Withers: Prop 8 passed because of pathetic planning »
Posted By david_nwpa 8 months, 3 weeks ago in FamilyCall me a racist or bigot. Say I'm a reactionary queen who feeds off the hard work of others. Throw out the "excuse maker" line. Accuse me of what you will, but Prop 8 passed because the "No on 8" side had no clue about strategy.
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david_nwpa8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Poor planning to say the least! I am not from California; hence, the best I could do is cheer from the sidelines. Democratic candidates could have spoken out more vibrantly against Prop 8. Governor Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Brown both spoke against it. The legislature has passed a resolution condemning it as discriminatory. Yet, I fear the Justices will claim that Prop 8 is valid and constitutional. It just means that the next minority's rights can now be taken away by electoral fiat! Good luck with that Californians.
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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So once again we have about 3% of the population claiming they're being picked on by the rest of us. I'm tired of hearing about this group. In Wisconsin they wrote the bill in such a way that if you voted against the bill you were voting for same sex marriage. What is the real purpose of this act. To destroy the family? What is the big deal with this anyway? All benefits for being married can be done with a few simple contracts with attorneys for a whole lot less. You want a big party through one. Wasting the courts time and even trying to force churches to change doctrine is a waste.
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NoWayMan8 months, 3 weeks ago
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rights in this country are created to protect the minority, not the majority.
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it doesn't matter how big or small a group is. everyone should get the same rights and priviliges. everyone.
a civil rights issue is never a waste of court time.
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Poulenc8 months, 3 weeks ago
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BB64, what other marginalized groups, fighting to achieve equal status with the majority, are you tired of hearing about? Blacks? Latinos?
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Your objection is the classic rejoinder to those whose assertion of identity creates uncomfortable self-consciousness: if I agree that "those people" are as worthy as I am, and should possess the same entitlements, then I no longer get to feel superior to them.
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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"marginalized groups,"? Who or what you're sleeping with isn't something I give a rip about. I don't understand why now you feel we need to change our customs to meet your needs. Marriage is defined by a man and woman. Are you now claiming because someone is gay, they need to be treated as a special group? Do they get tax credits? Are they disabled?
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Most mainstream religions clearly feel this is wrong. I see a constant attack on people of Christian faiths. Marriage is a cornerstone of that faith. Are you now making it policy to re-write our beliefs to meet your standards? If we don't are you going after our tax exempt status?
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Poulenc8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, BB, you're just hopeless.
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If the institution of marriage is as vulnerable as you seem to believe it is, than the relatively small fraction of gay people in the US can hardly be expected to deliver the coup de grace.
But of course, having more people marry--or to enter marriage because they wish to affirm a mutual bond--strengthens rather than weakens the institution.
Instead, look to skyrocketing divorce numbers as a true threat to marriage.
PS, gays would hardly need to assert their need/right to be treated fairly if people such as yourself didn't attempt to, at the very least, place them beyond the pale of the acceptable. -
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NoWayMan8 months, 3 weeks ago
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I agree that the "no on 8" crowd dropped the ball on this one. they didn't raise enough money, didn't put enough boots on the ground to spread the message, didn't create a comprehensive positive media campaign, and didn't anticipate the strong negative media campaign (complete with lies and all) that came from the "yes on 8" crowd.
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the gay community knows the levels of hatred that are out there. they should have done a better job anticipating the fact that all this hate would show itself, and that it would be heavily funded.
but, knowing all of this (its just a matter of money, gotta put out the right positive message, gotta make sure to anticipate, deflate and deflect the other sides' negative message) it tells me that its just a matter of time, and that marriage equality is inevitable.
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