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Posted By Shana4Liberty 9 months, 1 week ago in NewsThe trend of labeling the Islamic religion as “totalitarian” is far too provocative to leave unanswered. Those who argue that Islam, or the Muslim faith, is by its very nature totalitarian turn a semantic gaffe into a pejorative and hostile dogma which, in turn, becomes an article of faith for the avid fans of Fox News. Given the social cost of mobilizing a large segment of the population to fear and abhor Muslims, this error must be addressed.
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Goppy9 months, 1 week ago
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I believe the Islamic Religion is a religion of Peace ...
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... just as Judaism is a religion of Peace ...
... just as Bahai'ism is a religion of Peace ...
... just as Buddhism is a religion of Peace ...
... just as Christianity is a religion of Peace .... .... .... well .... .... .... TRADITIONAL Christianity is a religion of Peace ... the MODERN American Christianity is more a POLITICAL expression.
I guess that happened when Modern Christian Evangelicals RE-INVENTED Jesus into a gun totin, gay bashing, war lovin, health-care-for-kids hatin, pollution lovin expression of Right Wing Laissez-faire.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 1 week ago
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I don't think any religion is the religion of peace.
As long as men run them they are going to be contaminated by the desires of men.
Religion in and of itself is mans way of thinking he is doing the things God wants us to do.
But one can do these things with the wrong thoughts in ones heart and still not be doing as God commands.
I think Jesus Christ is the Lord of Peace. In Him one has peace.
Without Him one has man made rules to make man feel better, to ease the feeling of guilt or emptiness.
To me any man made religion is totalitarian in its goals. For it seeks to enslave a man forever into the untruths of man over the Truths of God.
Now I know this may not be popular. But the truth seldom is.-
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Goppy9 months, 1 week ago
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DOH!!
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You're right.
I was thinking in a vacuum - (something my critics claim to be an invariable circumstance).
I was imagining the CONCEPT of each religion. Each of which is eminently beautiful.
But you are exactly right ... no sooner does a religion emerge than the marketers of proselytization apply various "inducements" to others to 'join-up'.
I've noticed that .. in this country ... in this time ... the technique used by my fellow Christian Conservatives is a subtle message ... some applications of this technique include....
"if you don't become a Christian, you are going to hell."
"Only baby-killers choose to not become Christian."
"Join our Christian Evangelical movement and you too can stop recycling."
"We're Rock Stars for God and we are TRASHIN this planet ... and screw Al Gore! ... yeah ... right on mother f**ker!"
"if you don't become a Christian, you are going to hell."
"Join our Christian movement and you get a free, autographed photo of George W. Bush."
"If you are a guy ... you should know that ... in our Modern Christian Vision ... the man is KING of the home and his woman has to obey him."
"If you are a woman ... feel the freedom of never having to have your own opinion ... or choice."
"if you don't become a Christian, you are going to hell."
"If you join us ... you can tell your smug Catholic neighbors that their religion is for ******." ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA
"Join us ... we believe Global Warming is God's way of smiling on us ... giving us warmer winters."
"You don't want to give your money to GOVERNMENT .... give it to US instead ... Government is the hand-maiden of the debil."
"if you don't become a Christian, you are going to hell."
"If you think you have homersexual tendencies ... your best option would be to join us ... and repress those tendencies."
"if you don't become a Christian, you are going to hell."
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These are just a few of the well branded marketing efforts of the Modern American Christian Conservative Movement.
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Pecossam9 months, 1 week ago
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Goppy,
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In regards to your statement:
"I believe the Islamic Religion is a religion of Peace..." could only be heartfelt from one who hasn't read his Gibbon or other histories on the subject, including Islam's Koran (not piecemeal, but in its entirety).
Your unfortunate misunderstanding and blanket indictment of ALL "Modern American" Christians says more about you than them.
May you find your way out of the moral morass you are presently in, and which causes your confusion.. Good Luck.
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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Since Socratese there has been a notion loose in the land that the biggest, and perhaps the only debt owed to the people by their leaders is justice, whatever justice is. Hitler, Stalin and other tyrants had to convince their populations that their purpose was to establsih justice. This is NOT unusual. Look at Napoleon, HeneryII(England), Caesar. It is not unusual, but it is geographically unique. If you look at truly totalitarian regimes-- the Ottomans, the Byzantines, the Abasids, the Persians, the Khans, the Shogunates-- we see little or nothing about a philosophy of governing except the treatment of the people as some sort of resource. The dividing line is between East & West.
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I know there are some holes in this thinking and I welcome counter-opinions.-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"It is not unusual, but it is geographically unique. If you look at truly totalitarian regimes-- the Ottomans, the Byzantines, the Abasids, the Persians, the Khans, the Shogunates-- we see little or nothing about a philosophy of governing except the treatment of the people as some sort of resource. The dividing line is between East & West."
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You're kidding, right?
Those in the west, such as bloody Mary and the line of Tudor Kings (such as those who killed the Jews and chased them out of England, and who prosecuted and executed Catholics) are somehow better than the Byzantines (who allowed people of different faith traditions to practice their faiths freely)?
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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I notice you always end your comments with a personal insinuation. What does that add to the conversation?
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In response: I didn't say that claims of justice were universal, just not unusual. I also pointed out that in the east I don't even see the pretense of a debt to the ruled by the ruler. There have been benevolent eastern rulers, but always by choice, not obligation. With the possible exception of the Justinian code I know of no Arabic or Persian or Turkik essays on the nature of justice for example.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"I notice you always end your comments with a personal insinuation. What does that add to the conversation?"
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It shows bias. If I had some title to my name like Ghengis Khan, there'd obviously be some bias to my thoughts.
"I also pointed out that in the east I don't even see the pretense of a debt to the ruled by the ruler"
Have you read the Bible? A decidedly eastern text (despite people wanting to believe it's a western text). There's plenty in there about the client-patron relationships between the center and periphery (rulers and 'ruled.').
"I know of no Arabic or Persian or Turkik essays on the nature of justice for example."
The Arabs, Turks, Persians saved the majority of Greek and Roman philosophers' (and mathematicians and historians) texts through copying. Along with the copying was their own exploration of ideas of justice, for example.
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There are the Islamic philosopher al-Ghazzali’s 12th century text Nasihatu l-Muluk (Counsel for Kings) and Nasiruddin Tusi’s 13th century Axlaq-i Nasiri (Nasirean Ethics).
Keep in mind that this region was heavily influenced by: Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism at various times and there were even Buddhist and Hindu kingdoms in what we now think of as Arab lands.
The west often forgets this vast and incredibly diverse history of the east. It's a disservice.-
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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Points well made.
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My reading leads me to believe that the Greek translation movement in the Moslem world ended in about 1000AD and by 1250 reason was held as heretical, and rejected in favor of piety. At that same moment Abelard and Aquinus were planting the seads of sectarian thought which has since put religion in its proper place in Western society.
Al-Ghazzali was banned in Bagdad, wasn't he? My memory is so vague. I'm going to go google and give you a chance to say more if you wish. By they way, have you read "God's Crucible" by Lewis? -
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Dionysus was also Dionysus the Areopagite (pseudo-Dionysus), 5th/6th century author of the neoplatonic work that influenced the Cloud of Unknowing. There was also the 3rd century St Dionysius (or St Denis), not to mention the Greek pantheonic God Dionysius, born from the thigh of Zeus. I don't know of any rulers, excepting Dionysius, ruler of syracuse in the 4th C BCE -- but I can assure you I have no truck with his sense of leadership. Nor, as you can see, do I have a heraldric plaquard of that ruler.
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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I like E-III because he is multidimensional. He struggled to find the right thing to do in the middle of a 100-7ear brawl and a history-changing plague. Compared with his grandad he was sort of enlightened. I confess though, that the avitar is intended as a red flag to rabid bolshevists.
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alakazam9 months, 1 week ago
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My last name means Son of Dion or Deanne...High Priest of Dionysius.
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Really...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/PR/DionMuseum.html-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Very, very cool.
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Have you been to Greece? Wonderful country. I absolutely love the Byzantine churches. And the cyclidic figures.
There's nothing quite as beautiful as one of the smaller Greek islands when it comes to that part of the world.-
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hyperbola9 months, 1 week ago
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I once spent time on Kythera. Served my purpose in avoiding the usual tourist crowds. For lack of hotels, we lived in a converted garage (for backpackers) with a Greek family with whom we could not find a common language - but who invited us to join them for a turkish coffee on their terrace every afternoon at sundown.
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I still remember the Greek grandmothers in their black clothing and shawls (well I have seen those in Ithaca NY too). One of those served me in a tiny village food store - in a broad Melbourne accent. After living for 35 years in the world's second largest "greek" city, she retired to her home village.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
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Yeah blame Fox news, the SOP. Maybe people get that Idea because of the articles of honor killing, stoning or beating women that show their faces or hang out with men or watching videos of Muslims gleefully reveling in the blood lust of carving off someone's head.
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Shana4Liberty9 months, 1 week ago
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Thank you Sumptuous! I don't always agree with everything I post, but in this case I do. I guess it's because I live in a "war-hawk" southern state, but I hear regularly that all Muslims are blood-thirsty haters who want to destroy America. It's wearying. Especially since I have Muslim friends who want nothing but peace.
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RedRiverJ9 months, 1 week ago
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There are evil people that profess to be 'religious' in all religions.
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I have a difficult time getting past the Koran verses that promote killing infidels if they don't believe as Muslims.
Sura 8:60.
"It doesn't matter whether people know what I did," he says. "The only person who matters is Allah--and the only question he will ask me is 'How many infidels did you kill?'"
Ishaq:357 “Their leaders were left prostrate. Their heads were sliced off like melons. Many an adversary have I left on the ground to rise in pain, broken and plucked. When the battle was joined I dealt them a vicious blow. Their arteries cried aloud, their blood flowed.”
Gee Goppy dunno about you but I need my head.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006829.php-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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The "infidels" referred to were groups of marauding pagans attacking Muslims. People of the book (Muslims, Jews and Christians) could never be considered "infidels."
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Here's a quote from a site that isn't, unlike your "jihadwatch" an ideological anti-Muslim site:
1. What are the three biggest misperceptions Americans have about the global Islamic community?
Prof. Juan Cole:
One: If you watch American television, you see the most extreme charges against Muslims set forth by pundits. Some allege that Muslims are inherently violent and commanded by scripture to attack infidels. In fact, the Quran forbids murder and commands Muslims to make peace with people who seek peace with them.
The “infidels” whom the Quran urges the faithful to combat were the militant pagans of ancient Mecca, who had aggressively attacked the Muslims and were trying to kill them all.
The Quran praises the Hebrew Bible and the Gospels as full of “guidance and light,” celebrates the children of Israel, and says that Christians are closest in love to Muslims. Of course, some Muslims are bigoted and manage to ignore those parts of their scripture, but it is not the case that the religion is essentially militant. I’ve gone with Americans to the Middle East, and after a few days they typically come and confess to me that they are amazed at how nice the people are, how kind and generous to foreigners, and how little they resemble U.S. media stereotypes."
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/03/hbc-90004500
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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Religions that succeed never rock the boat. That is to say, religions codify a pre-existing life style. Islam came out of a society in which caravan raiding was part of life. Tribal rivalry to the death, treating females as livestock and bloody revenge were au d'rigeur. Christianity and Judaism also have some hair-raising practices supported in their literature, but reason has modifies the ways these ideas are percieved. Islam made a conscious break with reason in the middle of the 13th century. Only a minority of thinking Moslems have the guts to look forward toward greater goals than serving the idiosyncracies of a long-gone mystic.
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cleare9 months, 1 week ago
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i think it is important to remember that judaism, christianity and islam are all related. kind of like first cousins once and twice removed. jews wrote the old testiment, christians the new and muslims accept both as part of their teachings. it all comes down to saviors. jews don't have one...they're still waiting; christians have jesus christ; muslims accept christ as A prophet of god, but claim that mohammed is the "one true prophet" and i think son of god.
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CHAM9 months, 1 week ago
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Good Post Shana. And here come the bigots from both sides. Torquemada the inquisitor was a Catholic I do believe. Now what were some of you saying about how Christianity changed their focus around the 13th Century? Wasn't Torquemada born in 1420? Yes he was and that means that somewhere close around 1450 the Christian religion was practicing torture to get "unbelievers" to confess their sins and accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Seems like I remember that if the person being tortured would recant and accept Jesus then according to the "crime" the confessor would either be no longer subjected to torture and allowed to live, or the torture would be stopped to allow the confessor to be put to death while in a state of saved by confession ( could go to heaven ).
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Think its time to shut up about how bad Islam is and acknowledge that Christianity can be one of the leading insults to peace?
Its not the religion, its those that make use of it as a weapon. That is on-going in the United States as well as in other parts of the world.
By the way Abraham, Patriarch of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the direct blood line of all three religions. Issac, ancestor of Judaism and Christianity, and Ishmael, ancestor of Islam are both sons of Abraham and both were blessed of God.
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orndorffter9 months, 1 week ago
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Yes very interesting, and so are all the comments. But if you dont mind me saying, I well say with the King James verison of the Holly Bible, Jesus was the son of God and gave his live si that we shall everlasting life and our sins be forgivin in his name, he shead his blood and hung on the cross for us.The Bible tells of these things that are in some comments. I well not down grade someone eleses religion They are free to worshipe the way they want. I well do the same and give the grace of God the glory. I well rejoice for he has made me glad. and I well keep lifting Jesus higher and up for the world to see. He said, "if I be lifed up I well bring all men unto me. what a mighty God we serve.
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Poulenc9 months, 1 week ago
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But most "organized" religions are totalitarian by definition--they admit no other truth than their own for the explanation of...all the things they claim to explain.
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One-think is the point; any admission of the possibility of other truths threatens the faith itself. To maintain and ensure its survival, dogma must hold that there's only one way to know god, be saved, ensure life in the hereafter, have the daily intervention/protection of a caring deity, etc.
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icono19 months, 1 week ago
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I find it interesting that a God that loves his 'creation' would allow that 'creation' to produce religions in his name that can easily promote a deep seated hate of each other in that God's name.
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I've talked to some so called Christians that, in belief, are as vile and hate filled as some of those Radical Muslim Extremists that I have talked to. The only difference between the two groups is that one society, the Christian, is largely controlled by Euro-Centric secular govts that by and large do not condone religious acts of socially codefied violence (as an example; public stoning for adultry) yet on the other hand some, and I repeat some, there are a few Muslim gvts and groups that, either overtly or covertly, do promote acts of codified religious violence (again, public stoning to death for adultry.).
Other than that, there is little difference between Islam and Christianity in the psychological hatred that some, and I repeat some, of the 'choosen of God' from both camps exhibit.-
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willottica9 months ago
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It might be noted that the acts of codified religious violence (using your example of public stoning to death for adultery), are in the Christian code as well as the Muslim. (Leviticus 20:10)
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Since Christianity has not issued statements condemning the laws found in the Old Testament, then surely (despite Jesus' plea for tolerance: "let he who is without sin...") it is not the difference in religion that changes things, but rather the greater influence of secularism in the Western world.
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Klarissa9 months, 1 week ago
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"Dictionary.com defines totalitarian as:
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of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
2. exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
to·tal·i·tar·i·an (t?-t?l'?-târ'?-?n) Pronunciation Key
adj. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: "A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul" (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)
n. A practitioner or supporter of such a government. "
How would you describe a country that imprisons Christians or stones to death a woman who has been raped?-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Well.
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America is a country that imprisons Christians
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Israel is a country where women are stoned by Orthodox Jews for wearing shorts or pants.
So does that mean the two together form a totalitarian state?
But go ahead and explain which of the Islamic countries are totalitarian governments.
Saudi Arabia, our closest ally? Probably pretty close.
China, our 'most favored nation' trading partner? Without a doubt.
Russia, Bush's best friend? Getting back that way.
Iran? Nope.
Iraq? More so under the new government than Saddam's which was decidedly secularized and where women could work and walk around without clothing restrictions.
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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You can argue sophisticly that Christianity is just as ._______ (adjective of your choice) as Islam, but any objective look shows us that the practice of Islam is accompanied by life styles the West left behind centuries ago. In the 9th century islamic scholars condemned "the rational sciences" as a threat to their own teachings. Al-Mamun, Caliph of Bagdad, institued a movement called mutazilism, which was meant to infuse Greek rationalism into Islamic society. The idea backfired and energised his opponents. As a result the Hanbali school came into existance and inspired Wahabism. While Catholic Europe was trying to reconcile reason and faith Islam started closing down the movement to translate Aristotle et all and turned in upon itself.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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" that the practice of Islam is accompanied by life styles the West left behind centuries ago."
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Sure. Which is cultural. The vast majority of practices that "the west left behind centuries ago" are acculturated practices from an honor-shame, collectivist society as opposed to a western, universalist, individualist society.
" In the 9th century islamic scholars condemned "the rational sciences" as a threat to their own teachings."
Yet in the following centuries they preserved and expanded upon the science and mathematics of the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians.
Should we talk about Christianity in the 9th century? I'm not sure you'd really love that. Or in the 17th century where those good Christians hunted witches and burned, drowned, et cetera...?
As Karen Armstrong said, every religion has had its dark periods. She even asserts that the Bible is full of more horrific passages than the Koran, and she's a fairly devoted (and extremely well educated) Christian.-
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
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I have to wonder if immigration to the west by the more progressive muslims has slowed cultural advancement in the middle east. Do the majority who wish to live in a society such as are leave these areas, reducing the chance progress by allowing those fundamentalist to remain in the majority?
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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That's a very, very good question! I would suspect that you're right in that speculation.
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One could, interestingly enough, ask the exact same question regarding the United States, Christianity and the flow of the educated to the coasts.
But -- You're on a good path of inquiry. How do we get those people back to the countries they've left? Rebuild infrastructure, perhaps? Make places safer, instead of more dangerous?
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CHAM9 months, 1 week ago
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icono, I have to agree with you to a certain point. However the majority of our American Christians have absolutely no trouble endorsing the killing of over a million Iraqis, the destruction of their country, the breaking of the ten commandments by our Government, and giving their support even to the support of the atrocities committed by our soldiers in Haditha and Muhammadiyah. I actually saw a comment on here months ago that said the soldiers that raped the 14 year old girl and murdered her family in Muhammadiyah should get a pat on the back.
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When later the Iraqi insurgents captured two of that Company and beheaded them saying they did it as a payback to the soldiers, many people cursed the insurgents, even some of the people that thought the rape and killing was AOK. The plot leader in that rape and killing, the one who shot the girls family including her 8 year old sister and mother and father before they gang raped her, then shot her after they took their turns raping her, well he shot her in the head. Then they burned the bodies and reported killing four terrorists. Months later one of the soldiers ( after the beheadings ) came forward and confessed to the Chaplin that he felt responsible and had a need to confess.
Anyway that ringleader has yet to go to trial. The others have been found guilty and have received life.
The point is, a survey recently found that a majority of the Evangelical Preachers in the United States support Bush and the Iraqi war. A war I might add that didn't have to happen except that Bush and his buddies wanted it to happen.-
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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And you assume that the actions of these hoodlems represents US policy. Do you really believe that or do you just promote the left-wing Democratic party line?
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It's a simple matter to find out what everyone, from Dick Cheney to Bill Clintom said about Sadam and Iraq at the time the war was launched. Both sides of the issue are arguable. Even Bill OReily questions the wisdom of the war, though he supports our quest for victory.
You, on the other hand, seem only interested in propaganda. It makes me wonder about your motives. Some people on this blog show signs of being promoters of America's enemies. It's totally believable that Hugo Chavez, for instance, would get people to make comments like this on American blogs.-
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willottica9 months ago
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And you assume that the actions of these hoodlems represents US policy.
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I don't think he does. Perhaps it is for the same reason that he doesn't think that the actions of Muslim hoodlums represent Islamic teachings. There are bad seeds in every batch.
On the other hand, one can easily see (by watching how the news media in the US treats horrific examples of Muslim atrocities) how propagandists in Islamic countries could use these examples to demonize all Americans and get them to continue fighting against the "evil invaders". Especially because the "invader" part is unquestionably true. The US came, without permission onto their land, and the urge to defend against that intrusion, however benign its intent, would already be strong (just like a teenager rebels against their parents intrusion into their private lives).
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johnhodgson11119 months, 1 week ago
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There is no error, look at the countries that have censorship and rigid moral codes; gee lets count the worst offenders that add religion and government into a theocracy which is a totalitarian state. that's muslin countries and the lack of public discourse and public protest against the church and state. Clearly the article is about 're framing the argument into a different direction, keep it on track' Muslim theocratic states are the harbingers of death today.
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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This world is full of imperfect people, nations and governments. As a African-American and Sunni Muslim convert from Christianity, I can attest to embarrassments and triumphs to both of these groups. Many a bible verse has been ignored to promote totalitarian ideology. Ask any black person 50 years old or older. Ask them about Christian lynching's and castrations, drinking from separate water fountains, police dogs and the general vocabulary that "black" as a people or color was divinely created as inferior to "white". We have more people in prison than China, a country with 5 times our population.
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The bible verse about the "stick in your eye" should apply. Stop all this debate and fix your own "house". There are enough peace lovers of all religions to help ensure that tyranny and wrong doing don't prevail in any of these religious arenas.
There are enough wars and killings in the Islamic world to prove that it is not totalitarian. Believe me, if Iran gets a nuclear bomb, it would use it on another Muslim country well before it even contemplated using it on Americans. This shows that for some, even political and cultural prevalence outweigh Islamic ideology.-
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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You should copy some of that in your bio.
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I'm an atheist but I respect religion. When I hear people like Bill howdoyou spell it Mawr? When I hear him ridicule religion I want to ask him if Malcom X would have been better if he had never discovered Islam.
If it's not too personal, how were you inspired to convert? Clearly you see equal flaws in both beliefs.
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TruthJusticeAmericanWay9 months, 1 week ago
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Islam is both a Religion and Political System and the Political System is BRUTAL. Moral Police in Saudi Arabia beat you and then as you questions. I was there wearing a Claddagh ring AKA Irish Wedding Band, I got ten lashes for it and hauled to the real police. Real forward thinking. We are trying to introduce democracy to Afganistan but just this week a guy got 20 YRS for supporting Equal Rights for Woman.HOW PROGRESSIVE OF THEM.
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I have a few questions for those who say Islam is not Totalitarian or a Tryanny. How many oppostion Papers in Saudi Arabia NONE How many Churches? NONE There is a radical Mosque with in sight of the Vatican and someday soon I can see the JIHADISM attacking that place.Where are the FATWAHs against OBL and AL Queda fast enough to issue you one for Rushie and his Book. Wait that is right Rushie does not bomb innocents like in Bali, I will said this is Spanish to get past the filters, the resson there is not FATWAH. Islam y Los Imams soy Los Hombres sin Los Cojones. they can only kill like cowards with BOMBS and they only beat and kill women-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"I was there wearing a Claddagh ring AKA Irish Wedding Band, I got ten lashes for it and hauled to the real police"
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Really? That's interesting. I heard the same story from what must be a different person.
I guess everyone that's worn a Claddagh ring has gotten ten lashes for it in Saudi Arabia.
Either that or it's yet another myth going around the anti-Muslims web sites.
"ait that is right Rushie does not bomb innocents like in Bali"
Nor, I suspect, does he bomb innocents like in Iraq. Or Gaza.
Then again a "fatwah" can be issued by any jackass imam and isn't some kind of institutionalized command.
"they can only kill like cowards with BOMBS and they only beat and kill women"
You mean like the cowards in the US or those americans who beat and kill women on a regular basis?
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CHAM9 months, 1 week ago
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alamintalib. I agree that there are good and bad in all religions. The great problem with Christianity is that it doesn't admit that it does any wrong.
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And I think that the religious bent in all this is basically a form of denigration of the "target". When a Corporation wants to steal the resources of a country, they get with our government and the PR starts about how badly they treat their people, how godless they are, What a threat they are to America, and once the PR campaign gets the country into a frenzy, we attack that country to "prevent them from attacking us". Kind of like the domino theory about Vietnam. Remember?-
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most_reasonable9 months, 1 week ago
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"alamintalib. I agree that there are good and bad in all religions. The great problem with Christianity is that it doesn't admit that it does any wrong."
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Please post official stances in Muslim countries that admit that Islam does wrong.
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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First, prove this story that "you" received 10 lashes for wearing a wedding ring. What country are you from?
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Secondly, I mentioned the injustices by white Christians on Black people here, I lived that and my family as well, so don't tell me that brutality is an Islamic monopoly.
Thirdly, any people who abuse those under their control or the weak, don't have balls. Yo hablo espanol tambien!
Look for the FATWAHS, there are tons that denounce these acts. These acts are wrong and I tell you as a Muslim that nothing in Islam validates these actions. So please, be fair. These dialogs only work when we have opened our hearts to state the truth.
If you need tons of Islamic sources that denounce terrorism, then I will supply them. anyone here can easily Google this. Please take 15 seconds to do this. Evidentially, that was not your concern.
There are too many people who lack the sincerity to truly seek solutions for all our peaceful existence on this earth. Pessimistic attitudes don't help promote progress.
Just examining these blogs gives me a bleek outlook. I don't understand the sources for such hateful responses.
I will say, all the terrible responses on these blogs always come from backward thinking Christians. God bless the Christians who are kind hearted and overlook their personal beliefs only to state what they observe as truth.
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Pecossam9 months, 1 week ago
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Be it a theocratic totalitarianism or a Stalinistic, political variety, I don't believe matters much to those who suffer under its thumb. An honest reading of the history of Islam would definitely bring one to the conclusion that Islam falls under the broad definition of "TYRANNICAL", and that is all that really matters; not what its apologists say the religion is, but how its actions define it. ANY system (Islam) that would deny to the individual the right to revert to, or newly convert, to another religion (through threat of death) is indeed "TOTALITARIAN" in the negative, despotic meaning the word evokes in the common person. The rest is useless parsing.
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EDWARDIII9 months, 1 week ago
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"ANY system (Islam) that would deny to the individual the right to revert to, or newly convert, to another religion (through threat of death) is indeed "TOTALITARIAN"
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Good point, and the best I can say is that Moslems, especially those in the U.S., are beginning to evolve ways of easing the extremism of their scripture. Of course it will be a long time before Usama Bin Ladin mellows out.-
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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I see faults in human beings, including myself. I see faults at the actions of others, especially if they contradict what they sat that they believe in. It takes "ALL" kinds to make up this world. Even the ignorant have their place. Growing up in the southeast, I have seen the ignorance of southern rednecks and in traveling the west coast, I have seen the ignorance of gangs that kill for colors.
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I converted to Islam because i accepted it core beliefs. Let these people explain "my" religion to you and I should hate the mother that bore me as a Christian. And for that matter, my entire family since all are Christian.
I am not bringing anything different to Islam sinply because I am American. Nor any caucasian woman who converts to islam and puts on a veil.
Yes, Islam effects our political outlook, but, injustice is not a part of that. There is no evolution in Islam, only those who wish not to follow their own desires and emotion, but wish to submit to God's will and be of an asset to all of humanity.
Trust me, it is the Muslims that are aiding and helping to keep other Muslims from wrong doing. Just as other whites and Jews helped to end segregation.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"the extremism of their scripture."
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The extremism isn't in their scripture. Unless you're willing to say the same for Christian scripture.
It is, like in Christianity, in the extremists who twist scripture to fit their hateful ideology.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"ANY system (Islam) that would deny to the individual the right to revert to, or newly convert, to another religion (through threat of death) is indeed "TOTALITARIAN" in the negativ"
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Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:
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You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
You see? You can find horrendous bits in EVERY religion, even the beautiful religion of Christianity. It's only when ideologues twist little bits of scripture out of context (in Christianity and Islam) that you get manifest horrors.-
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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Tell that to the Lord's Resistance Army.
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Or the good Christians calling for the lynching of Obama.
"Interesting quotations from 3000 years ago."
So you're saying that the Bible doesn't count for Christians, but the Koran (again -- something written more than a thousand years ago) counts for Muslims.
What a strange world you live in.
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Mutainia8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sounds like "I'm not a Muslim, yet, defend Islam like it will keep me out of eternal fire" is trying to show that the Quran IS a "reminder and a confirmation of that which went before it" (the Bible) by posting those scriptures. That the Bible IS Allah's word. But, IF the Bible is Allah's word, then Muslims are wrong to say that the Bible has been corrupted, because, according to the Quran (chapter 6 and 10), Allah's words can't be changed. Muhammadans have got a problem here.
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Pecossam9 months, 1 week ago
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Dionys,
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Could you PLEASE send me a link showing the latest suicide-bombing by a Jew or a Christian? I've searched many sources and cannot find examples, EXCEPT for Northern Irish violence, and that conflict is confined to my unfortunate forebear's "old sod" , and not shared with the world, for I've never heard the expression,"Be an Irish-Catholic or DIE!" recently, have you? Even a theocratic Christian or Jewish country that has had a recent public beheading, sentencing of a woman to stoning for the outrage of BEING RAPED, grandmother being sentenced to forty lashes for being ALONE with a cab driver, disallowing the practice of another religion, or even the prohibition of carrying-in a religious text or tract not endorsed by the ruling elite would suffice to absolutely make your point that every other religion is as TOTALITARIAN as Islam. Other Judeo/Christian religions do indeed have their dark histories. BUT most of them have undergone a REFORMATION of one sort or another, which makes all the difference in how they relate to the rest of the world. Islam remains the ONLY religion whose followers many times still state:
"BE A MUSLIM OR DIE!"
Just as they did during the siege of Vienna (once in 1529 and again in 1683) which were VERY close calls for ALL of European/Western Civilization. The old and continuing mess in Serbia's surrounding one-time provinces is DIRECTLY related to the "peaceful religion" of Islam. READ YOUR HISTORY --- then opine, PLEASE!
There IS NO WAY on this Earth that you could possibly hold your expressed opinions regarding Islam, UNLESS you have not SERIOUSLY and HONESTLY studied both the Koran and the history of this "peaceful" religion. Yes, the Koran does have some beautiful passages, but unfortunately, they are not the sentiments being acted upon by the majority of its readers. The mercies and kindnesses mentioned in these passages are to be granted ONLY to fellow Believers. The Koran has no parable of the "Good Samaritan". The Bible, as you correctly pointed out, has many DARK passages, but if you care to notice, the majority of we Christians and Jews choose NOT to act on them, but rather the passages extolling peace, love, and charity; the doing "...unto others as you would have them do unto you".
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"EXCEPT for Northern Irish violence, and that conflict is confined to my unfortunate forebear's "old sod" , and not shared with the world"
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Why the exception? I wonder why people like you are always making exceptions and excuses for Christians and Jews who violate the fundamental understandings and whole picture of Christianity.
""BE A MUSLIM OR DIE!"
Just as they did during the siege of Vienna (once in 1529 and again in 1683) which were VERY close calls for ALL of European/Western Civilization."
Yes. If we're going to bring up the 1500s, perhaps we should look at the Crusades (which continued into that time). You know. Where Christians went into another country to kill or convert all who were there, often ending up killing Jews and Christians rather than Muslims.
"There IS NO WAY on this Earth that you could possibly hold your expressed opinions regarding Islam, UNLESS you have not SERIOUSLY and HONESTLY studied both the Koran and the history of this "peaceful" religion. Yes, the Koran does have some beautiful passages, but unfortunately, they are not the sentiments being acted upon by the majority of its readers."
According to most independent studies, fewer than 5% of Muslims represent extremist muslims, 'right of center.' So your assertion that the majority of its readers are acting in extremist manners are either an intentional lie or an honest, ignorant mistake. Which do you think it is?
"The mercies and kindnesses mentioned in these passages are to be granted ONLY to fellow Believers."
They're reserved for people of the Book, which includes Christians, Jews and Muslims.
"if you care to notice, the majority of we Christians and Jews choose NOT to act on them, but rather the passages extolling peace, love, and charity; the doing "...unto others as you would have them do unto you"."
How's that working in Iraq? Do you really want the Iraqis to come to America, bomb our cities into oblivion, then help us eliminate those of a Christian sect we don't agree with, torture and kill random people and chase millions of us out of our country?-
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Mutainia9 months ago
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"How's that working in Iraq?"
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Mut: It would work great IF Muhammadans didn't bite the hand that was feeding them, seeing American troops as invaders, instead of helpers trying to do good by bringing Democracy to Iraq. Instead, since they have an "us vs them" mentality in their head thanks to being placed IN their head from the Quran, NO long lasting peace will ever COME to Iraq as long as the Muhammadans there truly believe in Islam.
"Do you really want the Iraqis to come to America, bomb our cities into oblivion, then help us eliminate those of a Christian sect we don't agree with, torture and kill random people and chase millions of us out of our country?"
Mut: No, but, American troops HAVEN'T done that in Iraq. Instead, it's more like Iraqis coming to America to free them from Hitler, and, when Americans are set free, Christians then strapping on bombs and blowing up non-Christians in non-Christian markets, churches, and what not and, blaming such evil death and destruction on Iraqis trying to help repair the damage they did in the first few weeks of trying to free Americans from Hitler. But, of course, YOU, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, never will DARE give reasons as to WHY you aren't a Muslim, just defend Islam to the death", will NEVER acknowledge that. How come? Well, I know why you won't, because you are either a Muhammadan, or, you are being paid royally by Muhammadans to constantly try to deny and refute anything critical of Islam like you have been doing.
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Dionys9 months, 1 week ago
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"Could you PLEASE send me a link showing the latest suicide-bombing by a Jew or a Christian?"
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Could you PLEASE explain to me how a suicide bomber killing four people is somehow worse than Israeli or US ("it's a crusade")bombs killing hundreds of innocents at once?-
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Mutainia9 months ago
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It's worse because Israel only retaliates when rockets and mortars are being fired willy nilly into it's neighborhoods from populated neighborhoods in territory, Gaza, Israel traded with Muhammadans in the hopes of achieving peace, but, again, only got rockets and mortars fired at it. Of course YOU, being a Muhammadan, or, something being paid royally BY Muhammadans to keep on defending Islam no matter HOW much you say you AREN'T a Muslim, will never acknowledge that.
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By the way, IF America kills hundreds of innocents at once, it's either an accident, or, those innocents weren't innocent.
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willottica9 months ago
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Could you PLEASE send me a link showing the latest suicide-bombing by a Jew or a Christian?
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Why does it have to be a suicide bombing? Why not just a regular bombing that kills innocents but the bomber gets away?
Don't you think that being willing to die for one's beliefs shows a little more courage and conviction than just being willing to kill for them?
If you think that suicide bombings are such a terrible thing, perhaps you should send money to Muslim extremist organizations so that they can buy better technology and kill from a distance instead?
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Mutainia9 months ago
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The difference between the Kuran and the Bible, when it comes to spouting things that sound incredibly evil and intolerant, is that in the Bible, God commands the Hebrews to kill those people for THAT time. In the Quran, on the other hand, you have 9:1-5 and 9:29, which sounds like something that was not ONLY history (like the Bible), but, something that can STILL go into effect when Muhammadans become strong in number. Of course, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, will defend to the death Islam like someone defending something dear" won't ever admit to that, WILL you, Dionys?
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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The joke here is that every negative response is "totalitarian" in every aspect. How can you give an answer without sounding totalitarian? What is your solution for me?
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All ideologies are totalitarian because all feel they are the best or most correct. Many of the self taught ignorant on these blogs feel Muslims should just convert or die or leave. Convert to what? Die to allow what to thrive? If they leave, does that mean there will be no more invasions or occupations?
Give me a non-totalitarian answer and I will accept it. Otherwise, find common ground and live together.
I have lived in the Middle east. Talk to typical Americans who have lived in places like Dubai or Oman. Gather enough experience to validate your responses. Calm your hearts and think ,with real knowledge, not Poduck county, redneck, barbershop, Fox news educations.
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moonomelet9 months, 1 week ago
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1.religion is neither a form of government nor a culture. 2.Fundamentalists are usually the ones most hate-filled and "righteous", no matter what religion they come from. These are the ones who become terrorists. Also, they suddenly want to get rigid control of women's lives and bodies, so that women are oppressed and suffering.
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3.If you make fundamentalists miserable (say, by killing them, mistreating them, and tearing down their houses while trying to settle your own people in their lands in violation of international law), you are screwing with people who have nothing left to lose.
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Icantwait9 months, 1 week ago
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People, People, don't worry about those low life Muslims. We are going
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to stamp them completely out. Let's face it all religions are a little
off the wall. We are already trying to do something about the Catholic
religion. We started in Connecticutt of which we faced a little
opposition but as time wears on the people will forget about our
efforts and we can reinstitute our plans. Muslims, Hindus,Jewish,
Catholics, even Protestants. We will stop at nothing. Oppose us and
you oppose the Obama faction. Religions are rich, Sports programs are
rich, Hollywoood and Hollywood stars are rich, Ceo's are rich. All
that excessive money should go to the poor on Welfare (Public
Assistance) and we will see to it. It's time we reversed rolls and let
the people who deserve it get what is coming to them. We have the power
to set things straight once and for all. Please everyone that has been
living off the mercy of the system let us know what you need. We will
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Poulenc9 months, 1 week ago
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I don't see why it's so hard to comprehend: totalitarianism/authoritarianism is, no matter where found, in whatever religion or government, just that.
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"They" have no monopoly on it; neither do "we." The very act of trying to blame the other is a manifestation of the the kind of dichotomous thinking that's a big part of the one-think problem.
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Calypso5619 months, 1 week ago
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Islam is NOT totalitarian? REALLY?!!! "CONVERT OR DIE", THAT'S not totalitarian? WOW!!! Seems kinda one sided to me. You either convert to their religion or get your head lopped off. Total opposite of Christianity, which IS about peace.
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most_reasonable9 months, 1 week ago
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While there have been excesses and anti-democratic stances of most religions in the past, the excuse of their existence 1000-3000 years ago does not abrogate the current thrust of Islam that is mostly non-democratic but rather theocratic or dictatorial in nature.
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The Mullahs of Iran have stopped honest and open elections and have the "religious" police crack down on any effort toward a true democracy as heretical. The same is true of the Saudi Theocracy, the Syrian and Egyptian strongmen who fear the rise of theocracies in their countires.
In Pakistan this week a journalist was SENTENCED to 20 years in jail for suggesting that women should have civil rights. When his lawyer came to court for the trial, it was explained that the trial was already over without him and that the sentence was already made.
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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No one ever reacts to the practices of Christian totalitarianism in America. They shove it under the rug as "past" history, as if all history is not in the past. Black people do not respond to these type of blogs because we have millions of people living today who can bear witness to terrorism in their own towns and homes. Regardless if a few or not.
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How many buffalo were killed just to starve out the native Americans?
Yes, there are fanatics in every creed. Do you see people flocking to move to Iran or Saudi or Korea or Venezuela for that matter. I am a convert Muslim and I am not packing my back, why not? It's not economic and certainly as an American I get treated well around the world.
Again, Islam is still the fastest growing religion among caucasians in American, and all gropus for that matter.
Recent Christian history discredits these rants. Fix your house first.
How many "witches" have been killed or "heretics" or "devil children" because they were deformed by Christians. How many protestants for that matter. For every unjust act you show Muslims doing, I can show many unselfish acts. I see it EVERYDAY. Why do you think American are still converting after 9/11? Because they find out that the Muslim world is NOT united in wrongdoing.
I grew up in the 60's in the south. Don't come to me about terror. I have relatives who were removed from their own homes andhung from trees in their own yard and gentials removed by "Christians" in the name of that religion. Your hollow talk does not erase living history.
Why do you think Black people don't listen to this stuff about Christianties "good nature" while they bash the actions of some Muslims as the core practice of ALL Muslims?
You are only preaching to the choir. Your audience is only people who have never suffered or traveled. You would never suffer any harm at the hands of Muslims I know.
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Mutainia8 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, you became a Muslim because "Christians" treated blacks and Native Americans poorly? Did you know that in Quran 4:24 slavery is not only allowed, but, a Muslim slave master can have sex with his slave women who are already married, making null and void ANY gripe African Americans have toward the time Christian American had slavery? And, there is a great possibility that it's MORE than "sex", but "RAPE" in fact. READ Quran 4:24, and, you might want to go back to Christianity IF you are as you keep saying you are, a black man living in America.
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alamintalib9 months, 1 week ago
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Too many hate to admonish that Muslims are dying at the hands of Muslims far greater than any people. And not because they want to "change" their religion. It is not the religion, it is political.
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Be thankful and greatful, just as good caucasians and Christians helped to protect colored people in America from fanatical Christians, some giving their lives,so are Muslims working to retard fanaticism and jihadist from doing their injustices and are dying.
It certainly is not you bloggist shedding blood. You only wish to spread your totalitarian ideologies. Trying to fan the fires that burn the desire trust in human nature and cover the trails showing the path to your own agendas.
Pray and thank your God that "practicing" Muslims have Islam. It is Islam that keeps them from injustices against others or their own.
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alamintalib9 months ago
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With all the mass shootings by Christians going on at home right now, at homes, parks, churches and work places, I think a Christian suicide bomber is not far away on our on soil.
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I expect you will have a headline of that manner soon enough.
So , again, straighten up your own house FIRST.
If you need some stories about murder in the name of religion, come by my 70 year old Christian mothers house for dinner and she will give you plenty of stories first hand.-
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Mutainia8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I disagree. IF Christians start hijacking planes, shouting "Jesus is Great!" before slamming them into Dubai towers, I'll be thinking, "WHAT part of the Bible could they be following that would have them acting like they are following Quran 9?
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