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CRYMTYPHON9 months, 1 week ago
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I have never actualy been in 'a tizzy'*.
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I picture it like a merry-go-round without the music or happy kids. Maybe it just circles around in screams and smoke.
The dreary insistance of Obama-haters,
- that those who support America's new president
are worshipers ,
- is particularly inept when they toss into the poisoned
soup of verbiage, reference to lemmings .
Let us consider the lemming:
a mouse-like creature that runs off cliffs, in a herd-like
act of self destruction.
Mr. Lemming will die; he knows it, - but is overcome with
the desire for self-destruction.
We Obama supporters are deeply worried; the problems facing our country are a war-and-a-half, a broken economy, a world that seems to slip out of control.
But we are not despairing; we are hopeful.
Hope is what marks us.
Those who howl like vampires before the cross
whenever they hear 'Obama', - are full of rage, despair and the desire to see it all just fail and fall to hell.
Over the cliff.
Run along then, lemmings. Off you go.
We the people , have work to do.
*I was once in a fluster; survived.-
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jaspersneed9 months, 1 week ago
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What if, despite Obama's best efforts, it all DOES fail and fall to hell -- over the cliff?
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What then?
What if he, the Congress, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve are doing EXACTLY the wrong thing, and we are doomed to a Zimbabwean future, writ large?
What "work" will we the people then do?-
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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You raise a good point, jaspersneed. !
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What if our best efforts fail?
Then we will do our best to see why we failed, and we will try again.
Failure is not the same as jumping off a cliff, Jasper.
One is the result of human limits on guiding the future;
the other is guiding oneself off the cliff.
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jaspersneed9 months ago
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"Failure is not the same as jumping off a cliff, Jasper.
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One is the result of human limits on guiding the future;
the other is guiding oneself off the cliff.
See the diference?"
Uhhmm... Actually, I'm not sure that I do. While I do agree with the value of trying again when at first we don't succeed, when it comes to a CLIFF, success and/or failure are binary qualities: You either go off the cliff or you don't. Whether impelled or "guided" the results of going off a cliff are the same, with respect to what happens when you land. There aren't any do-overs; you don't GET to try "again". You are, in a word, done.-
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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You are messing with the metaphore.
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If you wish to extend it, then consider that
you could fall of a short cliff, - survive and climb back up.
Or you could grab onto a branch like cartoon characters always do.
Or you could land on a trampoline.
All of these have sound economic corelations which unfortuntately I do not have time to expound upon; the point being
that economic success is not as binary as total success or total death.
Think coyotes and road runners.-
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jaspersneed9 months ago
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"...the point being
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that economic success is not as binary as total success or total death."
Correct, economic success is not. But I'm afraid you are the one misstating the "point" -- as well as messing with the metaphor -- which is that falling off a cliff is precisely where economic success or failure BECOMES a binary circumstance. You fall off the cliff, or you don't fall off the cliff. It isn't a metaphor that admits of cartoonish elaborations: no trampoline, no branches, no coyotes, no cliffs that miraculously turn out to be 6 feet high. It means what it means; it is a cliff, and if you fall off, you die. Metaphorically, in terms of our nation, our economy dies, our society implodes, our individual lives are ravaged, and our government becomes completely totalitarian. We become Zimbabwean, or like Germany in the 20s and 30s. That is the picture. There is no roadrunner to wrap up the show, no "next episode" where the hapless coyote is resurrected to start all over again. It's done. The End.-
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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Ok, let's squeeze reality down to the needs of your question.
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Total death or total success.
You asked what happens if Obama fails?
Then the economy dies, obviously.
What of it?
Do you advocate doing nothing?
Or do you have a diferent plan ?
Are its odds any better?
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jaspersneed8 months, 4 weeks ago
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"You asked what happens if Obama fails?
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Then the economy dies, obviously."
Yes, those were the "needs" of my question: an actual answer not laced with cartoon metaphor.
Now onto your questions:
"What of it?"
-- What of it? Well, it's not a happy thing....
"Do you advocate doing nothing?"
-- As it so happens, that's precisely what i advocate. "Doing" nothing is not the same as nothing will therefore get done. Read about the Unknown Great Depression of 1920-21.
"Or do you have a diferent plan?"
-- see above.
"Are its odds any better?"
--Not only better, PROVEN to be better.-
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jaspersneed8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...Uhm, wait; - where is the proof?"
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Once again..... slowly this time, with emphasis:... READ ABOUT THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF 1920-21.
Need help finding it? Here's a brief summary from U.S. History Encyclopedia:
"The prosperity generated by World War I prevailed into the early part of 1920. Prices began to rise, however, and rumors of a buyers' strike spread. After commodity prices peaked in May, they declined rapidly, precipitating an unprecedented cancellation of orders. Money was extremely tight, although the stringency did not become acute until autumn. A noticeable flight of gold from the country caused a marked advance in money rates, and the end of the year saw a 30 percent decline in industrial stocks. Depression—characterized by inactive industries, business failures, and a severe decline in foreign trade—continued throughout 1921."
Throughout 1921. Two years,.... And then .... And then.... And then, POOF, it was gone. Replaced with a return to sound economic growth. And what was done to make that happen? What did the powers that be and the central planners and the new (relatively) Federal reserve do to end this two year depression?
Nothing.
Not a Goddamn thing. Not knowing exactly WHAT they could or should do, they stayed out of the way, and in two years the market righted itself on its own. Contrast that with the extensive, centrally planned interventions of Hoover and Roosevelt following the 29 downturn, which in turn yielded a depression lasting over 15 years.
So you tell me... What do you consider "proof"? You can claim it's only anecdotal, but it's anecdotal either way: one intense but brief depression accompanied by no interventions from government, and one intense and drawn out depression following massive intervention. Which course of action should we try for this depression? I know which one we SHOULD be trying, but then my view is vastly the minority view, so it is moot anyway. Good luck to us all on the way over the cliff....-
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CRYMTYPHON8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow!
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I never thought to read about the great depression!
At least, - the Great Forgotten Depression of 1920 to 1921.
Thanx for going slowly! !
You must get tired of people asking you to prove stuff one ...more.... time!
And surely it is proof to reference something that didn't happen, because of the special economic medicine of 'doing nothing'.
Anyone who wouldn't accept that as proof, over the mere egg-head economics of
a Krugman or Keynes, - is a cynic for sure.
But you got a little confused at the end there.
I don't intend to go over any cliffs.
That is why I advocate steering the damned car from the direction it is heading.-
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jaspersneed8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...I don't intend to go over any cliffs.
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That is why I advocate steering the damned car from the direction it is heading."
So,....are you now saying, after all this, that the car currently IS headed for the cliff?
Well, good luck with that. Since i have no trust in the ones doing the driving, and no say in putting someone else behind the wheel, I personally advocate just getting out of the car. I am not the only one. Those of us left behind, gazing forlornly at the United States government AND economy joining Thelma and Louise mid-plunge, will surely manage to regroup in one fashion or another, sooner or later -- even if we all have been rendered temporarily afoot.-
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CRYMTYPHON8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Crymtyphon waves a fond, sad farewell from the observation deck of the statue of liberty. Where will they go, these wanderers, looking for an island to practice their
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economic beliefs as their forefathers did before them? Will they find the land
of milk and honey soundly priced on the gold standard?
- or will they sail forever over the horizon, a ship of the darned?
Crymtyphon shrugs and heads back to work.-
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jaspersneed8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...Crymtyphon shrugs and heads back to...................work?..............?"
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If your "work" is a government sinecure of some sort, then lucky you. You probably can hold out for a few years longer.
If it isn't, bets are off. You takes your chances.
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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No, we all have to face reality now .
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You can begin with this article, Nostalgia.
Stop pretending that the Americans who put in a young smart new president
to fix the problems from the previous administration, - are some sort of
degenerate slavish worshipers of a false idol.
And don't just admit it privately; tell your neo-con friends .
Facing reality starts at home and works outwards.-
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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I think we are all up on our reading about bear markets;
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Tho I admit I have never considered whether the bear was secular or
religious.
I will skip the Kondrateiff Theory.
Do not pretend you present an argument, by instructing us to go and research till we find something that will prove you right.
But you may bring a book report about the Kondratieff Theory to class if you keep it simple.
Considering this class, keep it real simple.-
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nostalgia9 months ago
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CRYMTYPHON
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There have been several stories regarding secular bear markets right here on Propeller in recent weeks - were they "above your comprehension" level?
Keep sticking your head in the sand
Eventually you'll have to come up for air
But follow the Grand Poobah's instructions
Invest in the market now - it's a good opportunity according to him
And don't forget to run out and get a loan when they free up credit-
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CRYMTYPHON9 months ago
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NOSTALGIA
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yes, every one of those stories about secular bear markets, were 'above my comprehension level'.
They used complex finance terminology like 'stupid lemming', 'obamamaniac',
and 'you own it now loser'.
Even after I had pulled my head out of the sand, only a true expert could follow the economic model they used. It was as though they had created an entirely new vocabulary to describe what was clear to us all:
- that the previous owners had left the economic house in flames,
and the new guy had not put the fire out.
But thanx for the stock advice!
I followed it yesterday.
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