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Posted By altnrg 8 months ago in Science & TechnologyDriven by global warming, the ocean is expected to rise nearly 5 feet along California's coastline by the end of the century, hitting San Francisco Bay the hardest of all, according to a state study released Wednesday.
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myfairlady8 months ago
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Ciera-Marie8 months ago
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Would you tell this to the citizens of Tuvalu? They've been begging the UN to help them Their country is sinking so badly they've been pleading for years to the Australian government to accept all of their citizens. They're not the only country in the Paciific that is experiencing it.
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Here is just of thounsands of links. Yet this is "fear based crap."
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engineer8 months ago
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I don't know about you, but if you go to any un biased website which has been tracking the average temperature of the earth, it has been increasing at an much faster rate than later on. Nobel scientists say there is global warming caused by man. Get with the program. I have no idea what your iobject is in denial. The reason I didn't put down links is because even sites like NOAA you would say were left wing
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UnusualSuspect8 months ago
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This topic is going to be one of the things people in 200 - 300 years will be looking back at us and wondering why in the hell were we so stupid to not do anything when we had the chance...
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I'm sure if NASA discovered a meteor 100 miles long was flying its way towards earth, and it was projected that it would hit in the middle of the US (red state area, by the way), the same people who are laughing now would be the first to say "DO SOMETHING, YOU FU**ING GOVERNMENT". You know they would..."SAVE US, SAVE US" would be their mantra...and they'd be the first to complain when they found out nothing could be done...
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Pecossam8 months ago
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altnrg,
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Natural, geological warming, as the Earth has undergone throughout its history. NOT MAN MADE. Either get a rocket ship and transport yourself to another planet, or prepare for it as best you can. When 12DEC2012, the Planet Nibiru, and The ANNUNAKI arrive, global warming will be the LEAST of Mankind's worries.
You're the victim of an "INCONVIENIENT, SCREWED-UP AL GORE".-
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Goppy8 months ago
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Pecossam ... I appreciate your eagerness to discount any impact of 6.6 BILLION humans - extracting contents of the earth and burning it into the atmosphere!
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In fact, I TOTALLY approve of ALL my fellow Christian Conservative's nay-saying comments on Global Warming!
In fact, if these Hardline Hard-Asses had embraced the science of Climate Change - I would have seen it as an "End Times" harbinger.
I mean - Conservative Minded People in America have chosen the WRONG side of every important issue of the past 50 years!
Personally, I think that's why they exude such bitterness - as when Pecossam heaping ridicule on Al Gore ... and 4thchance ridiculing Scientists ... and the science ... surrounding Climate Change.
I think I would be a totally embittered fellow, should I be wrong on EVERY issue related to change in my entire lifetime.
Of course, it may SEEM like a good thing to 'dig in one's heels' and pretend that everyone ELSE is the nut-case - - - but of course - - - that only works if the nuts are in the MINORITY ... --- ... like the minority that continue to claim George W. Bush was a 'Good' President.
No ... Hardline, Christian Conservative, Modern Republicans have been on the WRONG side of EVERY pivotal issue for a long ..... looooong time.
People who are now Modern Conservatives ALSO thought these issues were wrong ... stupid ... and fruity ...
- Civil Rights
- Voting Rights
- Equal Rights for Women
- That Women Should be Allowed to Wear Pants
- Women Working out of the Home
- Peace in Vietnam
- Environmentalism
- Recycling
- Women's Reproductive Rights
... and more recently ...
- Trimming our Defense Budget
- Peace in Iraq
- Equal Rights for Homosexuals
See ... it's just in the Conservative's DNA to oppose ANY change.
It's like ... the person who says ... in 1865 ... "We've had slaves in this nation for 150 years ... them thar Libbies up north just want to muck things up for us with their 'elitist' edjamacation." ...
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Is the same person who says ... in 2005 ... "We've been burning fossil fuels for 150 years ... them Libbies up north just want to muck things up for us with their 'elitist' so-called junk skience and edjamacation."
See?
This has been repeated since our nation was founded - and it's going to be repeated for a THOUSAND times as we move forward through each succeeding generation.
The Hardine Right will continue to fullfill their role as an ANCHOR to progress - and the Progressives will continue to push progress along.
As a Centrist - it's great fun to watch.
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Nevertheless ... I STILL ♥ my fellow Christian Conservatives!
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4thchance8 months ago
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NEWS FLASH
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global warming, there is NO global warming, not any more.
We're now entering back into a global cooling trend. The entire world over the last 2 years are reporting some of the longest and coldest winter weather they have had in decades. You people are very confused to say we are still in a global warming trend. Just step outside, most all of American is having a very long and exceptionally cold winter. Last year too. The polar icecaps are returning and growing back at record speed.
You just watch and see what the environmentalists will be saying in a few years from now, when they finally realize they can no longer hang onto their BS global warming crap.
Once we get well set into the global cooling trend that we are now entering, the environmentalists will turn around and start saying this...
GLOBAL "COOLING" is the direct result of MANS POLLUTION.
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buckncindykill8 months ago
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We've also heard that wealthy nations owe poor nations no less than $85 billion a year to help poor people cope with global warming and those rising oceans.
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The share to be paid by the taxpayers of the United States? That would be $40 billion a year ... for starters. We can certainly look for that figure to increase every single year, and any reluctance on the part of the United States to continually up the ante will be blasted as evidence that we just don't care about poor people.
Wait until the summer when it gets hotter (btw, it's supposed to). The rising ocean levels fever will really start to kick in.
Why? Obama is in office, that's why.-
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CRYMTYPHON8 months ago
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The action of CO2 in our atmosphere acting as a heat-trap for sunlight,
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- does not care a rip about Barack Hussein Obama, Al Gore, Buckncindykill, or
even Crymtyphon.
Scientific facts are non-political.
The vast majority of climate scientists agree that global climate change due to the greenhouse gases produced by human beings - is true
.They offer peer-reviewed studies and field work observations,
a large work from many disciplines that correlate into a convincing consensus.
Science does not care about your politics.
If you decide the majority of scientists are wrong about something that has now been
reviewed and studied so completely,
- you must give us a better argument than 'Obama is in office, that's why'.
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4thchance8 months ago
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Yep, when they use the term "Climate Change" in place of "Global Warming"
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then every time the CLIMATE CHANGES from a warming trend to a cooling trend and back again, then they will be 100% correct. Because the climate is always changing!
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Beau78907 months, 4 weeks ago
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We live within a relatively narrow range of temperatures. And the causes of meteorological conditions are extremely complex--meteorologists at NOAA use supercomputers to predict weather patterns. A change in the climate of one area affects the climates of others, which in turn still affect others, in a continuous feedback loop.
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Climate change is a more exact term than global warming to describe the effect of greenhouse gases on the environment--while some areas will heat, others will cool; while some will dry up, others will flood...and not in equal proportions.
Scientists expect more variation in temperatures within shorter time spans as a result of greenhouse gases, creating different environmental conditions than we're used to, which will make it harder for humans to survive here.
This is the effect you'll be able to see within our lifetime.
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Dionys8 months ago
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"No factual evidence to support this claim whatsoever."
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Except all the facts and thousands upon thousands of published scientific articles based in empiric fact as reviewed by peers.
"All the hype for nothing but a "consensus" among scientist."
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simonsez8 months ago
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The claims of these idiots get more bizarre every day. Even the GW sheep are beginning to question their credibility.
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The only source of new (additional) water is greenland and anartica. They would have to be melting at incredible rates and that is not happening nor is it going to happen.-
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Ciera-Marie8 months ago
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You know I replied to your comments on the Antartica thread, with links to back myself up, about the rising sea levels. About Countires in the Pacific who have lost islands due to rising sea levels, Tuvaluvians who can't drink their fresh water because it's containmenated by salt water. I know you didn't bother to read the links because your reply was "what's my point?" My point then as now is really quite simple.
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How can you ignore their pleas? How can you ignore what they are experience first hand and say the sea isn't rising?
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Ciera-Marie8 months ago
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City of Venice is also sinking. Tuvalu is sinking as I mentioned above. So is the island nation of Guam (US Terriority and we still have bases there. BTW I've met vets who are citizens of Guam.), Palau, American Samoa, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, to name a few.
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BTW the Island nation of Kiribati formerly known as the Gilbert Islans, have seen first hand two of their islands sink due to rising sea levels. All 100,000 thousand of their citizens are sinking refuge elsewhere. They are witnessing rising sea levels frist hand. So no, it's not fear based. It's reality.-
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Wolfie20078 months ago
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C/M
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Venice has been sinking since it was constructed and to say it's because of global warming is disingenuous. Go check it out.
I did a search on Kiribati and never found anything about global warming but did find a lot of tourism advertisements.
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Wolfie20078 months ago
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The head globule warming/climate change scientist recently said that globule warming was real and made made but carbon offsets and cap and trade were just scams. Seems like globule warming without new taxes would just take all the fun out it for most politicians so I don't think they're going to pay any attention to this guy any longer.
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pokydoke8 months ago
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Where do you deniers of global warming get your information from? Every reliable source I check states that it is a very real problem and if we don't start cutting green house gases the situation will soon be irreversible. No one even knows what the full ramifications are but they are not good for us or other creatures. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/12/irrever...
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CRYMTYPHON8 months ago
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The true political animal, does not 'get its information' from anyone or anywhere.
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It confirms what it hears outside of itself, with what it knows ought to be true.
This is how creationism, reaganomics, the Bush Doctrine and the conservative view of Global Warming work.
(It is also how I do the crossword puzzle but that is slightly diferent because I occasionaly am right).
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PainGoddess8 months ago
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Why do you think the space admin. is trying to find us another place to live?
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Our planet may be uninhabitable at least on the surface in a few hundred years.
Flooding may be the least of our problems once overcrowding and disease take over.
BTW in the 70's it was Planetary cooling that got our attention.
The planet has gone through many cycles of warming and cooling and extinctions.
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Mr_Sir8 months ago
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It is interesting to note where the funding for this latest "study" came from: "Pacific Institute, a nonprofit research group in Oakland, and was paid for by the California Energy Commission, Caltrans and the state Ocean Protection Council." And guess where all that rising water will head to?? Why, California, of course! Do they really think the pacific ocean will "bulge up" at that one single point? When you put a cup of water into a full swimming pool, it does not leave a single bulge on the other side of the pool. Instead the entire pool level will rise... by a height too small to measure. All oceans are connected. 5 feet might not seem much, but when you spread an additional "5 foot layer" of water over the entire Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, Antartic and North Sea oceans, you're looking at a staggering amount of water beyond description. Beyond what Greenland could ever supply by the continual growth and retreat of it's ever changing ice layer. Here's a thought: If sea levels rise that high, then many areas globaly will have water creeping inland. This will dramatically increase the surface area on the oceans. More surface area means the seas are more susceptible to evaporation, threatening to lower sea levels world wide. This will cloud up the skies more, blocking warmth from the sun. More vapour in atmosphere and lower temperature will cause increased snowfall and more rapid glacier advancement. More snow and ice, lower temperatures, lowering oceans, advancing glaciers... all caused by ummm... "global warming". Lets see them dream up some doomsday announcements about that!
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simonsez7 months, 4 weeks ago
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You are absolutely right on Mr. Sir.
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Very very few people seem capable of analyzing a statement to it's ultimate conclusion. There is not enough new (additional) water on the planet to raise the ocean level by such an amount, but they read it on the web, so it must be true.
The ONLY scenario that could cause water levels to move that high would be for more land to pop up decreasing the land mass of the oceans thereby raising the level to a new high.
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Beau78907 months, 4 weeks ago
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Mr_Sir, when moisture evaporates and "clouds up" the atmosphere, creating cooling, that same moisture then condenses, creating rain or snow. What you're talking about will cause a global redistribution of precipitation to various places on the planet, not cooling or warming.
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This will cause some areas to become wetter and others dryer than we're used to. Less consistency and increased climate change will create massive migrations of people and animals and new areas of Earth becoming uninhabitable.
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CRYMTYPHON8 months ago
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Michael Moore:
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american filmmaker who first came to prominence with a humorous documentary
"Roger and Me", wherein he tries to chase down a CEO to ask him
basic questions about workers and the American car industry.
Notable also for the film "Farenheit 911" which criticized the Iraq war as unnessesary
and mocked its causes, including the lack of WMD;
a position most of the American people adopted as the war continued.
His more recent work "Sicko" looks at the health care plight of Americans who do have health insurance and why the system is broken for them also
He seems to be focused on all the problems that conservatives have told us to ignore,
Commadore.
Is there something you don't want us thinking about?
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CRYMTYPHON7 months, 4 weeks ago
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And there you have it !
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Those ivory tower egghead scientists never thought of ice in a glass!
Maybe because the ice they are talking about is above sea level ; for now.
And it is true! secret! historical fact that the people of venice build their houses higher every year since its founding in the 5th century. They say it takes weeks to go to
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canadianrancher577 months, 4 weeks ago
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All this talking about ice melting and oceans rising has got me thinking that maybe things are changing, but maybe they are changing back to normal. Lets say we go way back to when the earth was really warm and humid, wouldn't that mean that the oceans were at a very high level at that time since there likely wasn't a lot of ice caps around. Now a great big comet smacks into the earth and stirs up a lot of dust and just about everything else and blocks out the sun which causes cooling and since cool air holds less moisture than warm air we get snowfall which gives us the ice age, then the dust settles out and the world begins a long term warming trend. As the world warms the ice melts and the oceans start to rise, after a long enough period they flooded areas of the world, maybe the flood of the Bible. I am left with one question and that one question is when all the ice is gone and the earth continues to warm will water levels go down as more water ends up in the atmosphere because of the higher temperatures.
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Just in case anyone wonders where all this nonsense is coming from I've had a really long hard day, but it could be something to think about.-
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alakazam7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Antarctica may have been free of Ice a lot more recently than we imagine.
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fjgalt7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here's one report about the lack of rising sea levels. The Maldives were mentioned in Al Gore's scare film where he said they would disappear from rising sea levels. Only in computer models. Real-world data say the Maldives will be around for a long time. Places like Venice are when land sinks, not oceans rising.
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I read where the temperature of Antarctica now, in its summer, is -40F. Since ice melts at 32F, it would take a rise in temperature of 72F for the ice to melt. Even the wildest fears of global warming proponents don't predict that.
XVI INQUA Congress
Paper No. 93-14
Presentation Time: 1:30 PM-4:30 PM
THE MALDIVES SEA LEVEL PROJECT. II: PAST-PRESENT-FUTURE
MÖRNER, Nils-Axel, Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm Univ, Stockholm S-10691 Sweden, morner@pog.su.se.
The Maldives have a uniquely position in sea level research (as discussed in Integrated Coastal Zone Management, No. 1, 2000, p. 17-20). In the last decade, they have attracted special attention because, in the IPCC-scenario, the Maldives would be condemned to become flooded in the next 50-100 years. Our research data do not lend support to any such flooding scenario, however. On the contrary, we find no signs of any on-going sea level rise. Our results comes from visits to numerous islands including extensive work on Hulhudoo and Guidhoo in the north, in Viligili and Loshfuchi (the site of “the reef woman”) in the middle, and in Addu in the south. This includes coring, levelling, sampling and dating (35 C14-dates). Present sea level was reached at about 4500 BP. In the last 4000 years, sea level oscillated around the present in the last 4000 years. At 3900 BP, there was a short and sharp sea level high-stand at about +1.2 m. For the last millennium, a detailed sea level record is established: +0 m 1000-800 BP, +60 cm 800-300 BP, 0 to just below 0 in the 18th century AD, +30 cm 1790-1970 AD, fall to 0 in ~1970 up to today. At about 1970, sea level fell by 20-30 cm (presumably due to increased evaporation). This is recorded in storm level, high-tide level, mean sea level and in lake and lagoon levels (from the north to the south). In the last decade, there are no signs of any rise in sea level. Hence, we are able to free the islands from the condemnation to become flooded in the 21st century.
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fiftynine7 months, 4 weeks ago
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THe entire argument gives me a head ache..Science has proven that the AVERAGE temp. of the world has went up..Living in Iowa..the last couple of years,well the word is average.
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I have mentioned on here before that what i see,and i spend a lot of time in the woods,is that even with bitterly cold winters..some plants are coming up early every year consistently.Plants that only grew in more southern areas are starting to migrate north..I find mushrooms almost a month earlier than i did twenty years ago.My point is that the scientist may be wrong,the politicians might lie..But mother nature doesn't.
Besides that..whats the problem ? Isn't it in our best interest as a civilization to clean our act up..If not for civilization..how about my kids and grand kids ?
In my way of thinking it is a no-brainer.Lets do better,clean up our messes and quit whining about it.-
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pokydoke7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here in New England maple sugaring time was traditionally started in March when the sap started running. Temps during the day went above freezing and below freezing at night. People now start placing sap buckets in early February. Even in the event that global warming is not man made reducing our dependency on fossil fuels will help avoid catastrophe when we run out of them. Cutting green house gas emissions is a win win situation.
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