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Posted By dissent 11 months ago in NewsA study conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has cast doubt over Israel's survival beyond the next 20 years.
The CIA report predicts "an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region."
The study, which has been made available only to a certain number of individuals, further forecasts the return of all Palestinian refugees to the occupied territories, and the exodus of two million Israeli - who would move to the US in the next fifteen years.
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dissent11 months ago
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"There is over 500,000 Israelis with American passports and more than 300,000 living in the area of just California," International lawyer Franklin Lamb said in an interview with Press TV on Friday, adding that those who do not have American or western passport, have already applied for them.
"So I think the handwriting at least among the public in Israel is on the wall...[which] suggests history will reject the colonial enterprise sooner or later," Lamb stressed.
He said CIA, in its report, alludes to the unexpectedly quick fall of the apartheid government in South Africa and recalls the disintegration of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, suggesting the end to the dream of an 'Israeli land' would happen 'way sooner' than later.
Lamb said given the Israeli conduct toward the Palestinians and the Gaza strip in particular, the American public -- which has been voicing its protest against Tel Aviv's measures in the last 25 years -- may 'not take it anymore'.
Some members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee have been informed of the report."-
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Thinker2211 months ago
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> "There is over 500,000 Israelis with American passports and more than 300,000 living in the area of just California," International lawyer Franklin Lamb said in an interview with Press TV on Friday, "
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A pretty interesting statistic, to say the least. First, it means that less than 200,000 Israelis with American passports live in the rest of the world including Israel, Europe and 49 American states besides California. H-m-m-m...
Second, there are at least 6 Millions of Israelis WITHOUT American passports today and this number will, probably, increase by 20% during the next 20 years. According to the article all these 7 to 8 million Israelis without US passports will move to the US which will inevitably requre change of the US Immigration laws regarding Israeli Jews but not regarding any other group of people. This by itself is a pretty racist proposition.
Third, one has to be rather DUMB (and NOT only Lamb) to compare a democratic state of Israel where ALL citizens have the very same rights to either the racist South Africa or totalitarian Soviet Union... but we already know it, don't we?
> Lamb said given the Israeli conduct toward the Palestinians and the Gaza strip in particular, the American public -- which has been voicing its protest against Tel Aviv's measures in the last 25 years -- may 'not take it anymore'.
And then this DUMB Lamb suggested that the angry American public will be willing to take in all those 7 or 8 millions bad Israelis and make them all American citizens....
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Thinker2211 months ago
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No, it's, apparently, International lawyer Franklin Lamb who said in an interview with Press TV stressing that "the study has been made available only to a certain number of individuals" and that "some (but not all) members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee have been informed of the report."
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This brings us to one of the following possibilities: either International lawyer Franklin Lamb was included in the "certain number of individuals" which did not even include all members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee or that this report is no more than another Arabian tale we're all familiar with. -
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JamesMarcus11 months ago
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I know nothing about Franklin Lamb and he's certainly entitled to his opinions about Israeli-Palestinian relations. But if the quoted language comes from a CIA report I'll eat my hat. Completely absurd.
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As for the Israel-South Africa equation, it doesn't hold water for me. I'm not denying that the Israelis have made some terrible, destructive mistakes (including the recent incursion into the Gaza Strip). And yes, there is obviously de facto inequality going on, despite assurances to the contrary in Israeli law. But before you confuse Israel with apartheid-era South Africa, let's recall that Israeli Arabs vote, serve in the Israeli parliament (where they currently make up about ten percent of the total) and on the Israeli Supreme Court. There are also two Arab major generals in the IDF (although they are Druze rather than Palestinian). If you can even imagine the equivalent things taking place in apartheid-era South Africa, then you're not paying attention.-
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dissent11 months ago
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you acknowledge israel's "inequalities" but then proceed to brush them aside with examples of what amounts to tokenism. admittedly, south africa didn't practice tokenism. it's particular application of apartheid was far more direct. with israel, however, the devil is in the detail
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the fact that israel claims to be a "jewish" state and that instant citizenship is granted to people the world over provided they are of the same race while the same privilege is not extended to others, least of all arabs and palestinians, is evidence that the state of israel exists on divisive racist principles. and we support this while finger-wagging to all others who follow suit
this extends to the participation in politics that you presume israel to be so liberal with, as any arab or palestinian living in israel cannot run for politics so long as they refuse to accept the racially "jewish"-dominated nature of israel. given what most arabs and palestinians see happening to arabs and palestinians in the west bank and gaza this is a rather large pill to swallow. those that do would probably be the 10% you speak of.
most people would and should find this "only uncle toms need apply" mentality to non-jews in israeli politics distasteful, especially knowing that our government spends billions every year to support it while finger-wagging to all others who follow suit
you also cite the idf. military service is compulsory in israel however it is not required of arabs and palestinians. once again, this a division between people drawn along racial lines. as a consequence, they do not receive the wide range of benefits, including larger mortgages, partial exemptions from course fees, and preferences for public employment and housing. another one of those benefits includes child benefits which, until 1997, were conditioned -- curiously -- on miitary service, not on the logically obvious socio-economic factors. the discriminatory reasons for this are obvious. the only exception made was for jewish yeshiva students who do not serve but receive the same benefits. and of course, there are other examples of such semantic side-stepping to conceal through confusion israel's apartheid.
so james, it is you who has not paid attention to, or refuse to see, the 500 pound gorilla in the room that says israel is a nation state created and divided along racial lines and all the inequalities that brings. just like apartheid south africa
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Ratskii11 months ago
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The CIA isn't noted for the accuracy of its opinions. I don't think any person can really predict what is going to happen twenty years in the future either.
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Still, if Netanyahu succeeds in forming a government and it carries out some of the discriminatory measures that have been threatened against its Arab citizens, I hope Obama has the courage to significantly lower U.S. aid to Israel. -
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rimbaud11 months ago
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It's just the idea that Israelis will tire of living in a state of siege (viewed as a foreign encampment) among hostile neighbors and emigrate to more hospitable countries, none more so that the USA, and none more welcoming than California. Israel is a movable feast.
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Thinker2211 months ago
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> Israel is a movable feast.
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No more than China or Spain, Rimbaud.
Do you suggest that everyone who dares to live among hostile neighbors (for example, a Black person in a predominantly White neighborhood) should leave his/her home and move in with "more hospitable" friends in predominantly Black areas? If so what will prevent White racists from pushing the Blacks from those areas as well some time in the future?
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