U.S. Cardinal Denounces Notre Dame's Obama Invite »
Posted By Spadecaller 7 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsCardinal Daniel DiNardo has become the first American cardinal to denounce the University of Notre Dame for inviting Democratic President Barack Obama as its commencement speaker in May and to receive an honorary degree. The Catholic Church willingly accepts Nazi-sympathizers and does not mind enabling pedophiles, but inviting a black liberal democrat president to speak at Norte Dame… now that’s a different story!
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
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At some point, the leadership of the Catholic Church needs to decide what business they want to be in. The church leadership has enabled pedophiles, and they're currently embracing a Holocaust revisionist, but the LA Times reports that they draw the line at inviting the President of the United States to a graduation ceremony.
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They look ridiculous. Why don't they just admit that they're Republicans? They serve conservative politics, not the Lord. Their business is not so much concerned with saving the soul but preaching the gospel of right wing politics.-
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Dionys7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"They look ridiculous. Why don't they just admit that they're Republicans? They serve conservative politics, not the Lord. "
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Because their base isn't Republicans, nor does the majority of the Catholic base feel the same way as the Pope. The Catholic Church isn't monolithic. -
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memestryker7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Although the Republicans have been hi-jacked by the right, I don't think a majority of them are right wing across the board. So while I agree that the new Pope is a right-wing extremist, I don't think that characterizing the church as "republican" fits.
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engineer7 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Church is really hurting itself. They are completely reactionary. They support a known Holcaust revisionist as you said which goes against all knowledge and morals. The excommunicated a nine year old girl and her family for having an abortion after being raped by her stepfather. the Church calls itself moral. Who's kidding who!
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I'm not knocking the Catholic religion, but its new leadership who won't live in today's world nor society.-
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toph19737 months, 3 weeks ago
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The excommunication of the 9 year old was truly despicable. I realize that the church would love to force people to live in their backwards world, with their backwards "morals," but this is not rational thinking.
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I really have zero tolerance for religion. we see every day how destructive it really is. The points that you referened above prove this. I'm not too sure how someone can be so completely brainwashed to be convinced that people that believe something different deserve to be killed. It's only religion that creates people like this. -
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Gransater7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I agree that the church is only hurting itself.
After reading several comments,you'd think that this thread would be about Southern Baptist's, rather than the Catholic Church. What I mean is that this has very rapidly descended into a left versus right discussion. In my experience, the Southern Baptist congregation consist's of a far higher percentage conservatives, by the shear fact of it's regional location, generally heavier in conservative minded demographics.
The Catholic Church, has for a long time, years actually, been loosing followers in most parts of the world, precisely due to its refusal to consider human evolution in thinking. The more it looses followers, the more rigid in its original thinking doctrine it becomes. It can forgive certain things, turn a blind eye to it as it were, untill the light is shined upon it, but it will never be able to turn a blind eye to what is considers murder.
They are afraid of doctrine revision because in doing so, they think they will lose their flock. Personally, I believe they would gain a huge uptick in following they can only dream about nowdays. They are literaly frightened to death about loosing their power over the flock they currently have. And this is what it is all about. This isn't about left or right politics, its about power over people. Because of this, they are locked into what stance they have to take on several issues, even if a large percentage of the clergy silently disagrees. At the very least, I'd like to see the Catholic Church quietly purging their ranks of the many undesirables that have infiltrated their ranks, and at the least not commenting on some things, just for the sake of making a splash.
As for the school letting the President give the commencement speach, I think it's their public way of demonstrating a certain responsibility and awareness of current times. I hope they aren't forced to make a very public turn around. Brave and responsible people they are. I tip my doff in respect to them.
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Charlson7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Continually marginalizing themselves, the Catholic church is only hurting itself. Wouldn't it be prudent and wise to preach to the people and stay out of politics? This only reenforces the public's attitude that the leadership of the Catholic Church is out of touch to the real needs of it's flock.
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RedRiverJ7 months, 3 weeks ago
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The church the needs to make their convictions clear and stand by them.
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I admire them for standing up in this instance but can't understand the church's soft stance with the pedophile scandal a few years ago.
Giving the pedophiles a pass is wrong period.
IMHO the Pope wants a firm stand on abortion. Fine, stand firm.
What I don't understand is why he hasn't made as firm a stand with his own Priests?
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Locky's comments are not surprising nor is the Church's history of political affiliation.
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The last big political blunder that the Catholic Church made was by its silence during the rise of Nazism, its silence during the holocaust -- not to mention the German Cardinals, Bishops, and clergy who supported Hitler openly.
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Dionys7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"German Cardinals, Bishops, and clergy who supported Hitler openly."
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So that their priests could work against Hitler quietly. It's called plausible denial. When Catholic priests got caught helping Jews and others escape or hide, the Church could say "we didn't know anything about it. We support you..." all while telling their priests to act against Hitler's regime.
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fsev417 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey Locky! You're to the Catholic church like the 20% that stuck with Bush, a dinosaur. My four siblings and I were raised Catholic from first grade through college. Four of us are no longer practicing Catholics, and the fifth has some significant differences with the Church's stance on a number of issues. I guess our good Catholic educations gave us critical thinking skills that eventually led us away from the Church. You and your Church need to come out of the dark ages and join the reality of the modern world.
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Dionys7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"the fifth has some significant differences with the Church's stance on a number of issues. "
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This is true of a majority of Catholics.
" our good Catholic educations gave us critical thinking skills"
The Catholic Church, through the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) is pretty much responsible for ALL education, public and private, now being common to the masses.
"You and your Church need to come out of the dark ages and join the reality of the modern world."
Considering that in a large number of countries, the Catholic Church stands up for social justice, peacemaking and liberation theology, the reality is that the Catholic Church is not a monolithic structure where the Pope represents everyone within the Church, lay or ordained. Though I will grant you the current Pope is rolling back progress a few hundred years. -
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ppiittuu7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I guess our good Catholic educations gave us critical thinking skills..."
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well, lesse:
you wrote a paragraph that delivers a reasonably clear message. sentence structure is above average with some participial phrases thrown in for good measure. capitalization, punctuation, sentence length are all good, and the last sentence ties in nicely with your introductory sentence. so, in summary not too bad. all of this stuff makes it clear you have the skills needed to deliver a message.
now, the CONTENT of the message is quite another thing....
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antibrainwasher7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Every sperm is sacred.
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Jesus was a right wing conservative, who worshipped the military and the facist right wing dictators in political power.
Protect the fetus, kill the children, that was Jesus stand. Jesus hated gays, Jesus was racist, Jesus did well in the stock market, Jesus was republican, Jesus was rich.
Rush Limbaugh, the leader of the Republican party, is the Second coming of Jesus. Long live the baby jew god.
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Spadecaller7 months, 3 weeks ago
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There were courageous Catholic priests who risked and sacrificed to save Jews, while there were also many Catholic clergy who openly supported Hitler. But the Catholic Church's track record regarding its involvement in politics has not been good.
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In March 1998, the Vatican released its long awaited statement on the Holocaust. It was titled, We Remember: Reflections on the Shoah, this document, reflects the Vatican's version of the long and turbulent history of Christians and Jews.
The Vatican finally took some responsibility but as most of us who are aware of history, there were examples of bravery, complicity, as well as Antisemitism among the clergy during Hitler's third Reich.
Unfortunaley, the current Pope lacks the wisdom and the conviction to lead the clergy from involving itself with political issues and parties. To the contrary, the current Pope has turned back the clock on much of the progress that had been made between Jews and Christians.
The failure of the church to separate itself from political controversy has undermined its ability to act non judgmentally and for the good of all its followers.
To disparage the teaching of Christ in the name of politics and Church ideology invites the kind of comments like antibrainwasher, who has lost all perspective and respect for Catholic's right to believe.
Though I disagree with the actions of this Cardinal and those that feel they have the right to determine what everyone else should believe, I do not feel the need to bash those that live by the principles of peace and love -- regardless if they call it the Catholic God or the Jewish God does not matter to me. -
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Albmore7 months, 3 weeks ago
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First before you throw out your neg. I am NOT Catholic. I do believe though that anyone who is suppose to be representing the Christian faith ( and many will say Catholics do not) is suppose to uphold bible teachings. Ì also understand many do not believe in this and in my eyes this is their God given right and constitutional right. This is though a Catholic college. Being so they should represent the teachings of the Catholic church. Those who disagree, welllthere are many of colleges in the US.
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"As far as the bishop or the president of the US."
Well I see it more as God or the president and I believe God has a much higher ranking.
Like I said those who dont have this view there is enough liberal teachings in many other colleges.-
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Dionys7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I do believe though that anyone who is suppose to be representing the Christian faith ( and many will say Catholics do not) "
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I forget..
Was it the Protestant Church that kept Christianity alive in the first few centuries (and beyond) after Christ's death?
You're right, though. There are many jackass, poorly educated Protestant self-proclaimed 'evangelicals' who can barely work through a Bible passage in English that think Catholics are not Christians.
Yes -- Christians are supposed to uphold Biblical teachings and the example and words of Christ. Unfortunately many people believe those teachings to be what their preacher tells them, or to be some loose interpretation of scripture as translated into English through the lens of a person living in a 21st century low-context, individualistic, universalist society.
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billandl7 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Catholic Church has not tried to distance itselffrom the following who have commutted acts that they say they are against
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1.Governors and Presidents who have carried out executions on prison inmates
2. Presidents who have waged wars that have been criticized by the Church
In these instances the direct action of the Governor/ President has immediately resulted in death. Regardless of whether someone is prochoice or not there is at least serious inconsistency here -
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