IDF ceased long ago being 'most moral army in the world' - Haaretz - Israel News »
Posted By dissent 9 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsWhat shock, what consternation. Haaretz revealed grave accounts by officers and soldiers describing the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians during the war in Gaza. The Israel Defense Forces Spokesman was quick to respond that the IDF had no prior or supporting information about the events in question, the defense minister was quick to respond that "the IDF is the most moral army in the world," and the military advocate general said the IDF would investigate.
All these propagandistic and ridiculous responses are meant not only to deceive the public, but also to offer shameless lies. The IDF knew very well what its soldiers did in Gaza. It has long ceased to be the most moral army in the world. Far from it - it will not seriously investigate anything.
The testimonies from the graduates of the Oranim pre-military course were a bolt from the blue - accounts of soldiers butchering a woman and two of her children, shooting and killing an elderly Palestinian woman, how they felt when they murdered in cold blood, how they destroyed property and how there was not even fighting in this war that was not a war.
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But this is neither a bolt nor blue skies. Everything has long been known by those who wanted to know, those who, for example, read Amira Hass's dispatches from Gaza in this paper. Everything started long before the assault on Gaza.
The soldiers' transgressions are an inevitable result of the orders given during this brutal operation, and they are the natural continuation of the last nine years, when soldiers killed nearly 5,000 Palestinians, at least half of them innocent civilians, nearly 1,000 of them children and teenagers.
Everything the soldiers described from Gaza, everything, occurred during these blood-soaked years as if they were routine events. It was the context, not the principle, that was different. An army whose armored corps has yet to encounter an enemy tank and whose pilots have yet to face an enemy combat jet in 36 years has been trained to think that the only function of a tank is to crush civilian cars and that a pilot's job is to bomb residential neighborhoods.
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we live in a culture of war.
let's make it a culture of peace.
"my country is the world. and my religion is to ...
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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"An army whose armored corps has yet to encounter an enemy tank and whose pilots have yet to face an enemy combat jet in 36 years has been trained to think that the only function of a tank is to crush civilian cars and that a pilot's job is to bomb residential neighborhoods."-
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engineer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ha'aretz is anti-Israel for the most part and does not go with the main stream Israeli News. It misrepresents the truth for its own purposes whatever they are. the Jerusalem Post represents the truth much more. The Hassidim who live in Israel are Anti-Israeli even hough they represent a small fraction of the population. It's like saying that drug dealers are representative of Americans. Try the Jerusalem Post and learn. The National Enquirer or equivalent in the US is about the same as Ha'aretz
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Endoscopy9 months, 2 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Foolish person.
From the web site that talks about Muslim terrorists.
www.prophetofdoom.net
The timeline of terrorists pages. The following is why the Muslims no longer attack Israel directly.
The War of Independence in 1948: Israel, still unpacking its moving boxes, lost 6,373 people, or approximately one percent of its population, when the surrounding Islamic nations elected to sweep the Jews into the sea rather than live next to them. About one third of these losses were civilians. The exact number of Islamic casualties is hard to find, since Muslims have such a propensity for exaggeration and since they have little regard for human life. But it is estimated that 12,000 Islamic military and mujahideen forces died trying to stop Israel from becoming a nation. After the war, Israel, having beaten the Muslims so decisively, was able to define its own borders. What's interesting here is that the Islamic fiefdoms which attacked Israel had well established militaries and Israel had no government, no currency, no army, no air force, virtually no weapons, and no common language - and yet they won. Was Allah not Akbar, the Greatest, or did Islam cause Muslims to fail?
The Sinai War of 1956: Israel lost 177 soldiers and took the entire Sinai Peninsula from the aggressor. Egypt lost about 3,000 soldiers, had 5,000 wounded, and another 6,000 taken prisoner. Unfortunately, Israel entrusted the Sinai to UN Peacekeepers, who simply stepped out of the way when Egypt violated the peace accord less than a decade later. The UN's credibility was the biggest casualty of this conflict.
The Six-Day War in 1967: Egypt's Nasser galvanized Islamic resolve against Israel and threatened an allied assault that would push every Jew into the sea. It didn't work out as he had planned. Israel lost 338 soldiers on the Egyptian front, 300 on the Jordanian front, and 141 on the Syrian front. Egypt, however, lost 80% of its military equipment, 10,000 soldiers and 1,500 officers killed, 5,000 soldiers and 500 officers captured, and 20,000 troops wounded. Jordan suffered 7,000 killed and around 16,000 wounded. Syria lost 2,500 dead and 5,000 wounded. The Syrians lost half of their tanks and almost all the artillery they had positioned on the Golan Heights. The official count of Iraqi casualties was 10 killed and about thirty wounded. It was the most lopsided battle in history, eclipsing the bravado of the Spartans at Thermopylae. (In 480 BCE, 300 Spartan troops killed 6,000 of King Xerxes Persian soldiers and held off 150,000 more.) Had it not been for American demands against Israel, Jews would have captured Cairo, Damascus, and Amman and would have controlled all of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. -
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Endoscopy9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The War of Attrition in 1968-70: During the Fedayeen War, 367 Israeli soldiers were killed and over three thousand were wounded by Islamic jihadists. There were no published casualty figures on the Egyptian side since that would only serve to highlight how Islamic countries use their own people as if they were ammunition. However, it is estimated that 10,000 Egyptian Fedayeen jihadists died.
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Yom Kippur War of 1973: Muslims, led by Egypt and Syria, and backed and financed by Iraqi, Iranian, and Saudi Arabian OPEC petro-dollars, launched a joint surprise attack on Israel on their most important religious day, Yom Kippur, simultaneously invading the Sinai and Golan Heights with Soviet planes, tanks, and armor. Also known as the Ramadan War, it represented the forth major Islamic attack on Israel since the nation was reestablished in 1948. Out equipped and out numbered 100 to 1, Israel won - stunning and angering Muslims the world over.
Israel was caught by surprise and suffered 2,300 dead, 5,500 wounded, and 294 prisoners - almost all of which were suffered in the first two days. The Egyptians lost 12,000 dead, 35,000 wounded, and 8,400 prisoners. Syria lost 3,000 dead, 5,600 wounded, and over 400 prisoners, of whom about 20 were Iraqis and Moroccans. Israel, which was overwhelmingly out numbered and out equipped, as well as being caught flat-footed, retrieved and repaired a large number of its own tanks as well as hundreds of Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers that had been abandoned by fleeing Muslims. With them, they fought on and regained the ground that they had initially surrendered.
On the first day, Israel lost 105 airplanes and 5 helicopters, a third of its combat strength, to the Russian SAM missile batteries. Egyptians lost 235 airplanes and 42 helicopters, while the Syrians lost 135 airplanes and 13 helicopters. Most of the Muslim losses occurred in dogfights in which the Jews were overwhelmingly better pilots. When jubilant jihadists overran their Russian SAM missile protection, the war turned and 51 unprotected Egyptian and 12 Syrian SAM missile batteries were destroyed. Israel lost one anti-aircraft gun. The Israeli navy incurred no losses, sinking seven Egyptian and five Syrian missile boats, four Egyptian torpedo boats, and several coastal defense vessels.
Israel had won a clear victory against Syria, conquering considerable territory beyond the ceasefire lines of 1967 and advancing to within about 20 miles of Damascus. In the Sinai, the Egyptians were clinging to the east side of the canal, but the Israelis had surrounded their Third Army and had successfully advanced to within a few miles of Cairo. Once again, had the United States not compelled Israel to withdraw, they would have conquered Egypt and Syria.
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engineer9 months, 2 weeks ago
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This link will help you
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Societ...-
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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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engineer, this is a propaganda site. let's just stick with the news and whatever facts we can glean from it as it unfolds, shall we?
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take a step back from your indoctrination for a moment and view things from a less fanatically nationalistic and a more universal humanistic perspective if you can -
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Thinker229 months, 2 weeks ago
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>"Change will not come without a major change in mindset. Until we recognize the Palestinians as human beings, just as we are, nothing will change."
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Consider it done, Candida. If Israelis DID NOT recognize the Palestinians as human beings, just as they were, they would not invest billions in Palestinian education, infrastructure, jobs and businesses.
If Israelis DID NOT recognize the Palestinians as human beings, just as they were, they would not make them one peace offer after another.
If Israelis DID NOT recognize the Palestinians as human beings, just as they were, there would be no Palestinians left alive... just like there are no Jews alive in Gaza, Ramallah or Jenin.
Do you know why there are no Jews alive in Gaza, Ramallah or Jenin? Because the Palestinians DO NOT recognize Jews as human beings, just as they are.
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Thinker229 months, 2 weeks ago
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The problem with this article (and with many other similar ones) is that it expects Israel to have the "most moral" military in the world but does not expect ANY morality from Hamas and other terrorist organizations who deliberately attack Israeli civilians while using their own women and children as shields.
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It was possible for the Israeli military to be the "most moral" one when it was fighting Arab militaries which had at least some moral values. Terrorists do not have any moral values at all. Neither Israel nor any other state or military has the magic weapons able to hit the bad guys only. This means that the Israelis have a choice: risk harming Palestinian human shields while fighting the terrorists among them or allow the terrorists to murder Israelis at will. -
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Mutainia9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I take it Israel would be seen as a moral army if it fired back willy nilly with rockets and mortars into Palestinian territory like Palestinian Muslims have been doing to Israeli neighborhoods? I mean Muhammadans never seem to think shooting off rockets and mortars willy nilly into Israeli nieghborhoods is wrong, even when it's from territory Israel traded with them in the hopes of achieving peace.
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dissent9 months, 2 weeks ago
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this bears repeating
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"An army whose armored corps has yet to encounter an enemy tank and whose pilots have yet to face an enemy combat jet in 36 years has been trained to think that the only function of a tank is to crush civilian cars and that a pilot's job is to bomb residential neighborhoods."
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Daylight9 months, 2 weeks ago
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To have a moral army the people who came to steal and occupy others land have to be moral. The state of Israel itself is immoral and criminal in nature. How could anyone expect its forces to be moral? The countries that support Israel are immoral too.
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