "ideas" that are not reflective of that "label's" doctrine..... Much has been/is done "in the name" of something, while not at all in harmony with that "something."
If you can find me significant evidence that Jewish and Christian universities and seminaries teach that human beings not of their persuasion should be killed, that those not of their persuasion are equivalent in worth to "pigs and monkeys," that it is effective to force religious "conversions" by military force, and that it is acceptable to use suicide bombers to kill huge numbers of innocents for the sake of their cause(s), then I will concede that your statement has some merit.
Show me evidence, Stevie, not just some ad hominem "smart crack" or recitation of what some twisted doctrine condoned 750 years ago....... If you can, many will give ear to your response.
But, until you can, here's my statement:
Your comment, StevieGee, is a gratuitous CHEAP SHOT, and is patently FALSE!!!!!!-
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, let's hear from some Chief Rabbis in Israel.
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Katrina 'punishment for Gaza pullout'
A prominent Israeli rabbi says Hurricane Katrina is God's punishment for US President George W Bush's role in forcing Israelis to leave the Gaza Strip.
"It was God's retribution. God does not shortchange anyone," Ovadia Yosef, a former chief rabbi of Israel, said during his weekly sermon on Tuesday.....
... Yosef used a derogatory word, Kushim to describe African Americans, pointing out that they were the principal victims, because they didn’t study the Torah.
The word Kushim in the Bible refers to an ancient African people but in vernacular Hebrew is derogatory and nothing less than racist. It's akin to ******. ...
... Yosef, 85, is no stranger to controversy.
He has called on the Israeli army to "joyfully" annihilate Arabs with rockets, and he caused an uproar when he stated that the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust died because they were reincarnations of sinners in previous generations.
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Rabbi told Israeli troops to show no mercy in Gaza
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An Israeli human rights group on Monday called for the immediate dismissal of the chief military rabbi, claiming he gave soldiers fighting in Gaza pamphlets urging them to show no mercy.
...The rights group said the pamphlet contains "degrading and belittling messages that border on incitement and racism against the Palestinian people. These messages can be interpreted as a call to act outside of the confines of international laws of war."
The Haaretz newspaper reported on Monday that far right-wing groups also gave out pamphlets bearing racist messages on military bases.
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vettenut9 months, 1 week ago
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Just as I thought.........
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No symphony of doctrinal statements from Christian and Jewish theologians, no universities or practitioners of either faith meeting the few conditions I laid out.........
Just a very few, very isolated voices, stating their personal thoughts, which are definitely "outside the mainstream" of Christian and Jewish thought. Can anyone say "wacko's???"
Gee, Stevie, I guess your statement is proving false..........
It WAS, after all is said & done, a gratuitous CHEAP SHOT!!!!!!!
NLOL!!!
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Endoscopy9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Stevie is completely blowing in the wind. That statement is completely inaccurate.
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The Quran and hadith are the basic religious texts of Islam. Along with that the oldest biography of Muhammad "Sirat Rusal Allay" by Ibn Ishaq these portray the words and life of Muhammad. There is the concept in Islam and spoken about three times in the Quran of abrogation. That means that a later spoken verse in the Quran can replace a earlier spoken verse. The earlier verses that spoke abou peace etc. were abrogated by the later verses that teach fighting and subduing any place not Islamic. There is the sword verse for example.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Only stop if they convert to Islam to protect their lives.
There is nothing like that in Christianity or Judaism foolish one. Christians are told by Jesus to turn the other cheek etc. There were commands that some like to point out in the old testament but those were against a specific group of people at a specific point in time. The Islamic verses have no restrictions like that. Where in Christianity or Judaism do you have honor killings? For example that woman that was beheaded by her husband in the US. Where in Christianity do you have suicide bombers?
The definition of a martyr in Christianity is a person who dies rather than deny their religion. In Islam a martyr is one who dies while killing or attempting to kill enemies of Islam. Keep in mind that in many places it is Muslim killing Muslim this way. Do you see a basic difference there foolish one.-
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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What do you think about the Talmud endo? Here is an israeli author.
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Maidens and Warriors
... The Prophet’s love of his youngest wife, Aisha, causes much consternation in America; almost fifty years after the US Supreme Court removed the ban on that ode to underage love, Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita. For the prudish accusers, it does not matter that Muhammad, peace upon him, was in love with the girl, as she with him. They know better what is good for everybody. If the Prophet had chosen a boy of Aisha’s age, one feels that fear of homophobia would soften the blows. But the Prophet was a man of orthodox tastes.
A modest Talmudic scholar from Jaffa, I would rise to his defence in the name of our Jewish tradition. Far from being a sinner, Muhammad (peace be upon him) acted according to the letter and the spirit of our holy faith. Biblical Jacob fell in love with Rachel when she was only seven, and brought forth from her a line of saints including Mary, mother of Christ.
The Talmud stipulates the permitted age of marriage for girls at three years and one day. It brings us a dialogue worthy of Boccaccio that took place in Sepphoris of Galilee. A Roman princess Justine, daughter of Emperor Septimius Severus son of Anthony asked Rabbi Judah the Prince, the greatest spiritual and legal authority of Jews in the post-Biblical period, what is the permitted age of marriage and cohabitation.
- Three years and one day, - replied the Rabbi.
- What is the age for childbearing, - persisted the Princess.
- Nine years [i], - he replied.
- I was married at six, and gave birth at seven, - she reflected with great regret, - so I wasted in vain three excellent years of my young life.
Muhammad’s wife, Aisha, wasted six years of her young life, as she was wed at nine. Thus, the Prophet demonstrated great prudence, also in full accordance with our Jewish teachings. Our holy Rabbis permitted very early marriage, but they were not absolutely sure that three-year old girls are sufficiently ripe....
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/maidens.htm-
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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The Talmud is different than the Old testament especially the Torah. Get real. The Talmud is written by rabbis and look at as somewhat edifying but NEVER at the level of the Scriptures. The same way that Christian writings about the Bible have never been taken to replace what is in the Bible.
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Poor hyper the Muslim does not understand that difference. The hadith in Islam has a much higher place in Islam than the Talmud does in Judaism. The same with Christian writing outside the Bible. The other writings outside the scriptures are not sacred or thought to be Gods word. Those writings always have to be secondary to the scriptures and to be taken as just probably good writings.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Only stop if they convert to Islam to protect their lives.
There is nothing like that in Christianity or Judaism foolish one. Christians are told by Jesus to turn the other cheek etc."
Are you kidding?
Kill Followers of Other Religions:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Death to Followers of Other Religions
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Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) -
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There you go taking commands against Israelis who disobey God by committing idolatry there and try to turn that into going out into the rest of the world and killing anybody that does not convert. Are you so blind that you can't understand the difference? God called Israel to be a set apart nation of people who worshiped God. The problem the Israelis had was they did not do what God commanded. Obviously you never read the Bible to see what really happened. You only go and cherry pick some verses that sound horrid to you. Read the history of Israel in the Bible and then show where these things were done.
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Find the verses outside commands given to Joshua that tell Israel to kill outsiders. Not there. In fact what God told them was they were supposed to be a witness to the rest of the world by demonstrating Gods love. The Temple had the outer court designated the court of gentiles.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"There you go taking commands against Israelis who disobey God by committing idolatry there and try to turn that into going out into the rest of the world and killing anybody that does not convert. Are you so blind that you can't understand the difference? "
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So you're an expert on the Bible now? And somehow an expert on the Torah along with the Qu'ran? So you can assert (or excuse) that the OT doesn't apply and somehow a short piece of the Qu'ran taken out of context means exactly what you say?
Please. You're ridiculous.
" the Israelis"
They weren't 'Israelis.' They were Judeans.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Hey, Dionyis, I mean, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet defend Islam like I'm defending my own life", why don't you find something from the Bible that tells Christians and Jews it's ok to break peace treaties after holy months (Quran 9:1-5), and, to kill those who DON'T believe like them in THIS day and age like the Quran STILL seems to be doing? You just quote passages in the Bible that were for THAT time. The Quran, on the other hand, STILL sounds like the ONLY thing to keep you, I mean, a confessed Muhammadan from breaking peace treaties and killing people, is if they are believers (Muhammadan).
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"The definition of a martyr in Christianity is a person who dies rather than deny their religion. In Islam a martyr is one who dies while killing or attempting to kill enemies of Islam."
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The definition for both is dying to protect your religion. The vast majority of Imams and Muslims understand that killing someone is against the basic tenets of Islam as it is in Christianity and that suicide bombers and such aren't martyrs, but are violating the basic understandings and teachings of Islam.-
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Al taqiyya. The nice verses spoken in the Meccan time were abrogated by the verses spoken in the Yathrib (Medina) time. You ignore what I said about a Christian martyr. Many Christians were killed in the Roman stadiums and were given the opportunity to bow to Caesar or a statue of Caesar to save their lives. That act would say that they acknowledged that Caesar was a god. They refused and were killed for the enjoyment of the population. Tell me how that protects the religion.
I forget which battle but the battle was not going good for the Muslims. To encourage his troops Muhammad told them if they died in battle they would go straight to Paradise. At least one of them heard that and took off his armor and then went into the hardest part and fought like a wild animal until he was killed. Muslim martyrs were created that day. Today it is the suicide bombers. Explain to me how that protects Islam when a suicide bomber goes into a crowd of Muslims and blows himself up. Muslims blowing themselves up as Martyrs by killing other Muslims. That goes on in Iraq. How does this defend Islam?
Oh foolish one, I Have been reading up on Islam. I have read much of the Quran, hadith, and portions of "Sirat Rusal Allah". I have read books about Islam written by scholars that studied it both from a Christian perspective and a Muslim perspective and later became apostate. There are web sites that argue back and forth about the tenents of Islam.
"The vast majority of Imams and Muslims understand that killing someone is against the basic tenets of Islam " I find this lie very silly. I have read the charters of a couple of Terrorist organizations. They back up their beliefs with the Quran, hadith and writings of several of these Imams and other Islamic scholars. Explain what happens to a person who becomes apostate in a Muslim country and makes that known to his family. Something about killing them right. The officials look the other way and the father is supposed to be the one and if he fails the other male relatives will do the deed. I have read that verse that tells Muslims to only kill armed men in battle. However we have the witness of the Muslims doing honor killings, killing apostates, suicide bombers, 9/11 martyrs, killing Muslims of another branch of Islam, Killing Christians and Jews (Turkey as WW1 was starting up sent 1 million Christians to their deaths by marching them off into a waste land nearby and killing them there and later starting in 1948 the Muslims tried to kill all of the Jews in Muslim areas), etc. etc. etc. Seems like that sword verse rules.-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"Al taqiyya."
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Yep. More Endo al-taqiyya.
"reading up on Islam"
Reading anti-Islamic web sites that simply tell you what you want to hear isn't reading up on Islam, it's falling prey to people who want to play on your fears.
"I have read that verse that tells Muslims to only kill armed men in battle. However we have the witness of the Muslims doing honor killings, killing apostates, suicide bombers, 9/11 martyrs, killing Muslims of another branch of Islam, Killing Christians and Jews "
I have read that verse that tells Christians to love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, that tells us Blessed are the Poor, Blessed are the Peacemakers. However we have the witness of Christians doing honor killings, killing apostates, murdering others in any number of horrific ways, Iraq martyrs, killing other Christians, killing Jews, killing Muslims.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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"However we have the witness of Christians doing honor killings, "
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Mut: Really? How can they be Christians then? WHERE does it say in the Bible to kill your daughter who has been raped to defend your honor? Did you know that in Quran 18:74-81 a traveling companion of Musa, I mean, Moses, kills a youth just by FEARING that he'd grow up to disappoint his Muhammadan parents and "grieve Allah"? Quran 18:74-81 opens up the door to "Honor" killings.
"killing apostates, murdering others in any number of horrific ways,"
Mut: WHERE is a Christian in THIS dispensation of Grace, supposed to do that?
" Iraq martyrs"
Mut: Iraq martyrs? You mean those who were blown up by the tens of thousands by Sunnis?
", killing other Christians, killing Jews, killing Muslims."
Mut: Gee, I WONDER what part of the Bible they were following for THIS Dispensation where they are to kill others and go against "love your enemies", and "do good for those who despitefully use you"? I wonder.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Yawn.
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"Gee, I WONDER what part of the Bible they were following for THIS Dispensation where they are to kill others and go against "love your enemies", and "do good for those who despitefully use you"? I wonder."
I wonder too.
But if you're going to say that people who don't act according to the Bible aren't really Christians, then you have to do the same for the Muslim extremists -- who (according to the 95% of Muslims -- moderates) aren't following the Qu'ran.
But then you wouldn't be able to rant like a manical chicken.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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My theory for why not all Muhammadans are at our throats for not putting our patootis in the air, is either they are just Muhammadan in name only (so they don't get the same thing dished out on them in 9:1-5 and 29), or, they are biding their time, waiting for the time when they are so strong in number, they don't have to worry about getting virgins due to pagan retaliation. I have a feeling MOST people are Muhammadan AREN'T Muhammadan because they truly believe the sun has to ask permission to RISE again, but, so they don't have to pay the jizyah, or, be treated like cows that "can be slaughtered". I mean, why in the HELL would ANYone want to pull out a prayer rug and stick their patooti up in the air five times a day, EVERY day, for the rest of their life? They do it out of intimidation and develope a "Stockholm Syndrome" attitude to survive, if you ask me.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Not so, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, defend Islam like I'm defending my very life". If you study Islam, it sounds like the ONLY way a Muhammadan can get to what sounds like a slothful brothel in the sky, is to die trying to kill for Allah.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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How have I lied? Are you brave enough to go to your web browser and type into it, "fighting in the cause of Allah"? Do you DARE type into your web browser "fighting in the cause of Allah"? For anyone interested, it opens the door up to show you that the only one who is lying here, is the one who is accusing me of it, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, defend Islam like I'm defending my deart life".
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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And if I present surah and verse, like say: Qur'an 4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
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Qur'an 4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an 4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an 4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an 4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an 8:5 "Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting)." you'd just say they were taken out of context, TRUE O "I'm not a Muslim, yet defend terrorist Islam like someone defending his incredibly dear life"?
ike say,
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"There is the concept in Islam and spoken about three times in the Quran of abrogation. That means that a later spoken verse in the Quran can replace a earlier spoken verse. The earlier verses that spoke abou peace etc. were abrogated by the later verses that teach fighting and subduing any place not Islamic. There is the sword verse for example."
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The idea of abrogation is in Christianity too. But as in Islam, there are differing opinions as to whether it holds true or not. The easiest example regards purity issues in Leviticus. Some say Christ's saying that " It's not what comes into the mouth that defiles, but what goes out of one's mouth" reverse those food purity laws and abrogate them to the Toranic Jews, others say that when Christ said he came not to change.. but to fullfill.. et cetera say therefore ALL should follow Levitican purity laws.-
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There is no such thing as abrogation in the Bible. Show the verse that says there is. There were different rules for different people and times. And you try to turn this into abrogation. The Jews are under Kosher rules but not the Gentiles. Go back to the drawing board and try again.
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One concept of Christianity is that in the old Testament there were sacrifices to take away the sins of the people. Christ became the sacrifice for everyone and the yearly sacrifices could be done away with. That does not abrogate the old testament sacrifices but instead fulfills them.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"There is no such thing as abrogation in the Bible. Show the verse that says there is. There were different rules for different people and times. And you try to turn this into abrogation. The Jews are under Kosher rules but not the Gentiles. Go back to the drawing board and try again."
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Really? How did that happen? Last time I checked, Jesus was (and is) a Jew. So how did the rules regarding purity issues and holiness codes change?
Oh? Abrogation?
"One concept of Christianity is that in the old Testament there were sacrifices to take away the sins of the people. Christ became the sacrifice for everyone and the yearly sacrifices could be done away with. That does not abrogate the old testament sacrifices but instead fulfills them."
Christ became a substitute for the sacrifices Jews made at Temple to ensure they were pure enough to commune with God? Interesting theory. So what was it Jesus did to abrogate (or "fulfill") all the holiness codes in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
And if he did, why do all the fundamentalist Christians turn to Leviticus and Deuteronomy for anti-homosexual (among other) rhetoric?
Here's a web site on abrogation in the Bible:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/...
Try googling "abrogation in the Bible" -- what it comes down to is that there are plenty of examples. Some Christians just say it's not abrogation because the word used is not "abrogation." But then the word used in Islam isn't abrogation, either. It's an arabic word.-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Where have you EVER once pointed out where I've errored, instead of just saying I've lied without evidence to back up your claim? You continue to accuse me of lying, but, like a good lying Muhammadan yourself, you never provide evidence. Well, I think most of us here know why, O "I'm not a Muhammadan, yet, defend terrorist Islam like one defending his dear life". :)
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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And, there is Quran 9:1, which allows Muhammadans to break peace treaties. Muhammadans will fight tooth and nail to say Quran 9:1-5 and 29 are all about pagans and Christians breaking peace treaties first, but, if you read carefully, sounds like the only peace treaty they broke is just being disbelievers (i.e. NOT doing five times a day, EVERY day, for the rest of their life of patooti in the air).
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"Muhammadans will fight tooth and nail to say Quran 9:1-5 and 29 are all about pagans and Christians breaking peace treaties first, but, if you read carefully, sounds like the only peace treaty they broke is just being disbelievers "
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They'll fight to say that because it's true.
But tell us how you're reading "carefully" in English, why don't you. When you don't know a lick of Arabic and therefore can't understand the subtlety of ANYTHING in the Qur'an.-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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So, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, defend Islam like I'm defending my dear life", I just "don't know the original Arabic"? Well, please provide the original Arabic, or, put how it's REALLY supposed to sound in English, NOT the way it sounds in all three famous English versions of the Quran (Shakir, Pickthal and Yusufali), that have it as licence for Muhammadans to break peace treaties just because pagans aren't Muhammadans. By the way, it is just sooooooo Muhammadan to say one doesn't know Arabic and "can't understand the Quran. Well, YOU put the way it's suppose to sound, ok? That way we can check it out on the net. :)
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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How come it needs commentary from a Muhammadan who could be lying, using taqqiya? The Quran, apparently, isn't WRITTEN very well IF it needs commentary to keep say, 45 British Islamic MEDICAL doctors from trying to destroy two Scottish airports in 07, huh? Those doctors should have written the commentaries first, HUH, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet defend Islam like a desperate man defending his dear life"?
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most_reasonable9 months, 1 week ago
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"The same could be said for Jews and Christians."
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IT COULD BE SAID.
BUT THEN IT WOULD BE WRONG.
New Data Confirms Old Data: Blaming Israel For Gaza's Medical Collapse Is A Vicious Lie
Hamas shut down Gaza's generators, rejected fuel shipments, shot at fuel trucks, refused to collect millions of liters from what Palestinians admitted were "full storage tanks on the Gaza side", and murdered Israelis who still tried to provide them with energy. Throughout this insanity Israel supplied extra electricity to Gaza even though, according to the UN, "it was not obliged to". Gaza's energy crisis? Israel's fault.
The food crisis? After taking over Gaza, Hamas started randomly rejecting Israeli food aid. But even the BBC admitted that Israel still supplied more than enough aid to ensure that "no one starves" in Gaza. So Hamas took to specifically blocking Israeli fruits and vegetables. A few months later, the UN followed the BBC and admitted that Gazans do get more than enough food - but they still condemned Israel for not supplying enough fruits and vegetables. Really.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"Rastafarianism?"
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They're too stoned.
"how bout buddhism?"
How about WWII, Zen, Shingon and Tendai?
Or the Tibetan insurgents when Maoists invaded Tibet?
Struggles in various Buddhist countries even today (including India where Hindus and Buddhists fight constantly)..
Don't romanticize. One of the tenets of Buddhism. The middle path.-
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NoWayMan9 months, 1 week ago
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tibetan insurgents when china invaded? how is that buddhist violence? that's people protecting their homes. nothing to do whatsoever with buddhism. they just happened to be buddhists. and they were invaded. sheesh.
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I mean, a bunch of buddhists kicked our asss in vietnam (proving you don't need god in a foxhole), but would that be considered buddhist violence against the west? only if you're crazy. even after we left and it devolved into chaos, the buddhist temple didn't condone that or push that.
sure, lots of struggles in buddhist countries today (myanmar is a good example) but again, none of that violence is instituionalized by the buddhist clergy or taught or pushed by the buddhist temples. thats the military.
India. I was there last year. lots of violence between muslims and hindus. a few bombs missed us by not more than a couple hundred meters. but no violence between buddhists and hindus. none. and I spent lots of time in bihar. maybe in sri lanka.
ww2 was 60 years ago. let's keep things within memory at least. cause if violence by a few groups of buddhists 60 years ago is all you have, that certainly doesn't prove your point. not by a long shot.
we're taliking INSTITUTIONAL here: a church that thinks its okay to bring a gun into a house of worship or that a crusade is a good thing. an entire sect that thinks its okay to blow up non-believers. an entire country that thinks its okay to ghetto-ize millions of people.
you can list all the buddhist violence you want, and I'm sure it exists, but it will never come close to or be anything like the violence being pushed today by the big 3. thats not romanticizing. that's just the facts.-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"tibetan insurgents when china invaded? how is that buddhist violence? that's people protecting their homes. nothing to do whatsoever with buddhism. they just happened to be buddhists. and they were invaded. sheesh."
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But al-quaeda and Hamas just happen to be Muslims. When it's their ideology that's causing all the problems. And the insurgents in Iraq -- they were invaded too. They just happen to be Muslim.
"but no violence between buddhists and hindus. none."
Then you weren't actually in India. Because there are constant fights and violence over who controls what particular shrines and areas.
"we're taliking INSTITUTIONAL here:"
Okay. If 95 % of Muslims are moderates and condem the violence of the 5% of extremists who are pushing an ideology. Then it seems to me violence isn't INSTITUTIONAL to Islam. Any more than it is to Christianity.
"you can list all the buddhist violence you want, and I'm sure it exists, but it will never come close to or be anything like the violence being pushed today by the big 3. thats not romanticizing. that's just the facts."
I never said it "came close." People just tend to over romanticize Buddhism.
I did happen to notice you skipped over WWII completely. Where Buddhism was institutionalized to forward a nationalist agenda.
By the way -- WWII is within memory for many people. And it's especially so for those affected by its violence. And even more so for cultures that don't have a 24hour news period and short memory (like America). It's within memory for a number of Zen teachers who are passing away, but who have passed on their memories. Such as Shunryu Suzuki.
Just because it's not in YOUR memory, doesn't mean it's passed out of memory (thank God).
Or are you saying we should forget about the Holocaust, too, because it happened 60 years ago? No thank you. That horror, along with others, should be remembered.-
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NoWayMan9 months, 1 week ago
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"But al-quaeda and Hamas just happen to be Muslims. When it's their ideology that's causing all the problems. And the insurgents in Iraq -- they were invaded too. They just happen to be Muslim."
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al qaeda wasn't invaded. they go out to cause violence. AND they teach their hate through the guise of islam. I don't consider the insurgency in iraq against the US as muslim violence (its actually christian violence on muslims, if it needs to be categorized as religious in any way). but the sunni vs. shia stuff happening sure is.
but al qaeda compared to buddhists defending their homes agianst maoists? seriously apples and opranges. big time.
"Then you weren't actually in India. Because there are constant fights and violence over who controls what particular shrines and areas."
Yeah, and that constant violence is almost always between the hindus and muslims, not hindus and buddhists.
I was in India. spent 6 weeks there last year. and there was NO VIOLENCE between Hindus and Buddhists when I was there, save for sri lanka, like I said before. And I was in bihar, where many buddists live.
and when those bombs went off, NO ONE said "oh, that must have been the buddhists." no one.
Don't believe me? Who cares? it ain't like you were there. so you're just talking outta your rear end on this one.compared to me since I was actually there.
"Okay. If 95 % of Muslims are moderates and condem the violence of the 5% of extremists who are pushing an ideology. Then it seems to me violence isn't INSTITUTIONAL to Islam. Any more than it is to Christianity."
point I was making: there are KNOWN mosques, schools of thought and religious leaders who push hate in Islam. that makes it institutional. there are KNOWN preachers in America who have claimed we are on a crusade (even on TV). institutional. and we all know there's an enitre govt (israel) thats wiliing to ghetto-ize millions of people. institutional.
none of this is true in buddhism. and unless you have a link that proves some buddhist sensei is preaching hate for another religion, you got nada.
you then brought up ww2 and some very obscure supposed buddhist violence. then you went and brought up the holocaust as if there were any type of comparison.
AND THATS EXACTLY MY POINT.
you can say anything you want about "buddhist violence" in ww2, but it will never ever ever ever come close to what happend with the nazis in ww2.
and the same can be said today.
thats the point I've been trying to make all along. so thanks for making it for me.
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Dionys9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Many Muslims seem to believe that it is OK to teach hatred and violence in the name of their religion, and at the same time expect the world to respect Islam as "a religion of peace, love and harmony." A recent film, "Fitna", by Dutch parliament member Geert Wilders has shed light on this issue."
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Many Israelis, Americans, Christians, Jews, Europeans, Asians seem to believe it's okay to teach hatred and violence in the name of THEIR religion. At the same time that they're killing thousands of innocent Palestinians in less than a month and targeting places they previously placed groups of women and children, 'they' "expect the world to respect [Judaism] as "a religion of peace, love and harmony.""
More anti-Muslim rant without the balance of acknowledging that ALL extremist ideologies teach this, no matter the faith tradition being adopted to 'cover' the ideology.-
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Edmar149 months, 2 weeks ago
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First of all, lets get the facts, before Dionys becomes one of those Islamic preachers of hate. Israel never placed the Gaza people behind walls (I assume this is what you meant when you said "they previously placed groups of women and children"). The Gazans did that to themselves when they started sending suicide bombers into Israeli cities. For over 35 years, there were no walls or need for them. Secondly, Hamas committed internationally recognized crimes against humanity when it fired rockets for 8 years into Israeli civilian areas. Any doubt, look it up under international law. Israel only tried to stop the rockets. It didn't target innocent civilians for no reason like Hamas did. Hamas chose the battlefield arena by using civilian urban areas from which which to fire and store their rockets that they fired into Israel. Thirdly, Israel used cell phones and other means to notify the civilians that they were to leave certain areas that were going to be bombed. When did Hamas notify a single Israeli that it was going to fire it's rockets? Fourthly, Israel and the Jews have given so much to the world that 20% of all Nobel prizes are won by Jews. How much has the Muslim world given to humanity in the way of advancement? Medicine? Education? Scientific achievement? Do you want a list of both sides? I don't think that you are ready to be embarrassed that much. I also don't see you or any other Muslim group demonstrating against the genocide perpetrated by Muslims against the people of Darfur, Somolia, the Sudan, Mumbre, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. etc. Over 300,000 dead in Darfur alone by the Muslim militia. 100,000 Sunnis and Shia killed in the last year alone by their own people, Pilgrims on pilgrimages included. If I were you, I would put my efforts into stopping your own people from committing genocide by the hundreds of thousands on innocent men, women and children in at least a dozen countries. All I hear from you is about 700 human shields killed in Gaza. I have yet to hear you condemn the hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by their own people because they were Sunni or Shia. You want to condone that, or simply justify it?
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Dionys9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"I assume this is what you meant when you said "they previously placed groups of women and children")"
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No. You assumed wrong. The IDF was shown during this past conflict to have packed at least one house and one school with women and children and told they could remain there safely and then specifically targeted those 'safe' houses with bombs. And no, there were no Hamas militants using those areas as launching points -- though the IDF tried to claim that before the media (western as well) showed the IDF was lying (yet again).
"Israel never placed the Gaza people behind walls (I assume this is what you meant when you said "they previously placed groups of women and children"). The Gazans did that to themselves when they started sending suicide bombers into Israeli cities. "
No. Israel made the choice to enclose them within walls and deny them basic construction materials, food and medicine. The IDF has regularly violated the various truce agreements and killed many more Palestinians knowing full well they were killing them than Palestinian suicide bombers have.
"Any doubt, look it up under international law. Israel only tried to stop the rockets. It didn't target innocent civilians for no reason like Hamas did"
Again, the IDF specifically DID target innocent civilians and specifically did target areas they knew there would be civilian deaths. In addition they violated international laws in their use of cluster bombs and during the latest conflict violated international law by misuse of White Phosphorous munitions in violation of agreements and law. Those are war crimes.
" Fourthly, Israel and the Jews have given so much to the world that 20% of all Nobel prizes are won by Jews. How much has the Muslim world given to humanity in the way of advancement?"
Are you kidding? Or just stupid? ALL of mathematics and ALL of the great Greek philosophers come through the preservation done by Muslims when the Alexandria library was burned and while Christians went on rampages killing Jews and Christians during the Crusades. I know you're ignorant, but please. Do a little research.
"I also don't see you or any other Muslim group demonstrating against the genocide perpetrated by Muslims against the people of Darfur, Somolia, the Sudan, Mumbre, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. etc. Over 300,000 dead in Darfur alone by the Muslim militia."
Then you don't pay attention to any Muslim groups, the vast majority of whom have condemned such genocide. Or to me who condemns ALL genocide and all violence. Let me know when you're ready to condemn the horrific violence of all parties, rather than the ones you dislike alone.
Let me also know when you're ready to admit that it's not the religion, but the ideology that's the problem. Otherwise we'll have to start talking about all the deaths caused by the Christian US military and all those 'good' Christians over the centuries and in recent years.-
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Dionys9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"If I were you, I would put my efforts into stopping your own people from committing genocide by the hundreds of thousands on innocent men, women and children in at least a dozen countries"
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I do. I am putting my efforts every day into stopping the murder and genocide of hundreds of thousands of people at the hand of the policies and military of the United States of America.
"All I hear from you is about 700 human shields killed in Gaza. I have yet to hear you condemn the hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by their own people because they were Sunni or Shia. You want to condone that, or simply justify it?"
You're the one trying to justify the horrific actions of the Israeli government. Maybe you should take your own advice? Besides -- All you're hearing from me is about the 1400 innocents killed thanks to the policies of Israel. You want to hear about other things? Sure - I condemn the actions of Hamas specifically and the genocidal actions of ALL religious groups, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Confucian, Atheist.
Can you say the same, or are you just going to explain away the genocide perpetrated by the IDF?
After all those Nazis in German only put the Jews in walled ghettos because the Jews posed a threat to the Nazis, right? That is, after all, the same reasoning you're using to justify the walled ghetto of Gaza. -
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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Al taqiyya again from Dionys and hyper. This is the Muslim concept of lying to protect Islam. It is used for other reasons as well.
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Far example. If a Muslim ever tells you he is your friend either they are lying or they are ignorant of the Quran that says if they do they are no longer Muslims. That verse tells them that it is all right to lie to people and tell them they are friends. The word used there is al taqiyya.-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"Al taqiyya again from Dionys and hyper. This is the Muslim concept of lying to protect Islam"
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Prove it.
Saying "you're lying" doesn't mean the person's lying.
Prove it or label yourself the ultimate hypocrite. Endo al-taqiyya.
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If you read any English translation of the Qu'ran, it addresses this plainly in English.
The ONE time it is acceptable to lie is when someone has a knife/gun/weapon to your neck/head and says "I will kill you if you are a Muslim." That is the one time it is acceptable and the only acceptable lie within Islam is under that circumstance and you are allowed to say you are not a Muslim.
So yes -- If someone is a Muslim and is told they will be killed if they say they are a Muslim, they can say they're not a Muslim. They cannot lie about anything else, according to their scripture.
Do you really think, however, that any Muslim would be threatened by a bunch of jackasses like you to the point of feeling they need to lie about being a Muslim?
Stop lying for Endo. Endo-al-taqiyya is no better.
Your example of someone lying when they say they're your friend is a lie, plain and simple. A lie from your mouth. What's your excuse?-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Again, more ad hominem and NO comeback. How come? Well, I'll continue to squawk about true Islam as long as you continue to squawk lies about it being peaceful and NOT a threat to the world. As long as you and your Islamic terrorist appeasing ilk are here, I'LL be here.
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well here is Edmar lying to Americans again.
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Sderot - A town built on the ashes of an ethnically cleansed and defaced Palestinian village
We’ve been hearing a lot lately about Sderot, a town that has become the centrepiece of Israeli propaganda. Israeli spokesmen, and Israel’s stooges in the media and among politicians in Britain, the European Union and the United States, repeat ad nauseum the mantra about Palestinian home-made rockets "raining down" on Sderot, although only 1 in 500 causes a fatality. It is a mantra that has been used to justify the countless thousands of Israeli bombs, missiles, grenades and tank shells that are blasted into Gaza's tight-packed humanity. Bu what do we know about Sderot? Below is an insight into the town's history.
Israeli land thieves built Sderot on the ashes of an ethnically cleansed and defaced Palestinian village called Najd.
Sderot was settled by Jews in 1951. In All That Remains, Walid Khalidi says that Sderot, along with the settlement of Or ha-Ner, founded in 1957, were established on the village lands of Najd, which means "elevated plain" in Arabic.
According to Umkhalil, Najd's Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, stipulate that the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.
Najd is 14 kilometres from Gaza. Palestinian Arabs own 12,669 dunums in Najd, although Israel refuses to honour their rights to their personal property, and refuses them their inalienable right to return home. In 1945 Jews owned 495 dunums of land in Najd and public lands consisted of 412 dunums.
In short, Sderot is an illegally occupied territory stolen from Palestinians.
Israeli Goebbels: Stop lying to the world about needing to defend what is not rightfully yours. You're worse than bank robbers saying they have a right to defend their loot!
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Edmar149 months, 1 week ago
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Welcome the new Nazis. Historically, Hyperbola is using the same tactics. Those that wish to listen to her, just raise your right hand and salute. What I find interesting is that she never addresses the issue of Muslim genocide. She never addresses Hamas' crimes against humanity with the rockets that they shower into Israeli cities. She never addresses the 300,000 deaths in Darfur by the Muslim Militia, the 100,000 deaths in Iraq by Sunni, Shia infighting. Never a cry for the children of the Sudan or Somolia at the hands of Muslim armies. Not a word about the Pilgrims on pilgrimages who are cut down by suicide bombers and roadside bombs set by their own people. She dwells on the Palestinians with her hate of Israel, but the rest of the world who are suffering at the hands of the Muslims be damned. Blast Israel, but take no issue with Muslim atrocities and genocide of hundreds of thousands. I think that in the future, any reference to the name Hyperbola should be changed to Hypocritia. I'm sure that there will be some stupid, non-relevant answer to this because this lady will never address the real issue of Muslim genocide on a world wide level. This article hits the nail right on the head.
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hyperbola9 months, 1 week ago
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Ah my, Edmar trying to blame others for zionist crimes against humanity again! What else is new.
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Interesting how you try to make Palestinians responsible for events throughout the world to cover up zionist ethnic cleasing. Pretty much shows you have no arguments to excuse your moral turpitude.
By the way, whyare youtalking about Muslims? The Christians in Palestine are even more damning in their denunciation of zionist crimes and have long played a major role in resistance to zionist ethnic cleansing. Just one more example of your silly attempts to "slither away" from your crimes I suppose.
Israel's Purging of Palestinian Christians
http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=10297
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hyperbola9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh dear, more patently falacious zionist propaganda from Edmar.
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When Israel expelled Palestinians: What if it was San Diego and Tijuana instead?
In the wake of Israel's invasion of Gaza, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak made this analogy: "Think about what would happen if for seven years rockets had been fired at San Diego, California from Tijuana, Mexico."
Think about what would happen if San Diego expelled most of its Hispanic, African American, Asian American, and Native American population, about 48 percent of the total, and forcibly relocated them to Tijuana? Not just immigrants, but even those who have lived in this country for many generations. Not just the unemployed or the criminals or the America haters, but the school teachers, the small business owners, the soldiers, even the baseball players.
What if we established government and faith-based agencies to help move white people into their former homes? And what if we razed hundreds of their homes in rural areas and, with the aid of charitable donations from people in the United States and abroad, planted forests on their former towns, creating nature preserves for whites to enjoy? Sounds pretty awful, huh? I may be called anti-Semitic for speaking this truth. Well, I'm Jewish and the scenario above is what many prominent Israeli scholars say happened when Israel expelled Palestinians from southern Israel and forced them into Gaza. But this analogy is just getting started.
What if the United Nations kept San Diego's discarded minorities in crowded, festering camps in Tijuana for 19 years? Then, the United States invaded Mexico, occupied Tijuana and began to build large housing developments in Tijuana where only whites could live.
And what if the United States built a network of highways connecting American citizens of Tijuana to the United States? And checkpoints, not just between Mexico and the United States but also around every neighborhood of Tijuana? What if we required every Tijuana resident, refugee or native, to show an ID card to the U.S. military on demand? What if thousands of Tijuana residents lost their homes, their jobs, their businesses, their children, their sense of self worth to this occupation? Would you be surprised to hear of a protest movement in Tijuana that sometimes became violent and hateful? Okay, now for the unbelievable part.-
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Edmar149 months, 1 week ago
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As usual, rambling thoughts not thought through. Palestine was never a country. Mexico is and as such, an analogy of the type that she is using is meaningless. Palestine was always a province of a conquering people, never a self autonomous, self governing country. When the British attempted to create a stable region after WWI, they created countries which used to be regions. But Hypocritia doesn't understand this. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. were all created as Muslim countries. Then, of course, to be fair, the territory of Palestine was divided and TransJordan was created on 2/3 of Palestine. But there is no fair to Hypocritia unless everything is Muslim. Those who understand history understand why the Palestinians don't have their second homeland yet. And those that understand the history of the region will understand why it is necessary for the Hyperbolas (hypocritias) of the world to write their own history in order to justify the fact that Palestinians can't rule themselves. They need to write their own history and deny the real history because they need to justify that today, a 75 year old woman was ordered to be lashed by a Saudi court. But the fact is that there is no justification for a people who claim to be part of a religion of peace that has no desire of ever being peaceful. Lie, deny and justify are the tools of the Hyperbolas of the Islamic world.
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djn3nunez39 months, 2 weeks ago
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FTA-"For example, the stoning of women exists in both the Old Testament and in the Islamic tradition, or "Sunna" -- the recorded deeds and manners of the prophet Muhammad. The difference, though, is that leading Jewish scholars agreed to discontinue these practices centuries ago while Muslim scholars have yet to do so."
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Not all Muslim scholars....
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1282
Mr. Ramadan repeated his call for "a moratorium" on the stoning of women who commit adultery, a punishment imposed several times recently -- but never carried out -- by Islamic courts in northern Nigeria. But he refused to call for the abolition of the punishment.
Mr. Ramadan says that his calls for a moratorium have a better chance of being heard by Muslim religious scholars than would an outright condemnation. "I want to come at this from a discussion within the Islamic world,"
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Stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran and is considered by many respected Muslim scholars to be un-Islamic. Many Muslim nations such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Tunisia, Algeria and others have banned death by stoning. Despite calls for abolition from around the globe, stoning still occurs in several countries, either under law or by the community.
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Dionys9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The difference, though, is that leading Jewish scholars agreed to discontinue these practices centuries ago while Muslim scholars have yet to do so."
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Then why do orthodox Jews still stone women in Israel for wearing pants or shorts?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...
http://stop-stoning.org/node/474-
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Stoning in Islam has the person have their hands tied behind them and wrapped tightly in a cloth. Then they put the man in the ground up to his neck and the woman into the ground up to her shoulders with the earth tamped down hard. Then a cleric creates a ring around the person and no one is allowed into the inside of the circle. Then specific sized stones are thrown at the person until they are dead. If the person can get outside the circle before being killed they are then thought to be innocent.
These Jews are throwing stones at buses and people who can easily flee and are usually not hurt very much but are very angry.
I guess Dionys does not see the difference. Or is he thinking no one will look at the links. In Islam the people end up dead and in Israel people end up with minor hurts and very angry.-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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According to Quran 18:74-81, it's ok to kill your son or daughter just by FEARING that they might grow up to disappoint or grieve Allah. Of course, you will never acknowledge that WILL you O "I'm not a Muslim, yet defend Islam like I'm defending my dear life", WILL you? :)
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Stoning is not mentioned in the Quran? Allowance to lie is (Quran 3:28 16:106), and, so is being able to break peace treaties with those who aren't Muhammadan (9:1). Also, so is killing your son or daughter if you just FEAR that they will some day grow up to disappoint Allah (18:74-81).
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Commodore19 months, 2 weeks ago
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Isn't that the truth. I've never seen in the Koran where it says blowing yourself up will send U to heaven. I believe most muslims are brain washed by the few who hold all the money and power. I believe even the most moderate muslims can be turned to jihad instantly. I don't believe any of them can be trusted and do believe it's only a matter of time before they start WWIII.
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Endoscopy9 months, 1 week ago
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It is in the hadith not the Quran. Muhammad told his warriors in a battle that they were slowly losing that if they died fighting for Islam they would go straight to paradise. The Hadith take almost equal importance in Islam as the Quran. Hadith are collections of stories told about Muhammad and what he said. They are documented by who first said the story and who told it to the writer and who wrote it. They are thought to explain the Quran and add to it. This gives them the story of Muhammad and they are suposed to follow his example and do what he said.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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All you need to do is see the passages from the Quran and hadith they are exposing, and, check it for yourself. I mean, you can lie about Quran 3:28 and 16:106 all you want, saying they DON'T mean a Muhammadan can lie and, in 16:106, even deny faith in Allah to protect your cowardly life (contradicting Quran 16:107), but, hey, I leave it up to who ever reads me to check them out for themselves. In the process, they will, God willing, learn who the liar has been here all along no matter HOW much you accuse me of being a liar.
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NoWayMan9 months, 2 weeks ago
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all of the "big 3" religions are screwed up.
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you've got christians in america who somehow believe christ would've carried a gun and think we're on some kind of crusade in the middle east. you've got jews in israel treating the palestinians like the nazis treated the jews in europe (not to the point of extermination, but ghetto-ization anyone?) and you've got many radical factions in islam that are teaching hate (wahabbi schools. etc).
but this isn't god's fault (whichever god you like), or the fault of religion itself (as an instituion or as a culture). its the fault of the people (by and large men) running these religions and the failure of strength by those following to speak up when they know they are being taught poorly.-
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Are you just so ignorant or are you a Muslim spouting lies for Islam?
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Are you so ignorant that you have not heard that the terrorist organizations send out suicide bombers to kill the Israelis and in Iraq mostly other Muslims? You never heard that Hamas was sending missiles into Israel? Over 1400 Jews have been killed and over 8000 wounded since 2000. And you seem to think they should say pretty please don't send any more and the terrorists will stop.
These terrorists according to their charters want to destroy Israel, kill all of the Jews, and put Sharia law over the whole area. Nothing less is acceptable. They hold that the Quran, hadith, and Muslim scholars past and present say this.
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NoWayMan9 months, 1 week ago
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endo, seriously, you're like a dumb dog who keeps eating its own sh*t. and no matter how many times we beat you for it, rub your nose in it and try to lead you to real food, you just turn around and start eating your own sh*t again. cause that's how dumb you are.
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re-read my post. I pretty much think all of the "big 3" religions are on the wrong path right now. and that's what I said.
how you came up with the idea that I'm "a Muslim spouting lies for Islam" is baffling at best.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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"Little girl". Oh, that's right, because, in Islam, little girls mean nothing, to the point where you can "marry them" at the age of six, and, then, divorce them if they don't please you. Would you like the Hadith for that, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, defend terrorist Islam like I'm defending my dear life"?
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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More ad hominem and NO come back. Gosh, O "I'm not a Muhammadan, yet, defend Islam in a desperate way", how come you can ONLY try to attack someone's character? CAN'T you be more original than that? CAN'T you be more substansive than that? Again, would you like the passage from the hadith that says it's ok to marry a little girl? Actually, I just found something in the Quran:
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65:1 O Prophet, when you (and the believers) divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting-period and count the waiting-period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have NOT MENSTRUATED AS YET. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, ibid., vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added). So, what do you know? Islam, the religion of pedophiles. I bet you can divorse that little to, just by saying "I divorse you" three times, HUH, O I'm not a Muslim yet defend Islam in the most desperate of ways"?-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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You can divorce that little girl who "have not menstruated yet", HUH? If not, show where from the Quran that you AREN'T supposed to divorce wives who haven't had their periods yet? Do you DARE try to provide the Hadith or Quranic verse? :)
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jordan119 months, 1 week ago
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Islam Needs to Prove It's a Religion of Peace>>>>
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I'd think that millions and millions of peaceful Muslims would be proof enough. No, huh? Well then, I have to ask; "What does anyone 'think' they're going to do about it if they don't prove it to your satisfaction?" This demand is ridiculous and inflammatory. Gee, I just can't imagine what could be causing problems between cultures. Can any of you who go along with this nonsense?-
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Of course there is Israel, Darfur, India, Packistan, Iraq, etc. etc. etc. Muslim killing Muslim or Jews. Such a peaceful way of live. Honor killings in all parts of the world. A Muslim man beheaded his wife recently in the US. But the MSM ignored it. There have been several other honor killings in the US, usually the father killing his daughters. In most Muslim countries the officials look the other way and ignore the honor killings. Many times the victims are brought into the public square and they are killed there for all to see. Such peaceful people. At times they have killed Christians and Jews living in their lands because somebody just got angry over something and they just attacked them. The bigger times the governments get involved like the million Christians killed by Turkey as WW1 was starting. They were marched out into a wilderness area and killed there. Real peaceful people.
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Do you want to go live in a devout Muslim country? If you are not religious they will give you the opportunity to convert or die. A Christian or Jew has to pay a special extra tax and be a second class citizen. And if someone gets upset and kills you no one will care. Such peaceful people. They follow the religious books. The only places that are moderate are the places that Arabic is not spoken. A Muslim is allowed to hear the Quran in only Arabic.-
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"At times they have killed Christians and Jews living in their lands because somebody just got angry over something and they just attacked them"
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Yeah. And this didn't happen with Christians EVER!
"The bigger times the governments get involved like the million Christians killed by Turkey as WW1 was starting. "
How many Christians did America kill in WWI? WWII? How many Buddhists in WWII? How many Christians killed other Christians in the Civil War?
"A Muslim man beheaded his wife recently in the US. But the MSM ignored it."
I don't know what MSM you pay attention to, but I saw it in every paper and heard about it on most liberal raidio stations. How often do you hear about good Christians who drown their children? Or murder their spouses in horrific manners?
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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IF you are talking about the woman who drowned her children, you'd have no problem with if IF you used Quran 18:74-81 to justify, true? I mean, in that passage, a man kills a youth just by FEARING that he'd later grow up to grieve Allah, and, guess what? NOTHING happens to him FOR killing that youth, meaning? It's IS ok to commit "Honor" killing in Islam!!
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"The only places that are moderate are the places that Arabic is not spoken. A Muslim is allowed to hear the Quran in only Arabic."
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Lying for Christianity again, huh.
95% of Muslims are moderate (according to a recent, independent study).
I'm fairly certain that 95% of Muslims do NOT speak Arabic.
As for a Muslim only being allowed to hear the Qu'ran in Arabic -- Yes. I know you're stupid. It's okay.
Plenty of Muslims hear it in English or other languages. Most Muslims study it in Arabic for the same reason Biblical scholars study the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek -- because they want a clear understanding of what it means rather than a mistranslation as you often find in the Bible and qu'ran.-
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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If so, they aren't following the INJIL very well, ARE they? AREN'T following the Injil (Gospel), that the Quran says a Christian has NO ground to stand upon unless he stand FIRM upon the Injil (Gospel....which is all about blood atonement for the remission of sins NOT putting your patooti up in the air five times a day, EVERY day, for the rest of your waking life...how come?) :)
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sinophil499 months, 1 week ago
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Since I am Christian, I do agree with the basic premise of this article about Muslim violence.
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However, I must encourage everyone to not be complacent about violence or criminal acts that have been and still are being done by Christians in the name of Christianity or democracy or the country or what have you.
The last known lynching of a black by the KKK was on 3/20/81. Not that long ago actually. And gays are still being persecuted and killed in some parts of our country and worse in other Christian countries. Then there was the illegal incarceration and torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraig and Guantanamo. This is against all the ideals of Christianity,our Constitution, and the Geneva Convention. We also see Christians killing Christians in Northern Ireland.
All in all, I feel gratified that we perceive ourselves to be less violent than Muslims and I think it to be true. However, we msut be vigilant against violence and abuses that still crop up. Above all else, we are human. Humans make mistakes.-
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 1 week ago
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Well said !!!!
Might I add, that I have spoken with Muslims where I live. They abhor the suicide bombers and the extremists. As one of them told me. " We do nothing to show the good the Muslims of the world do if all we do is show the extreme, who claim to speak in the name of Allah, yet murder their own as well as those they claim to be infidels. "
As far as the Christians, yes we have had the extremists as well, those who would go to war to kill in the name of Christ are not Christians. How does any faith show that they are of peace if they kill in the name of their beliefs.
There are the extremists in the Jewish faith as well.
Extremism is fanatical and over the top in any faith.
While I am willing to die for my faith, I am not willing to kill for it. For in my understanding, to kill for it is to deny the power of God and the belief that He is in control not me.
To live is in Christ, to die is to be with Christ. Either way I win.
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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It has been my experience as an African-American and a Sunni Muslim convert that "most" people who comment have little or no experience interacting with practicing Muslims. They are not worldly traveled. Their knowledge rest primarily on "research", and from what sources or edited sources on Islamic belief and behavior. I can say, I have interacted with thousands of Muslims around the world, and I personally don't know a single one who preaches violence. All the ones I know hope for interaction of peoples and nations.
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Just as people have used Christianity as a source to demonstrate injustice and violence, so have Muslims. On the other hand, people's beliefs in both restrain them from retaliation or violence or injustice.
Islam is still, with all the bad press, has the fastest growing number of converts, including women, in western countries.
Why would a white woman from New York choose to wear a veil? People choose Islam for peace of soul, peace with God and peace with humanity. This is their human right of choice.
Right now is Islam's period under the microscope. Talk to my mother as an older black woman growing up in the south about the actions of many Christians on my people. She never turned violent and today is still a Christian.
People, speak from what you know and experienced. Talk to Muslims direct and see what they tell you. Travel, and I guarantee you will have a different perspective.
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What do you mean Islam has to prove it is a religion of peace? They did not do the Lavon Affair, the King David Hotel, the USS Liberty or 9/11. The Jews are the ones that need to prove that they are peaceful and they will never do that. Why? Because their religion is not peaceful. Check out Israeli Terrorism and the Talmud on youtube. It is nothing new to me. I've know of it for 25 years. The Holocaust story is a hoax too. Islam's Quran can be found at any library in the world. As too the Christian Bible. The Jewish Talmud? Try finding that and see how long you can stomach it. Disgusting to say the very least. Every perversion known to man and some not known anywhere else.
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The Holocaust is the greatest hoax perpetrated on the people of the world.. It is a blood libel upon the German people.. Nazi Gassings.com.. Real Jew News.com.. 9/11 is the second greatest hoax upon the people of the world.. Muslims did not do 911.. Go to youtube on it.. 9/11 is a blood libel upon the Islamic people.
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What do you mean Islam has to prove it is a religion of peace? They did not do the Lavon Affair, the King David Hotel, the USS Liberty or 9/11. The Jews are the ones that need to prove that they are peaceful and they will never do that. Why? Because their religion is not peaceful. Check out Israeli Terrorism and the Talmud on youtube. It is nothing new to me. I've know of it for 25 years. The Holocaust story is a hoax too. Islam's Quran can be found at any library in the world. As too the Christian Bible. The Jewish Talmud? Try finding that and see how long you can stomach it. Disgusting to say the very least. Every perversion known to man and some not known anywhere else.
Of course well said, they are the ones who should prove to the world they don't invade and occupy in the name of Democracy and the theory of home land of the chosen people. Struggle against the perpetrators are genuine and real not based on some myth like chosen people.
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2ndSamuel7verse109 months, 1 week ago
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What is the fastest growing religion in the world? Sure glad it isn't Judaism. Nope, it's Islam. With the examples in Christianity such as John Hagee, Pat Robertson, George Bush, I can see why. I would want to one of those money grubbing war mongers. You can add Dr. Larry Bates to that. He has a call in show & lied that I had hung up. Dr. Larry Bates is a lying Christian. Check out Israel-Terrorism-Talmud. World doesn't need HATE to grow. Hitler's biggest mistake is that he did not gas them all.
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Should say Hitler's mistake is that he did not gas any Jews. I have a Koran here. Real easy to get one. I have looked into the Jews and there Talmud too. As a Christian I am tempted to become Muslim. I like Dr. Kaasem Khaleel pretty good. He was good host on Rick Adams show last night on RBN. Gona buy some more of his books. Only man I know anywhere collecting info that Beverly Eckert was murdered. Another victim of 9/11. Her husband died in the Towers. She would not take the million offered settlement and was still pushing for an honest investigation. So, they (the Jews) murdered her. They will murder any who speak out on the Holohoax or 9/11. This post is relevant because we are talking about Islam. It is Judaism that is trying to vilify Islam. Islam is not an offensive religion. Judaism is the most hateful violent religion on the face of the earth- bar none.
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Hope Islam destroys Judaism. The world would be a much better place. Christians are too dumb and blind to do it. They are taught incorrectly that the Jews are the Israel people of the scriptures when in fact they are the Synagogue of Satan. Even the Jews say their God is Lucifer.
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Christianity. I would NOT want to be one of those money grubbing war mongers like John Hagee, Pat Robertson, George Bush. Long list. I don't begrudge Islam for lashing out in revenge. Not at all. They have a whole lot of revenge to take too. Islam did not do 9/11. Jews did. Jews are putting missing children into Oscar Myer Wieners. Having the people eat their own. If you put any perversion past the Jews you are mistaken. It's like they are from another planet. "They Live" is a great movie. It's about the Jew alien on earth.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Playing a game of "GOOD Muhammadan BAD Muhammadan" with yourself AYE, O "I'm not a Muhammadan"? How come this guy only came about for THIS article? IF he starts talking a lot, will that mean you are "taking a break from Propeller"? :)
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2ndSamuel7verse109 months, 1 week ago
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The Holocaust is the greatest hoax perpetrated on the people of the world.. It is a blood libel upon the German people.. Nazi Gassings.com.. Real Jew News.com.. 9/11 is the second greatest hoax upon the people of the world.. Muslims did not do 911.. Go to youtube on it.. 9/11 is a blood libel upon the Islamic people.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Who are Christians or Jews to ask if the Muslims are a religion of peace? American so called Civil War. World War I. World War II. Korean War. Vietnam War. Desert Storm I now II. Did the Muslims start any of these wars that killed millions? And the Jewish bankers have been behind everyone one of them. Has Islamic bankers been a cause? Talk about hypocrites. Real Jew News.com.. theBirdman.org.. Nazi Gassings.com.. Jew Watch.com.. It is an embarrassment to consider myself Christian! Who do we bomb today George Bush? Pat Robertson? Go to youtube & watch Israeli terrorism & the Talmud. The criminal mind is so hypocritical. Blames others for just exactly what they are guilty of. Exactly. Like they are looking into a mirror shaking their finger.
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Redneck9 months, 1 week ago
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You are joking. World War I & II were not started by the USA. WE ENDED THEM!!!!!!
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Korean war was an INTERNATIONAL police action to protect the South in their civil war and prevent the Communist Chinese from taking over.
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I don't think that Islam needs to prove that it is the religion of peace because it is the religion of peace as long as the so called civilized nation stop invading, regime changing, occupying and supporting the Israelis to kill Palestinians. The world specially the Jewish, Christian and Hindu must realize that their propaganda to demonize Islam will not work because anyone who learns Islam will know that the Western Zionist media are lying through their teeth. I can provide hundreds of verse from the Qur'an or even compare the Qur'an and the Bible to prove that Judaism and Christianity are the worst and violent religions on the face of the earth not Islam. What is going right now is the reaction to the stupid American and the Zionist poly towards the Muslims. Certainly those Muslims who engage in indiscriminate attack on civilians are ignorant of their religion Islam and they have noting to do with Islam.
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These particular verses are very clear that Islam is the religion of peace but it is not the religion of cowards and criminals:
Permission [to fight] is given to those who are unjustly fought against, and God is most capable of assisting them. Those who have been wrongfully expelled from their homes [for no reason] except their saying, “Our Lord is Allah (God)…” [Al-Qur’an 22:39-40]
Similarly, Fight in the Way of God those who fight you, but do not transgress. God loves not those who transgress. [Al-Qur’an 2:190]
25:63. and the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!”
Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know. Surah 3.78
If a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loveth not those who do wrong. Holy Quran 42:40
And we send thee not (O Muhammad) but as a mercy unto (all) the world (21-107)
Say, “Not equal are things, that are bad and things that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle thee; so fear Allah, o ye that understand; That (so) ye may prosper.” (Qur’an 5:100)
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Because O Moonlight is a huge waste fo time to talk to, that's why. You're fun, though. Kind of like the coyote in the old Looney-toon cartoons. Always getting his head bopped in a big way as he holds up a puny unbrella against the huge boulder coming down on him. :)
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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Oh, what the heck, I'll respond to him. Hey, Moonlight. IF the Bible is corrupted, then so is the Quran, being that the Quran says it's a "reminder and a confirmation of that which went before it". Not only that, but, the Quran has the Torah LIKE the Quran, going so far as to call it "both guidance and light". Would you like those sciptures?
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YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what
went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)010.094
YUSUFALI: If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have
been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so
be in no wise of those in doubt.
PICKTHAL: And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then
question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord
hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers."
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the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the
revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate
rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith
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Daylight9 months, 1 week ago
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Anything you have to say is irrelevant because of your stated bias. Holocaust is a hoax, are you kidding me? You are IRRELEVANT
Holocaust may not be a hoax but the details and the number of people killed are really fabricated. Why not those countries are not allowing anyone to find the truth or question the Holocaust myth. Even recently a Bishop came out saying that it was a myth. What is happening in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestine is the real Holocaust but the western world just turn the blind eye in the name of Israeli and American security.Geert Wilders is an ignorant and hateful man and he is an Israeli puppet. -
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The accusation that Muslim did 9/11, or even the London & Madrid bombings is a blood libel cruel hoax by the Jews upon the Islamic peoples to vilify them. Read book "Wrongly Blamed" by Dr. Kaasem Khaleel. Listen to him as frequent guest/host of Rick Adams show on RBN. 9/11 widow Beverly Eckert was murdered recently by Jews also because she would not remain silent, would not take the million $ payoff offered & continued to demand new investigation of 9/11. God bless her & her righteous spirit. 9/11 was a Jew job not the Muslims. Lavon Affair & USS Liberty attack too. Jews not Muslims. Ultimate hubris the Jew owned press ask Islam to prove that is religion of peace. Hitler's worst mistake is that he did NOT gas any Jews.
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Mutainia9 months, 1 week ago
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I don't know why you are trying to attack the Bible by calling yourself that. According to the Quran, the Quran is a "confirmation and reminder of that which went before it", in otherwords, the Quran is a confirmation OF the Bible. Not only that, but, the Quran says about the Torah, "if you are in doubt about the Quran, bring something LIKE it", meaning that it can't be done. However, the Quran says the Torah is not only LIKE it, but, is "both guidance and light", to the point where one from the children of Israel can come and verify the Torah with the Quran. Also, the Quran says a Christian has "no ground to stand upon unless he stands firm upon the Injil (the Gospel), meaning that, SINCE there is NO confirmation between the Torah, and, NO confirmation between the Gospel and the Quran being that the Torah and the Gospel are all about blood atonement for the remission of sins, and the Quran is all about putting your patooti up in the air, goes to show you that corruption of both the Torah AND the Gospel must have come AFTER the writing of the Quran. Yet, we know THAT can't be true because the Dead Sea Scrolls that date back to 250 BC, show NO change in meaning between the Torah that we have now, and, the Torah of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It also means that all that talk of Jesus going to the cross had to have come AFTER the Quran was written also, since the Quran says a Christian has no ground to stand upon unless he stands firm upon the Injil (the Gospel). Or, it just means the Quran is false since the Quran says Jesus DIDn't go to the cross.
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