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Posted By greenmac 9 months, 2 weeks ago in Political NewsIf you're anything like me, you're probably tired of the words liberal and conservative. Do these terms encompass who we are? Not entirely.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yep, I'm tired of being called a liberal alright.
At least what the conservatives of today call a liberal.
To me a liberal sees freedom as the most important issue in a persons life. Not the freedom to harm others, or the freedom to destroy what is important in life. Ones family, our country, our ability to think for ourselves and make decisions based on our beliefs, not the beliefs of the few or the many. The freedom of speech in order to assure that different viewpoints are heard. Whether I agree with them or not is my own personal freedom.
Freedom of religion, does not mean freedom from religion. It means each individual is allowed to choose freely how they will worship or if they will worship. It does not mean the government can tell me or my children that I cannot pray in school if I choose, nor does it mean the government can force a non believer to pray if the choose not to.
The far right and left have lost any relevance to me. For both seem out to gain wealth at the cost of freedom and decency.
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greenmac9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hi there CB... thanks for your input. I agree we all are liberal and conservative in our beliefs. The subject matter is what determines our actions or beliefs. We waste so much effort in putting people in boxes then placing a label on that box. It boils down to acceptance of the fact we are all different in different ways.
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tadair9199 months, 2 weeks ago
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The invention of the "Democrat" and "Republican" labels were probably one of the most pernicious and counter-productive things we have ever done to ourselves.
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It allows our government to skirt the issues by blaming the other team. It divides our nation in half where we otherwise would have seen that we were on the same team.
Watch this video for a good description of the problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTahZE4q90U
This article ends nicely: "Only [by] being honest with themselves -- and tuning out college professors and the mainstream media -- will people learn who they really are and thus live an honest life."-
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DenCuddy9 months, 2 weeks ago
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So Tadair, you infer that by being ignorant of the issues people will be better, boy you are a republican aren't you. Never question republicans, but blame the dems for all of Bush's screw ups. In my opinion, by being independant and educated on the issues, you then see the fallacy of both sides.
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frctm59 months, 2 weeks ago
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Labels and generalizations are imperfect but they are also useful. A preponderance of belief is what determines whether we may call ourselves liberals or conservatives but these are not the only descriptions or possibilities available. Many people freely accept these labels and some with pride. I think what most people object to is having labels imposed upon them based upon a limited expression of their views. Many of us accept some of the tenets of liberal or conservative orthodoxy but feel free to exercise our discretion and will not fully accept the merits of any position as if it were a fact chiseled in stone. I have always believe that our first duty should always be to the truth. Maturity requires acceptance of truths that are proven and contrary to our sacred assumptions. Critical thinking and objectivity demand this kind of openness. However, at the basis of many political ideas are underlying assumptions that are not so easily moved. If, for example, you believe that a fertilized embryo has a soul, no amount of reasoning regarding sentience, development of a brain stem, or life saving research would cause you to forfeit your position that destroying these to help others is justified.
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lvrofwolves9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm liberal on some issues and conservative on others. Anyone is free to call me what they want, but don't expect me to live or think inside those lines. Bottom line,I believe in the constitution, equal rights for ALL citizens of our country.
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I think there are those who have accepted a label, and that's their choice..but there are some who try and live up to that label so much that they disregard their own beliefs, maybe some find it easier to let others think for them, to me..that's giving up a freedom.
I do not think it's right to mix politics and religion, but..for some I can't see how it would be possible to split that up, so I understand, but that in no way means that should be anything other then personal. -
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calitennflo9 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The straight and narrow way", you see the extreme right and left...it's the middle we exist in...physics, logic proves...there's up and down, but we are in the middle. You look at what is right in front of your nose...you will notice the twist of the eight (8) when you look at the numeral eight (8) you see the middle and your eyes prove the middle...time runs by this method, as every time the Earth revolves around the Sun...we trace an (8), then an adjoined additional (8)...time is witnessed at a faster rate near the middle of the eight...and slows down as you move away toward the top or bottom.
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It's simply like riding a bike...and seeing what is before your eyes.
We relatively exist in the middle, and that's why we have a nose. lol but do not get lost in that thought...its the oblisque! very perplexed.
Maybe sometime I will share this in more depth...as you can model time, and it is useful in things like spheres and objects that move. We exist here in the here-after...in the underworld, under the Sun. It's impossible top look at anything any other way. You can actually explain why you do not see behind your head...lol, but from within.
Hint...look at the 8 the right side bottom half represents a positive interger...the left bottom half the negative...the top right the negative mirrored and the top left the positive mirrored. A number line -1 0 +1 plus +1 0 -1 both ends are infinitive yet bend to meet and form two circles or the 8.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 2 weeks ago
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It just seems to me that the more we say we don't want extremes. The more extremes we get.
Now I remember the 60's as being pretty radical politically and socially.
But in comparison the times now are so much more charged, and yet it doesn't see to be grabbing the headlines like before.
I mean what Bush did in office would have been impeachable offenses back in the 60's and 70's.
But we have grown so accustomed to poor government and bad behavior by those in office that we no longer take the actions required to straighten out the situation.
Now that is not about liberal or conservative labels, that is about just not caring enough to do the right thing by either party.-
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greenmac9 months, 2 weeks ago
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Taking to the streets does not seem to be the way to go today. It is all about words and blogs.Since there are so many items to attack via this medium we become fractured... divide and conquer is the suicidal methodology we are using against ourselves. As well we seem to have so many fronts all at once. We should focus on domestic stability before worrying about anything outside our borders. What use is it to worry about actions taking place on the other side of the world that may effect us down the road, if we are crumbling from within.
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StevieGee9 months, 2 weeks ago
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chevydog9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I guess I really don't know what the L and C words are. But I do believe that any meaning to them extends no further than domestic policy.
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As I see it, the C has a fixation on the power of self. You are what you make yourself. And if something bad happens to you, it's most likely that you could have/should have done something to prevent it. The only things that government is good for are those that we cannot do individually, which are darned few.
The L definitely believes in free will. But he/she also believes that there are forces out there that can overpower this will and push us almost inevitably in "bad" directions. The value of government is in controlling these outside forces so that our free will is given maximum latitude.
I doubt that you ever see pure strains of either L or C. But there are gradations from one end of the spectrum to the other. Combine this with say traditionalists vs. "new is good" types and /or several other dichotomies and you have an infinite variety of thought. -
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Mikunited9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The USA see liberals on the left and conservatives on the right.Here in Europe, these generalizations are a little different.It's conservatives to the right,liberals to the center and social democrats/socialists to the left.These terms are losing their meanings just the same though.The UK Labor party,under Tony Blair, was meant to be a social democratic party on the center-left.However in truth,his administration had many conservative traits.His posturing as George W Bush's lap dog and addiction to free market economics.His refusal to overturn Thatcher's "trade union",straight-jacket reforms,etc.Yet in other ways he did use some socially democratic legislation.He was the first UK Prime Minister to bring in a minimum wage,poor pensioners and poor parents,were given income guarantees,whether they were on welfare,or low paid jobs,he doubled the investment into the National health system.What I'm trying to say is,"in the modern World,terms like left and right,however they are defined,have become redundant".
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I can't understand how this blogger can say the American "far-left" has a disproportionately loud voice.Then again I'm stunned that some Americans think President Obama is of the far left.By European standards he is moderately just to the left of center.Though as I have already said,in the modern World,these terms are broadly redundant.People express a mixture of views and with the ever changing circumstances,the best we can work for,is a system that works for the "general good".At this moment we need some tectonic shifts,to get our system to reflect this. -
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Hallucinations9 months, 2 weeks ago
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We need to speak out what we believe in. Not the celebrities or poiticians or the media. Our voice is the most important or at least that's what I beieve to be true. I signed my name on a Marijuana supporter about a week ago and all of that stuff is going directly to the President. I think more stuff like that is needed for Americans like ourselves. Legalize marajuana with thousands of signatures is going to the President. Do you guys think that this is a good way to do this on what we all believe as Americans? Please Comment?
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automan9099 months, 2 weeks ago
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ForrestPhelps9 months, 2 weeks ago
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I try not to be rude or offensive, but I think you're asking for it.
I agree with your summation. The preceding comments are abundantly "simple", as in simple-minded.
Let me know if you'd ever like to discuss an issue. I look forward to it.
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CRYMTYPHON9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The liberal overuse of the word 'conservative' is balanced by the conservation of the libel of 'liberal' labels, in the conserving of the liberties of all liberals,
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thus enhancing the conservative's natural liberal tendencies but liberating the liberal's unnatural conservative reaction.
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THOMNH629 months, 2 weeks ago
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we are a nation governed by a constitution , which the left wishes was a work in progress so they could manipulate it for their desires. The right on the other hand is guilty of sliding around behind everyone and intruding into your rights with out much notice. Which is the worst is open for discussion however what is not is the constitution which governs us all. I would like to see a candidate that understands that and is not in it for the book royalties and the rock star feeling they get. Anyone got any ideas for the future as to who may fit the bill.
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CRYMTYPHON9 months, 2 weeks ago
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No.
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Democrats are Americans who pay attention to the needs of their country and
have a consistent philosophy to achieve their goals.
Republicans are Americans who pay attention to the needs of their country and
have a consistent philosophy to achieve their goals.
Neither always achieves the goals; neither always is right; neither is always honest.
But they are the people on the field, trying.
Those who sneer at both sides,
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Albmore9 months, 2 weeks ago
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The terms cons and libs have been a tool of divide and conquer from both parties.These plans put in effect by no other than the representatives on both sides ´to gain power. BUT we must face the facts.
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There is a major divide in OUR country and each side usually clings to one of these sides when it omes to certians issues.
I believe the divide is stronger today because the issues are stronger today. The begin was the veitnam war.In world WWII we were united in the fight against Nazi Germany. Not so in Veitnam.Then you have the issue of abortion. Definetly a divide. Prayer in school and such matters that were status quo are now challenge and in many cases removed.This ofcourse draws those who believe in these issues to one side or the other. We should not kid ourselves on which side takes which stance.
Major issues, Major views.It is very easy to label us now of days. I agree though that most of us are both libs and cons depending on the issue. -
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