Democracy is the Road to Socialism »
Posted By RedRiverJ 8 months, 1 week ago in NewsKhrushchev knew, and so did men like Stalin, Lenin and Marx. It’s only the AVERAGE AMERICAN who was blind to what was happening to their nation by slow but steady process, or should I say, progress…society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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FTA-“I once said, - “Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” - and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you.” – Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev.
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Thomas Jefferson correctly warned against “democracy” as a form of self-governance, properly defining it as “nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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Once fully indoctrinated in entitlement mentality and taught to vote themselves access to the public trough, the proletariat could be counted upon to use their democratic power to install socialism, - (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
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ACORN? Unions? Promoting the cause and don't know it?
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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We know you people still misguidedly believe you can scare America into supporting more GOP failure but we're also still waiting for cons to tell us what approach they have that's superior or how they can guarantee that we don't get another Republican "socialist" like GW Bush. A question no con can answer is how Bush got re-elected after he was well into destroying our country with his wild spending spree. ;-P
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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We are a Republic not a Democracy..........it's something we keep forgetting.......
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http://judgeright.vox.com/library/post/disseminati...
"A republic madam, if you can keep it"
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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That's right. Seems to me some do not want to or have the ability to see the danger.
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FTA-Elected by College Kids...
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” – “Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.” - Vladimir Lenin
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memestryker8 months, 1 week ago
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The Democrats are the ones pushing their agenda now, and the Republicans also seem to buy into the idea of 51% get to call all the shots. That worries me, too. The Republic is being undercut by both parties with different key issues embedded in their rigid "platforms," which are really about mob rule.
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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"apparently with the Dems and Obama we can not."
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--How did the Dems and Obama cause you to lose power when you controlled all three branches of government as they do now? Since you were doing everything so perfectly, why are you in the minority now? ;-(
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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"In 1966, two socialist professors at Columbia University named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven published an article in The Nation that outlined how to manufacturer crises for socialist objectives.
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Cloward and Piven were inspired by Marxist organizer Saul Alinsky, who used community organizing in Chicago to bring about social change. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was mentored by Alinsky and learned political tactics from him.
Barack Hussein Obama worked for Alinsky-created groups in Chicago. He also learned Alinsky tactics.
Cloward and Piven proposed overloading the welfare system in order to create an economic crisis that would ultimately destroy our capitalist system.
They first targeted the welfare system and used the services of black activist George Wiley and his National Welfare Reform Organization (NWRO) to create economic chaos. New York City was targeted in the mid-1970s.
This tactic drove the city into bankruptcy in 1975.
Another group that used Cloward/Piven’s socialist tactics is ACORN, a group that Obama represented in Chicago.
ACORN has engaged in voter fraud and has pressured banks into giving risky loans.
Their goal has been two-fold: Overload the voter registration with fraudulent applications and undermine the banking system.
As attorney for ACORN, Obama helped put pressure on the federal government under Clinton to greatly expand the unsafe loans being handed out to low-income people.-
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maskdman8 months, 1 week ago
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Acorn, for your info, has to turn in all voter registration forms sent to them BY LAW. If it says mickey mouse as the voters name, they are still required to turn it in despite being an obvious fake. This prevents voter fraud happening the opposite way (not turning in voter registration cards that will not be favorable). STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS!!! Take a poli sci class so you at least understand what your complaining about.
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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"ACORN has engaged in voter fraud and has pressured banks into giving risky loans."
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--I bet you can't even define "voter fraud" Klarissa. You're peddling your usual lies and we already know you won't respond to posts with any facts to substantiate your lies. When will cons like you get off your backs, close your legs and start fighting for what you believe in in ways you truly can be proud of and not fear roasting in hell for eternity? If I were you I'd want to be able to tell my grandchildren that I didn't have to turn tricks for a tax cut or lie about "voter fraud" and "socialism" simply because I thought I had a shot at becoming the next Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter. I can't imagine you don't want the same thing for yourself. ;-( -
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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Well, since you don't seem inclined to engage in discussion, I'll continue this one-sided conversation.
The Richard Andrew Cloward you reference in your post, is also this one:
"Born in Rochester, New York, Cloward served as an ensign in the U.S. Navy in World War II from 1944 to 1946. He received a bachelor's degree from the University of Rochester in 1949, and then a master's degree from the Columbia University School of Social Work in 1950. He then served as a First Lieutenant in the U.S. Army from 1951 to 1954, and later worked as a social worker in an army prison in New Cumberland, Pennsylvania. Cloward became an assistant professor at Columbia's School of Social Work in 1954, and had visiting posts at the Hebrew University, the University of Amsterdam, the University of California, Santa Barbara and Arizona State University. He received a doctorate in sociology from Columbia University in 1958."
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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"In 1966, two socialist professors at Columbia University named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven published an article in The Nation that outlined how to manufacturer crises for socialist objectives.
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Cloward and Piven were inspired by Marxist organizer Saul Alinsky, who used community organizing in Chicago to bring about social change. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was mentored by Alinsky and learned political tactics from him.
Barack Hussein Obama worked for Alinsky-created groups in Chicago. He also learned Alinsky tactics.
Cloward and Piven proposed overloading the welfare system in order to create an economic crisis that would ultimately destroy our capitalist system.
They first targeted the welfare system and used the services of black activist George Wiley and his National Welfare Reform Organization (NWRO) to create economic chaos. New York City was targeted in the mid-1970s.
This tactic drove the city into bankruptcy in 1975.
Another group that used Cloward/Piven’s socialist tactics is ACORN, a group that Obama represented in Chicago.
ACORN has engaged in voter fraud and has pressured banks into giving risky loans.
Their goal has been two-fold: Overload the voter registration with fraudulent applications and undermine the banking system.
As attorney for ACORN, Obama helped put pressure on the federal government under Clinton to greatly expand the unsafe loans being handed out to low-income people.-
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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Who Knew? Press, Media, Education, Atheism would take the USA down the road to Socialism? Kick God out, infiltrate our education system with talent like Ward Churchill, our media reported by the likes of Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman.
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FTA-The leftist American press so wanted “change” that they turned their collective head from every reasonable query regarding a freshman senator with a blank résumé and a past so secret that he dare not even allow his birth or college records to become public. A man so surrounded by well-known evil doers, that the only thing on his résumé is a long list of ill-fated associations with terrorists, criminals and anti-American thugs.
Still, the American press went so far as to label this man a “messiah,” a savior… who would forever change our nation, righting all the wrongs of freedom and capitalism. Never in history has a more unqualified candidate sought the Oval Office. And this guy won… -
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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Proof? Documentation?
Your comment attempts to badmouth Cloward/Piven/Alinsky/Obama/ACORN by using words like: Marxist, Socialist.
So Cloward was anit-American? Piven? Alinsky?
The socialist goals they had were what?
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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To: Klarissa
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Well, since you don't seem inclined to engage in discussion, I'll continue this one-sided conversation.
The Richard Andrew Cloward you reference in your post, is also this one:
"Born in Rochester, New York, Cloward served as an ensign in the U.S. Navy in World War II from 1944 to 1946. He received a bachelor's degree from the University of Rochester in 1949, and then a master's degree from the Columbia University School of Social Work in 1950. He then served as a First Lieutenant in the U.S. Army from 1951 to 1954, and later worked as a social worker in an army prison in New Cumberland, Pennsylvania. Cloward became an assistant professor at Columbia's School of Social Work in 1954, and had visiting posts at the Hebrew University, the University of Amsterdam, the University of California, Santa Barbara and Arizona State University. He received a doctorate in sociology from Columbia University in 1958."
Typical liberal - served in WWII, then went back in when Korea called.
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CRYMTYPHON8 months, 1 week ago
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The article quotes the shared opinion of various dead dictators, that democracy is weak, is foolish, and must collapse.
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The article is strangely silent on why those hopes failed; the dictators went down, and democracy continued.
Democracy: or as the article calls it, mob rule .
The dirty unwashed making decisions for themselves,
instead of nature's natural leaders, - the towering CEO's and men of breeding.
Democracy:
Rule by the little people?
Rule by the average man?
Mob rule?
NO.
There are no little people.
There is no average American.
There is not a single citizen of this country that is by nature
part of a mob, unworthy by birth of their glorious inheritance of freedom.
We are Americans ; we have no natural leaders; and we are not sheep.
To know the power of every American voice, is to know the value of the stranger standing next to you as you sing the national anthem.
He is your fellow American,
- who may have foolish political views but is by-God contributing to a national strength of will which has toppled the statues of those who despised democracy for centuries now.
We do it each time we vote.
We aren't little people.
We aren't a mob.
We are the nation;
the flag is our symbol;
the vote is our voice;
the glorious voyage of democracy is our triumph.
"It’s only the average American who was blind to what was happening to their nation by slow but steady process".
Is that likely?
Do we Americans know ourselves less well than the dead failed tyrants quoted here?
Dare to believe as an American, that you know your country
better than those who hate it.
Especialy better than those who wrote this poison-pen letter to America.-
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nostalgia8 months, 1 week ago
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“When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.”
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k9kssr8 months, 1 week ago
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Stevie,
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I didn't get the impression from the article that Democracy is
"bad"....fragile maybe, but not "bad". I got the impression that some lazy, lamebrained fools do not appreciate living in a democracy and will corrupt democratic principles to make the government take care of them.
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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So now the danger is "Democracy" (51% voting for something) will lead to socialism? You mean, like in California, where so many people have commented that "Prop 8 passed with a majority of the votes, therefore no gay marriage".
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Does that make supporters of Prop 8 Socialists?
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But let's have a discussion. About half of the commentators above this comment say in their profiles, or have said in other comments, that they like to have conversations. So let's have a conversation.
Not a debate. Not a name-calling game.
Let's talk about Socialism.
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First, what is socialism?
Second, on a scale of 0-100 (0 is none and 100 is 100%), how much socialism would you want to see in America today?-
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GehlLady8 months, 1 week ago
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"Does that make supporters of Prop 8 Socialists?"
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Not as I understand socialism.
One thing I have learned reading these boards is that the definition of socialism is understood differently by many of us.
When I thought of socialism in the past, I remembered how my Grandfather railed against 'socialized medicine'. I thought of the government clinics that no one would go to as long as they had the resources to get better care.
Commodities, as in the butter, cheese, and powdered milk the poor could receive. Now, it's subsidies, where the government pays farmers not to farm? And the small farms are squeezed out?
I thought of welfare as socialism, but not so much social security as we paid into that fund, and withdrew according to our contributions. I used to think of it as more of a forced savings account.
Now, it all seems to be different, or I never understood it to begin with.
Now, a very general, simplistic, description for me would be:
As many as has income all pay into one 'pot', and a central government doles it out to everyone, regardless of contribution to said 'pot'., so that everyone has the same, equal share.
"on a scale of 0-100"
A civilized society has to have some. A productive, thriving society can not have a very high percentage. I don't believe I can quote a number, hmmmmmmmmm
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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I think I'm wide awake.
I think I've seen a lot going on in this country in the last four or five years that gives me hope that we can manage to keep it together for a few more years.
What aspects of this country do you perceive as falling (failing)?
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PS - You don't have to shout.
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honeybee518 months, 1 week ago
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Well, its about time someone stepped to the plate and put this into writing! The American people need to wake up before it is too late. The rights that our forefathers fought so hard for and to protect are being taken away right before our very eyes! This messiah that has come within our government is just as the Bible has said...the anti-christ. He has surfaced right here and is now beginning the turn around. Already he has split this great nation and turned the people against one another. People, he isn't done yet and there is not one person who will raise against him. He believes that "president" means "dictator".
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StevieGee8 months, 1 week ago
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Honeybee, specifically what rights are being taken away before your eyes by Obama? The only right I've lost was taken away by a 52% majority vote by Prop 8 in California. I'm not gay so it doesn't affect me but it does affect society in a negative way.
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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"People, he isn't done yet and there is not one person who will raise against him. He believes that "president" means "dictator".
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--I'm sorry but if Bush insists on trying to write that book, there's only so much we can do to convince him it's time to let go of the reins and move on. ;-( -
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obiefrommuskogee8 months, 1 week ago
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Oh honeybee. Your folks were in power for the last 8 years and were not able to accomplish much in the way of your cause. That's because this agenda was soundly trounced in the last election and reasonableness has returned. Your whole message about the "anti-christ" is nor reasonable, it's ridiculous. People are fed up with your type. You and your kind will never return to power in the US. Get used to the idea that, although you are allowed to voice your opinion in a free society, you are irrelevant.
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moongrim8 months, 1 week ago
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What a nutjob!
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If Democracy was the road to socialism then why did so many of them there Socialistic/Communist states get there by way of bloody revolutions?
And we're still Democrat/Republican.
No, what someone is doing here is whining. It's the end of the so called "free-market' capitalism that viewed workers in terms of how much they could be abused. The gravy train of war profiteering is over under the Bu$h administration, and all they can do is whine about it.-
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icono18 months, 1 week ago
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Comrade moongrim !!!!!!!
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I see that you have read and agree with K Marx about the exploitation of the proletariat by the war mongering bourgeois;" Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeois today,the proletariat is alone is a really revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of modern industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product." From, Manifesto of the Communist Party, Chapter 1; Bourgeouis and Proletarians. Karl Marx.
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GehlLady8 months, 1 week ago
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"The gravy train of war profiteering is over"
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No, I don't think so. As long as there is war, someone will profit. Obama is not stopping war, nor has he natioalized the companies that produce the tools of war.
" And we're still Democrat/Republican."
Some of us are disgusted with both, and are choosing another path.
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Wolfie20078 months, 1 week ago
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moongrim
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That's really an easy one, all we need to do is to restore the Republic. Did you know that in the original unamended Constitution there is only one office in the federal government where the holders are elected by popular vote? Do you know which office that is? -
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Endoscopy8 months, 1 week ago
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Another lie of the super left. This nation has been Christian since before it was founded. Yet all of a sudden you libs take up that stupid and silly idiocy of a theocracy. That rant is stupid at best when you look at the history of the country. But then stupid is as stupid does.
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tschrnywolf8 months, 1 week ago
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What saved AMERICA FROM COMMUNISM WAS DEMOCRATIC CAPITALISM. EISENHOWER, TRUMAN WERE AMONG THE RESCUERS. HERE, PUBLIC OPINION COUNTS A LOT IN WHAT SENATORS DO. "GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FROM THE PEOPLE." IT IS NOT SOCIALISM PER SE, ACTUALLY IT IS ITS FOE :) BUT CLAIMING DEMOCRACY IS COMMUNISM IS AN EXAGGERATION. ANOTHER JOKE BY THE JOKER RUSH LIMBAUGH. NO WONDER.
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tschrnywolf8 months, 1 week ago
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IN GUATEMALA, THE MARYKNOLLS MISSIONARIES JOINED THE MARXIST GUERRILLAS AND FOUNDED THE NEW LIBERATION THEOLOGY (A NEW CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY RELIGION) HOW COME THOSE MISSIONARIES WERE CERTIFIED RELIGIOUS PEOPLE? PLUS THE CHIEF OF THE FAR GUERRILLAS HAD ATTENDED THE JESUISTS FOR A WHILE.(?)
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fjgalt8 months, 1 week ago
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History shows that societies that were democracies fail, the first notable one being ancient Greece. Ancient Rome succeeded when they introduced the principles of Law and individual rights for its citizens and formed a Republic. After centuries, they failed when they rejected Law and Rights and instituted dictatorship.
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Our forefathers were learned in history, studied previous civilizations, rejected democracy and formed a Republic, patterned after pre-Emperor Rome.
Philosophically, Americans began adopting socialist ideology around 1900. Politically, the initial ideas began with Theordore Roosevelt, re-introduced by Woodrow Wilson, and implemented by Franklin Roosevelt. It was in the 1930s that democracy became the predominant social system in the U.S. and individual rights became subservient to the popular vote. The Republic was becoming a democracy.
It has been said that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. Both continue to push us down the road toward a fully socialist state. In the essentials, both parties seek to control the government to push their agendas, both use force against the citizens, both confiscate our property and the fruits of our labor, both wish to enslave us for their "noble" purposes. Obama continues and greatly expands on the Bush policies. Bush did the same with his predecessor. Arguing about the two parties is like arguing over whose team will win but the game remains the same.
The people needs to become educated about the basic principles upon which the United States were founded. Read the U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the pamphlets of Thomas Paine, books such as "Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal" by Ayn Rand, and so on.
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ForrestPhelps8 months, 1 week ago
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From Wikipedia:
"In the early 1950s, [Alan] Greenspan began an association with famed novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand that would last until her death in 1982.[15] He wrote for Rand’s newsletters and authored several essays in her book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal."
Since Greenspan is getting a lot of criticism in the current economic mess, what do you think of that - fair?
Secondly, you seem to dislike both Democrat and Republican - how would you go about changing from this two-party system, if that's your plan.
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donald518 months, 1 week ago
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Galt, did you forget that it was the robber barrons, carpetbaggers, and big industrialists who abused Americans for profit who brought on not only the the democracy movement you mention of the early 1900s, but also the great Depression? These same repugs who controlled the government from after Lincoln until the Great Depression, you fool!
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tschrnywolf8 months, 1 week ago
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IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY , THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN 1776, JEFFERSON AND LINCOLN, WE WOULD NOT BE FREE.
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WASHINGTON MADE SURE WE WOULD NOT TURN COMMUNIST. THE HORRORS OF THE FRENCH AND SOVIET REVOLUTIONS WERE SOMETHING OUR FOUNDERS DID THE BEST TO AVOID.
RATHER, THE GROUP THAT STEPS AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE THE NAZI ARMY DID, IS THE GOP. COMMUNISM RESEMBLES FASCISM AT THE BOTTOM. WHETHER MUSSOLINI EMBRACED A ROYAL-LIKE SYSTEM, STALIN,CASTRO, ET AL HAVE ALSO RULED LIKE MAXIMUM KINGS.
WE GOT NO KINGS HERE IN AMERICA, EVEN BUSH HAD TO BEG TO HAVE HIS BAILOUT PASSED. NO HEADS OF CONGRESSIONAL OPPONENTS ROLLED.
HAS LIMBAUGH LOST HIS HEAD FOR HIS WEIRD CLAIMS? NOPE
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tschrnywolf8 months, 1 week ago
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NEITHER COMMUNISM, NOR CAPITALISM ARE PERFECT SOLUTIONS. WE NEED A THIRD WAY. SOCIALISM IS TOO LEFTIST, OR TOO CONSERVATIVE, DEPENDING ON WHO JOINS IT. LIBERTARIANSM IS WORSE. WE AMERICANS ARE PASSING A HISTORICAL TRANSITION.
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RELIGION IS TOO RIGID AND NO SOLUTION, HUMAN KNOWLEDGE IS NOT PERFECT. PERHAPS BY 24 CENTURY, MANKIND WILL KNOW MORE (IF IT DOES NOT DESTROY ITSELF BY THAT TIME)RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL TOO IGNORANT, PLUS THE SUPERSTITIONS STILL DRAG US BACKWARDS AND IMPEDE OUR PROGRESS. -
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tschrnywolf8 months, 1 week ago
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NEITHER COMMUNISM, NOR CAPITALISM ARE PERFECT SOLUTIONS. WE NEED A THIRD WAY. SOCIALISM IS TOO LEFTIST, OR TOO CONSERVATIVE, DEPENDING ON WHO JOINS IT. LIBERTARIANSM IS WORSE. WE AMERICANS ARE PASSING A HISTORICAL TRANSITION.
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RELIGION IS TOO RIGID AND NO SOLUTION, HUMAN KNOWLEDGE IS NOT PERFECT. PERHAPS BY 24 CENTURY, MANKIND WILL KNOW MORE (IF IT DOES NOT DESTROY ITSELF BY THAT TIME)RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL TOO IGNORANT, PLUS THE SUPERSTITIONS STILL DRAG US BACKWARDS AND IMPEDE OUR PROGRESS.
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