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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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thanks for posting this article np.
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i've been pondering these thoughts myself lately. the way i see it we, as a species, have three big time major league interwoven problems to deal with that won't wait until tomorrow, as we've dragged our feet more than long enough, and only serve to contribute to and magnify each other
1. a global economic crisis that threatens global security in a way that fly-swatting terrorists could never come close to. the instability sets the stage for wars and more wars
2. an environmental disaster that is turning, much faster than we imagined, our until now very obliging planet into an inhospitable hostile terrain. the result will, as it already is in some regions, cause huge population shifts in search of food, water and better climes..... which sets the stage for disease, wars and more wars
3. a population increasing at such a rapid rate that our until now very accommodating planet will be heavily taxed, by us, in every possible way to simply provide food and shelter for all of us. water, not oil, will soon become for all of us, as it already is in some parts of the world, our most sought after resource..... the desperation will set the stage for disease, wars and more wars.
disease and wars, however, will accelerate our problems and project us all into a future we can't and won't want to imagine. they do however have a way of "thinning the herd."
so although we can discuss and academically argue the ethically ambivalent considerations of such a distasteful notion, mother nature has a way of sorting things out in her own way in order to restore balance. as she does and has done with any plague or infestation..... including us.
perhaps we should just leave it up to her and await our inevitable fate :|-
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lvrofwolves9 months, 2 weeks ago
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We have and use population control on almost everything, except us.
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We require license and testing for many things, some even not that important, we require tests and license for those teaching our children or caring for our children,our babies food, clothes, toys etc.. yet there is no license or test required to do one of the most important things in life, bring another life into the world. In some ways I feel that would be wrong, but in other ways I feel it would be the responsible thing to do...I feel conflicted.
Is it really wrong to want a 'cap'?
A good percentage are outraged about Octomom for example....I am and I know many here were also. Is thinning the herd the same as limiting the amount of children one brings into the world? if that limit was for EVERYONE?-
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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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i'm in full agreement with you. now imagine how much more complex the problem gets when you go global. the countries with populations exploding as we speak are india and china.
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china has its one child policy in place in an effort to control this but it will create all kinds of instability in the future, given the chinese preference for sons over daughters, horror stories have come out about abandoned and brutalized daughters while an inevitable male-dominated population traveling abroad for brides appears to be the future. india has no such controls and is so culturally and literally chaotic it's impossible to achieve uniformity and consistency with just the power supply or train schedules let alone population control.
as unethical as it may be, i really wouldn't be surprised if governments, at some stage, start surreptitiously introducing some kind of birth control into the drinking water to try and rein it in. a drastic measure, but outside of that, i really can't see the world achieving consensus on this matter as some nations are likely to be penalized and disadvantaged while others will find opportunity....
as you can see, this is an even more complex and difficult problem to solve than climate change or the economic crisis.-
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globalwarmer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"as unethical as it may be, i really wouldn't be surprised if governments, at some stage, start surreptitiously introducing some kind of birth control into the drinking water to try and rein it in."
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You mean a poison like fluoride?
The best defense to overpopulation is education. And if every couple had only two kids (which I think is plenty) and every kid reached full maturity, they would replace their parents when they died and the population would be maintained if they also continued to have 2 children per couple.
I don't believe we need negative growth in our own country but I know there are many neglected children, perhaps there would be less neglect if the parents weren't overwhelmed with too many kids to care for.
We live in a different society today where you don't need 12 kids to maintain the farm.
As long as we live in a free society, we should be able to decide for ourselves how many children we want but you better be able to take care of them and be sure they are educated, disciplined and not a burden to society. If you cant, you have no business making kids.
When you factor in that the herd is constantly being thinned by our diet, accidents, wars, violence and un foreseen circumstances, maybe 2.3 kids per couple would be better.-
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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The best defense to overpopulation is education."
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i agree but it's easier said than done. the problem is not a national one, it's global.
some education -- religion -- especially in poorer nations, some already over-populated, actually encourages more birth, not less. some countries encourage more births, fearing failure should there be a decrease.
regardless of how many deaths there are and for whatever reasons, if you check out this link, you'll see there are still 3 more births, on average, to every death
http://breathingearth.net/-
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globalwarmer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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It would be nice if the whole world could be educated but for now I'll settle for trying to educate the people of this country because I do think it is a problem nationally and for the same reasons you mentioned about other countries. I know that there are a lot of people here that feel they are doing gods work by making as many babies as they can and letting God sort out the details.
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Maybe Oprah is on to something with the girls school in Africa.
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