Bill Would Require Presidents to Submit Birth Certificates - Political Machine »
Posted By TimALoftis 11 months ago in Political NewsFreshman Congressman Bill Posey (R-FL) has introduced a bill in the House that would require future presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate to prove that they are natural-born citizens in order to qualify to run for the office. Rep. Posey says that the bill is not aimed at President Barack Obama, who continues to be the subject of rumors about the circumstances of his birth, but is intended to remove all doubt surrounding future presidents.
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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Hmmm.. what about Cesarean section...would that make a person un-naturally born?
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MACBETH
Thou losest labor.
As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air
With thy keen sword impress as make me bleed.
Let fall thy blade on vulnerable crests;
I bear a charmèd life, which must not yield
To one of woman born.
MACDUFF
Despair thy charm,
And let the angel whom thou still hast served
Tell thee, Macduff was from his mother's womb
Untimely ripped!-
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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http://www.nps.gov/pub_aff/pres/trivia.htm
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Jimmy Carter, 39th President: 1977-1981
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/immigration/2008/...
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"Only one president was the son of two immigrant parents: Andrew Jackson. Five presidents ([Thomas] Jefferson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover) had just one immigrant parent each." -
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_childbirth
"Natural Childbirth is a philosophy of childbirth that is based on the notion that women who are adequately prepared are innately able to give birth to their child, without external intervention."
Hmm..kind of makes me think of granola or yogurt...or even TOFU (I hate TOFU!). -
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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Aw man! Klarissa you negged me!
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Just having a little fun…..
I am just a dumb carpenter, but my Mom is a Shakespearean scholar (among other things).
Macbeth could not be killed by anyone born a woman.
Macduff was not naturally born so he went ahead and killed him.
The etymology of the word Cesarean section is tenuous….but…
“ The link with the Roman dictator Julius Caesar, or with Roman Emperors generally, exists in other languages as well. For example, the modern German, Danish, and Dutch terms are respectively Kaiserschnitt, kejsersnit, and keizersnede (literally: "Emperor's section").[8] The German term has also been imported into Japanese (????) and Korean (?? ??, ?? ??), both literally meaning "emperor incision." The South Slavic term is carski rez, which literally means caesarean cut. The Arabic term (????????) also means pertaining to Caesar or literally Caesarean.”
So it may be a silly argument…but not that silly.
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flyonthewallzz11 months ago
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If we are going to get technical here....
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(pretend for a minute...that I have not seen Obama's birth certificate.. and the folks at his hospital are lying. How many of our past presidents actually had a birth certificate?)
Maybe we should look at some of the Article 1 stuff...
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to....
clause 1...lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; (this makes me wonder about the state tax deduction. Wouldn't it mean that if folks that deducted there state tax, in high tax states not pay uniformly?)
Clause 5...To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; (shouldn't they have amended to allow for the private FED?)
Clause 6...To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; (The Secret service is now part of Homeland security and no longer part of the Treasury department. I do not understand how congress can meet this challenge,the edges seem to have gotten fuzzy.)
Clause 7..To establish post offices and post roads;(just something for libertarians to think about)
Clause 10..To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; (Just something for Unitary executive theorists to think about)
Clause 12..To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; (I do not know of an amendment that replaces militias with long term standing armies.)
Section 9. places limits on congress...
clause 7...No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.(I think they have been stretching the time to time thing, and disregarding the "ALL" thing.)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constituti...
I did skip some stuff..I am cool with a navy, Air Force, and Marines, But I do think the founding fathers had some concerns about standing armies.
I also think that it is pretty clear that congress is supposed to regulate business.
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jakesguile11 months ago
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Wow did you guys see that poll on their site? How misleading was that?
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"Should Presidents have to prove citizenship?"
Yes - the bill is a good idea
No - The Bill is a distraction
That's deceptive, they're asking two questions, whether someone believes Presidents need to prove citizenship (yes) and whether we need this bill (no). Don't trust AOL. -
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NoWayMan11 months ago
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really? still flailing away with the birth certificate?
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are the cons really this impotent?
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."
- Hawaii Dept of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, speaking to the St. Peterberg Times in June, 2008 about Barack Obama's birth certificate. -
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Beau789011 months ago
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I don't see any problem with having presidential candidates submit proof of citizenship (which is how the question in the poll at the bottom of thet article is worded) to run. (In fact, I'd be surprised if there was no such requirement already.) Most of us have to submit proof of citizenship in order to be hired at American companies.
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Having said that, anyone who doubts Obama's citizenship can refer to any of the numerous articles written about the fact that he did indeed have his birth in Hawaii certified. -
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Klarissa11 months ago
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NoWay, to quote from
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Hawaii Dept of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, speaking to the St. Peterberg Times in June, 2008 about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount
By Reuven Koret June 28, 2008
Suspect Obama birth certificate, not showing required official seal, signature nor certificate number.
A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
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Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount
By Reuven Koret June 28, 2008
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Suspect Obama birth certificate, not showing required official seal, signature nor certificate number.
A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."
So where is that birth certificate? It got lost? The dog ate it? No matter. Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. But more than two weeks have passed since the Obama campaign adopted the suspect, uncertified image of a purported birth document published by a left-wing blog Daily Kos, and nothing certified and nothing on paper has since has been forthcoming. Nor has there been any official comment about the issue from the campaign. They may cling to the hope -- however audacious -- that the one issue that could disqualify their man constitutionally from gaining the presidency will just go away.-
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Klarissa11 months ago
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Amy Hollyfield of the St. Petersburg Times, and a reporter for the paper's "Politifact" blog, said that she has been seeking the birth certificate "for months." She was frustrated: "Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled."
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Finally, the campaign released the image (resembling the one at the top of this article). Hollyfield e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days. She could not refer to Obama's specific case, she said, because no one but an authorized family member can do so. But she did confirm that a valid "certification of live birth" would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification.
Maybe so, but all the certificates we have seen have the embossed imprint clearly visible, as well as horizontal fold marks.
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Klarissa11 months ago
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We got an email yesterday from Bryan Suits who has a radio show on KFI Los Angeles. He writes:
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"I have just received my State of Hawaii certified birth certificate for my 1964 debut on the planet earth. It looks....nothing like Obama's. We've scanned it at 72dpi, 300dpi. Nuthin. We can't make the emboss disappear. Also, we can't make THE FOLDS disappear!! How did FightTheSmears do it?
I got curious when I compared his (with the 2007 date bleed) to my old beat-up1986 copy. then I went online on June 13 and ordered the thing. It got here yesterday tri-folded in a state of hawaii envelope. I called the State and asked if I could get an unfolded copy. No dice. -
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Klarissa11 months ago
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A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature.
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Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
Note that Hollyfield said:
"Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."-
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Will131311 months ago
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There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.
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And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
since you put in the St. Petersburg Times.. and by the way they do EXCELLENT investigative reporting...
the above statement is from their article....
and it basically ends with the premise that PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE LOONEY TUNES..
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memestryker11 months ago
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Right or wrong, if the state says it's valid, I don't see that there is any recourse, since challenges failed in the courts.
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The situation is unfortunate, whatever the truth is, and such a law may at least prevent it from happening again.
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lloydm6511 months ago
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Why all this crap about a birth certificate.Remember this guy is from Chicago.Theres nothing there that is what it seems.This city that holds so much sway in America, is little more than a hole in the wall gangster refuge.Obama is not the worse from there, but he close.Where he was born means little to me,I just can,t wait for his exit,I'm going to sleep a lot that will cut his term somewhat.I see the American people are having buyer's remorse sooner than I expected,I voted for America First.
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JEBUS0811 months ago
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no possible way in hell Rove, Cheney and the rest of the Klan would have given away power to someone who was not born in the US
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Fox News would never let up if there was an validity to this argument
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