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Posted By RedRiverJ 8 months, 1 week ago in NewsThe biting winds of change are blowing through ObamaNation. The same “volunteerism” that kept America running since the days of its founding, wiped out with the stroke of a pen, will no longer be volunteerism. It becomes forced labor and like the practice of another era, presses American citizens of all ages and creeds, unknowingly into military service.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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HR 1388 is in the Obama stealth mode, quietly but certainly on it's way to becoming law, and yes American citizens it's all being done behind your backs. What is HR 1388?
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Check out the congress website and read it all for yourself.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url...-
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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This bill is sponsored by Carolyn McCarthy NY Democrat with 25 democrat co-sponsors all Democrats, including Charlie Rangel. Latest major actions; 3/11/2009 house committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Ordered to be reported (ammended) by the yeas and Nays 34-3.
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The Government has the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service. It talks about uniforms and “camps.” They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.” There is language about Seniors and Community organizations.-
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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"The Government has the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service. "
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It does no such thing! This is a reauthorization of a bill originally passed back in 1990. It updates some wording and revises some eligibility provisions, but it is NOT setting up work camps or assembling a private Obama army.
This is fulfilling a campaign promise to re-vitalize and revamp the volunteer system. There is nothing 'sinister' about it.
"They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.”"
Revise? Golly, I always thought programs on university or college grounds were appropriately referred to as 'campuses'.
Just more fear-mongering. Let's try to grow up (just a little?).
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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http://www.americorps.org/
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Here is the catalyst.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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Some language in the Bill is particularly disturbing like:
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“leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges;
encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;
expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;
increase service opportunities for our Nation's retiring professionals
encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities
Civilian Community Corps shall be called the "National Civilian Community Corps"
the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms"
Take note of the Miscellaneous Section (Title VI) of the Bill. Very Strange!!!
Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal. -Sec. 602. Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to Democracy.-
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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RedRiverJ, there is nothing in here about mandatory ANYTHING. It's an expansion of volunteering opportunity.
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"the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms""
Uniforms? The NCCC has uniforms NOW, always has. It helps those in need of assistance identify the participants, kinda like Wal-Mart.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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'SEC. 115. PARTICIPATION OF STUDENTS AND TEACHERS FROM PRIVATE SCHOOLS.'
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(a) In General- To the extent consistent with the number of students in the State, territory, or Indian tribe or in the school district of the local educational agency involved who are enrolled in private nonprofit elementary and secondary schools, such State, Territory, Indian tribe, or agency shall (after consultation with appropriate private school representatives) make provision--
(1) for the inclusion of services and arrangements for the benefit of such students so as to allow for the equitable participation of such students in the programs implemented to carry out the objectives and provide the benefits described in this part; and
(2) for the training of the teachers of such students so as to allow for the equitable participation of such teachers in the programs implemented to carry out the objectives and provide the benefits described in this part.
(b) Waiver- If a State, Territory, Indian tribe, or local educational agency is prohibited by law from providing for the participation of students or teachers from private nonprofit schools as required by subsection
(a), or if the Corporation determines that a State, Territory, Indian tribe, or local educational agency substantially fails or is unwilling to provide for such participation on an equitable basis, the Chief Executive Officer shall waive such requirements and shall arrange for the provision of services to such students and teachers. Such waivers shall be subject to the requirements of sections 9503 and 9504 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 7883 and 7884).
Please contact your Elected Officials and demand that they oppose HR 1388.
THIS MUST BE STOPPED!
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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HOUSE http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtm...
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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I received a u-tube that suggested that we start phoning our opinions and "take back" the country.
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This is the number, so far toll free. Pass it on, we need to let them know how we feel.
You can contact any Senators’ D.C. offices by calling the toll-free switchboard at 1-866-340-9281 Calling after hours, at night, or on weekends can be the most efficient way of making those calls. No busy signals, no rude/ignorant interns, just in-and-out in two minutes.
When the voice mail message comes on, quickly hit the # key and you will go immediately to voice mail. Sometimes you’ll need to press 1 to get to the voice mail.
You’ll have 1:20 to get your message across.
If you are having trouble getting through the Capitol switchboard to express your opinion about the Bush-Kennedy shamnesty, there’s a special hotline number you might like to try.
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)-
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not2needy8 months, 1 week ago
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LMAO, that's rich, now after years of complaining about Hispanics, you're listing a phone number for Spanish speaking people!
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AND where was your concern for taking back the country when Bush was illegally wire tapping Americans phone lines, disregarding the Geneva Convention, ignoring the Constitution??
More fear mongering from the right. They really need to get a new tactic, this one is worn out.
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k9kssr8 months, 1 week ago
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I've done LOTS of volunteer work during my lifetime and this is NOT "volunteerism". It isn't even the military draft. It is much more sinister and evil appearing.
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Here comes the '60's again....HELL NO I WON'T GO!!
I wonder who they expect to put on these "campuses"? Movie stars, millionares, politician's kids? NO....those people were always able to buy their way out of the draft, if they wanted to, when we had it. The hard-working, law-abiding middle class will be the target to turn into good little worker bees while dopey's, gangbanger's, criminals and non-US citizens will not be required due to being too disruptive or ineligible for some "reason".-
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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Okay, show me where in the bill there is ANYTHING about mandatory service.
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The NCCC is a long standing volunteer organization that provides college funding for participants who complete 1700 hours of various forms of community service.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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Exactly. No wonder the communists are happy!
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here's a link to track the bill.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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Here is another scary story.......
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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"By their usual activities, one would think they were no more than a "Boy Scout" organization: their meetings were often and regular, they learned inspiring songs, went camping, had field trips and activities and met for large rallies. The "Hitlerjugend", or "Hitler Youth" Party was far more than just a wholesome young people's activities agency: it was the para-military training bed for a generation of soldiers and "True Believers" for the Third Reich.
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The Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth grew early out of existing German boys and girls associations. In 1926, on National Party Day, before Hitler had taken office as Chancellor and President, the formal Youth Party was founded with only about 300 members.
Before the War years were out, the number would grow to close to 9 million, due in large part to the compulsory membership requirement established in 1940.
This requirement mandated that all children (but particularly boys) belong to the HJ, giving the Third Reich complete control over the generation to come." -
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k9kssr8 months, 1 week ago
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And the mention of Indian tribes was interesting. I need to consult with a friend of mine who is much more involved with Indian affairs than I am. But, she once told me that on certain reservation lands (yes, some Indians still live on reservations), local and state police have no authority, actually, the Feds don't either....it is tribal law. Anyway, taking Indian children from their parents to live on "campuses" will not go over well....it's been done to them in the past to "acclimate" them to white culture. Gonna be a big blow-up there if that actually happens. Talk about "taking back the country"!!!
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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no it's not...........you were drinking the kool aid for years.........now you wake up and realize that stare over to the stranger that is sleeping next to you and FINALLY realize that the HOT BABE that you were talking to last night..............well...........guess what she's not too hot, and she's all yours for the next 4 years.......SUCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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I posted this almost 6 months ago....apparently he is going to go through with it. amazing that he has kept this under the rug for so long
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CNN Video: Obama call for service to the Government from every single American youth.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/01/cnn-vide...
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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I remember the stink the right made over this, claiming Obama was forming his own private militia.
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I have no problem with 1 year mandatory national service, as long as the military is not the only option and as long as there are exceptions made for high-demand careers and for family hardship.
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slate8 months, 1 week ago
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His well funded militia?
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Now you guys know that I'm not the conspiracy type, but let's say I have the mindset of those that come into the 6/11 threads. What would they think if you removed the name Obama and then replaced it with Bush here.
Not only will he have his personal army he can say he has now completed the second amendment and start confiscating citizens guns.
Then you start thinking, what the heck are all those FEMA camps for?
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GehlLady8 months, 1 week ago
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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"What would they think if you removed the name Obama and then replaced it with Bush here."
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Ironically enough, Bush (GHW, that is) was the original name associated with the bill when it first passed in 1990. I don't recall ANYONE hollering Bush 41 was creating his own private militia or forcing people into work camps, even from us folks on the left.
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Wolfie20078 months, 1 week ago
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I don't think this is Constitutional as the Constitution calls for another citizen army called the militia. Btw, militia members are required to bring their own arms and ammo to the fight. According to the stuff I keep reading about guns and ammo being sold in record amounts I'd say the militia is arming up right now. lol
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jovial8 months, 1 week ago
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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The brains behind HR 1388
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Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY]
Cosponsors [as of 2009-03-17]
Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter [D-NH]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Phil Hare [D-IL]
Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D-MD]
Rep. Paul Tonko [D-NY]
Rep. Steve Driehaus [D-OH]
Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D-NY]
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
Rep. Robert Andrews [D-NJ]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI]
Rep. James McDermott [D-WA]
Rep. Chaka Fattah [D-PA]
Rep. David Price [D-NC]
Rep. Joe Sestak [D-PA]
Rep. Thomas Perriello [D-VA]
Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D-OH]
Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH]
Rep. David Wu [D-OR]
Rep. Joe Courtney [D-CT]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL]
Rep. Donald Payne [D-NJ]
Rep. Rubén Hinojosa [D-TX]
Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY]
Rep. Martin Heinrich [D-NM]
Rep. Peter Welch [D-VT]
Rep. Rosa DeLauro [D-CT]
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D-OH]
Rep. Jason Altmire [D-PA]
Rep. Jared Polis [D-CO]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]
Rep. Mazie Hirono [D-HI]-
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jovial8 months, 1 week ago
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The Committee on Education and Labor has 30 Democrats and 19 Republicans. The vote was 34-3. Which means that it was pretty much voted out of committee NOT along party lines. Now after the Republicans that voted for it are taken to the woodshed, It will go back to a partyline vote.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi...
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This speaks of salaries, grants etc. This has been in the works for a LONG TIME. So this is more than a passing thought. -
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stephen-johnson8 months, 1 week ago
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All of the pundits who assured us that the "pragmatic" Obama - the most liberal member of the senate - would govern from the center once he assumed the presidency are eating piles of crow. What were they thinking? A leopard doesn't change his spots.
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Sooner or later, the larger public will realize that Obama is no moderate. Given all the overreaching being done both by Obama and his Democratic surrogates, it will be sooner.-
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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Now in the real world:
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This is a reauthorization of a bill originally passed back in 1990 (um, wouldn't that have been under George H W Bush?). It updates some wording, revises some eligibility provisions and changes some funding, but it is NOT setting up work camps or assembling a private Obama army.
This is fulfilling a campaign promise to re-vitalize and revamp civil volunteer organizations like AmeriCorps. There is nothing 'sinister' about it.
Just more tin-foil-hat fear-mongering.
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stephen-johnson8 months, 1 week ago
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All of the pundits who assured us that the "pragmatic" Obama - the most liberal member of the senate - would govern from the center once he assumed the presidency are eating piles of crow now. What were they thinking? A leopard doesn't change his spots.
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Sooner or later, the larger public will realize that Obama is no moderate. Given all the overreaching being done both by Obama and his Democratic surrogates, it will be sooner. -
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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Okay, here's you first clue as to the objectivity of this article:
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From the author's bio: "Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck."
Here's the second:
"The biting winds of change are blowing through ObamaNation."
Anyhoo. The article insists people will be pressed into forced labor with dandy phrases like, "It becomes forced labor and like the practice of another era, presses American citizens of all ages and creeds, unknowingly into military service." and "The National Civilian Community Corps is year-round and will impose itself on children away at summer camp."
The author never sites the portion of the bill that outlines this. There is a reference to a redline version of a section having to do with the Civilian Community Corps. She makes a big deal out of changing the language from 'camps' to 'campuses', without ever telling the reader that the 'camps' language comes from the original bill passed during the George HW Bush administration.
For those of you on the more, shall we say, deliberately clueless side: the NCCS has been around for about 16 years. It's a program that provides participants with college money after they finish about 1700 hours of community service. Participants are located in 'camps' or 'campuses' because they go where the need is: fire fighting, disaster relief, environment, education, etc. -
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jovial8 months, 1 week ago
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Look at all the conservatives on here running. Proclaiming the cysts on their behinds, because the country asks them to do some service. Running around calling liberals cowards for condemning the needless war in Iraq, but when asked to serve their country we get the replies seen here. Yearning for GWB to be back in office, so they can support a surge of which when asked to serve and be a part of, they bray like mules and obstruct as they have become such masters at doing. You should all be ashamed. This is a dark era in American history. The day that we were asked to serve and some of us refused like cowards.
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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I have to say, the rabid right is sawing away on the limb they're a'settin' on. This is a pretty innocuous bill encouraging (not forcing) both the young and the elderly to get out there and volunteer for something, and it looks like it has strong bipartisan support. Don't we WANT people to be more involved in their communities and their country? Don't we WANT people to have a civil service option other than the military? Don't we WANT more young people to be able to go to college?
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All this knee-jerk paranoid talk about Obama's private militia and forced labor camps will further marginalize these folks into the lunatic fringe.
Saw away, y'all. Saw away.
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